Uncle Ben's Rice...

wesw · Post by **wesw** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:50 pm

econo, I spent most of my life as a left wing kind of guy.

reality caused me to abandon the left, today s lefties aren t the same as yesterday s lefties anyway.

I was never a dem. (and im not a repub now), but I certainly leaned left from teenhood to a few years ago.

when I was a young man I even seriously considered putting sand in the crankcases of millions of dollars worth of land clearing equipment when a favorite forest was being cut. I refrained because I just couldn t justify it in my own mind, not because I was scared. it would have been easy.

wesw · Post by **wesw** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:54 pm

well, I ve never espoused any of the crackpot theories that sue attributed to me in her second to the last paragraph of her earlier tirade....

wesw · Post by **wesw** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:56 pm

MajGenl.Meade · Post by **MajGenl.Meade** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:05 pm

I have some doubt over the veracity of 1500 gun homicides per month. But what on earth is the point of arguing about the number of firearm homicides per month, wesw? If it's 1500 per month now or some smaller number, it is still as disgusting as Sue and others say it is. Just two years ago it was almost 1000 per month:

CDC http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
All homicides
•Number of deaths: 16,121
•Deaths per 100,000 population: 5.1

Firearm homicides
•Number of deaths: 11,208
•Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.5
Source: Deaths: Final Data for 2013, table 18

That 11,000 seems to be a number that's held true in the past.

There are roughly 32,000 gun deaths per year in the United States. Of those, around 60% are suicides. About 3% are accidental deaths (between 700-800 deaths). About 34% of deaths (just over 11,000 in both 2010 and 2011) make up the remainder of gun deaths and are classified as homicides.

http://usconservatives.about.com/od/cap ... ective.htm

Whether it's 1000 or 1500 per month, a quantitative quibble, it's got nothing to do with the qualitative argument for gun control. Things descend rapidly to ad hominem if the disparity (rather than the awful fact) becomes the area of concentration.

Is it not possible to produce facts rather than farts?

wesw · Post by **wesw** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:16 pm

hey, I m not the one who has been throwing stats around.....

stats like polls, are too easily manipulated to have much credence in today s world.

both sides manipulate them.

I try to stick to ideas for solutions to obvious problems.

gang, drug, and cartel murders are rampant in America. the border is insecure, exacerbating and fueling these problems.

we are a huge sanctuary city for the vicious, for the manipulating, for the criminally insane, and we had better fix it.

Crackpot · Post by **Crackpot** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:28 pm

Yeah you've just been tossing around bullshit.

wesw · Post by **wesw** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:34 pm

oh, now you are smearing me with bullshit?

why buy the cow when you get the bullshit for free?

what s the difference between wes and a bucket of bullshit? the bucket....

rubato · Post by **rubato** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:18 pm

Re: Uncle Ben's Rice...
Postby MajGenl.Meade » Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:42 pm
Again with the "stop Hitler from coming to power". You really are off on your own fantasy world as to what other people have written. Shame it's in writing or you might be believable.

Let's see - I wrote that armed people might have made it more difficult for the Germans.

. . . had guns been common in post-WW1 Germany, then the Jews (and gypsies and homos and Christians and....) may not have been so easy to round up . . . Whether it is a practical notion is not relevant - what's relevant is that it's neither novel nor outrageous.

Not novel nor outrageous, just completely wrong. It is a pure fantasy that a few guns would have made any difference. Whether it is a practical notion is exactly what we are discussing; unless you are admitting that it is a self-delusion?

The Germans had planned to liquidate the Warsaw ghetto in three days, but the ghetto fighters held out for more than a month. Even after the end of the uprising on May 16, 1943, individual Jews hiding out in the ruins of the ghetto continued to attack the patrols of the Germans and their auxiliaries. The Warsaw ghetto uprising was the largest, symbolically most important Jewish uprising, and the first urban uprising, in German-occupied Europe. The resistance in Warsaw inspired other uprisings in ghettos (e.g., Bialystok and Minsk) and killing centers (Treblinka and Sobibor).

May not have been so easy to round up vs. Germans planned for three days... took more than a month

From there, at least 254,000 Ghetto residents were sent to the Treblinka extermination camp over the course of two months in the summer of 1942.

I would prefer to use an actual rate rather than the fantasized time-table.

So the actual rate of extermination was 127,000 per month before and the last 60,000 took 1 month. Barely slowed down.

And if you were honest you would admit that it was not effective.

The Jews of Germany understood they were in peril in the 1930s,and more than half of them fled before 1938 and survived. If every one who fled had bought a gun instead then lthey would have died. The Jews of the countries which were occupied appear not to have understood this until it was too late.

yrs,
rubato

MajGenl.Meade · Post by **MajGenl.Meade** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:48 pm

So the speed at which the Germans were able to operate was reduced by over 50% between 1942 and 1943. Remarkably effective.

Isn't it odd how that demonstrates the exact truth of, "..may not have been so easy to round up".

In the interests of fairness, I agree it was careless to refer to "post WW1 Germany" as opposed to "post WW1 Europe"

dales · Post by **dales** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:21 pm

Sue U wrote:
dales wrote:I believe if the existing laws were enforced, that is the path I believe we should take.

More gun legislation is not the answer.

In California we have some of the strictest firearms laws in the nation, yet that does nothing if a criminal by his/her very nature has refused to follow them.
Even assuming you believe it, your post is pure nonsense because you directly contradict yourself: You think no legislation is needed because enforcing existing laws would be sufficient, but enforcement of existing laws is useless because criminals won't follow the law.

What do you propose?

wesw · Post by **wesw** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:32 pm

"enforcement of existing laws is useless because criminals won t follow the law"

now THAT is nonsense

you ve heard of a vicious circle? and of a circle jerk?

well, THAT is a vicious circle jerk

dales · Post by **dales** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:52 pm

Meanwhile, let's see how Australia's firearms confiscation program has worked, shall we?

http://freebeacon.com/issues/australian ... fiscation/

November 13, 2015 4:27 pm

An Australian senator criticized Hillary Clinton’s recent comments supporting the island nation’s 1996 gun ban and mandatory buyback program.

In an interview with Ginny Simone of NRA News Senator David Leyonhjelm said Hillary Clinton advocating an Australian-style gun control system in the United States was horrifying and “It’s not something that any country should contemplate, completely disarming the population.”

“I was a bit horrified by that,” Leyonhjelm told NRA News in response to Clinton’s comments. “I don’t think Australia is a model for the United States on gun control at all.”

He said the country’s strict gun control did not lessen crime but instead they saw an increase. He said the mandatory gun buyback program made citizens less safe. “It also removed the right to own a gun in any state in Australia for self-defense. We are a nation of victims,” Leyonhjelm told the publication. “You cannot own a gun for self-defense.”

“It doesn’t matter what the circumstances. It doesn’t matter how big the threat. You cannot defend yourself.”

He also said the black market for illegal guns is as big as it has ever been. “There’s a very vigorous black market for guns,” Leyonhjelm said. “So, it’s really not made the slightest difference.”

A recent report shows that gun crime is on the rise in the country.

The exchange Leyonhjelm objected to took place on October 16 at a New Hampshire townhall event. “Recently, Australia managed to get away, or take away tens of thousands, millions of handguns,” a New Hampshire man asked Clinton. “In one year, they were all gone. Can we do that? If we can’t, why can’t we?”

“I think that’s worth considering,” Clinton said. “I do not know enough detail to tell you how we would do it, or how would it work, but certainly your example is worth looking at.”

Clinton’s campaign has since walked back her support for Australian-style mandatory buybacks but she continues to advocate for stricter gun control in the United States and is set to receive an award from a leading gun control group.

wesw · Post by **wesw** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:59 pm

but no one wants to take YOUR gun dales, just ask them....

anyone who thinks that is "delusional" and "paranoid"

our only hope is that Hillary is lying about wanting to explore Australia s gun control actions.

she lies about everything else , so...

Econoline · Post by **Econoline** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 5:50 am

wesw · Post by **wesw** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:57 am

like everything else, let someone else do it... Hillary!!!!!!

rubato · Post by **rubato** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:38 pm

MajGenl.Meade wrote:So the speed at which the Germans were able to operate was reduced by over 50% between 1942 and 1943. Remarkably effective.
... "

correction: I posted the maximum rate which was over those two months. So it was 1/2 of the maximum rate during the uprising. The rate over the four months before the uprising was -0-. So the rate went up a great deal.

yrs,
rubato

Crackpot · Post by **Crackpot** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:30 pm

My SIL just revealed to evtyo e on Facebook that she's a Ben Carson supporter I've lost tremendous amount of respect for her not only for her support for him but for choosing to display it in a bumper sticker. "Issue" bumper stickers have to be the worst idea possible because all they do is make sure that your shitty driving reflects poorly on the causes you care about.

wesw · Post by **wesw** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:35 pm

save the bales

Econoline · Post by **Econoline** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:40 am

MajGenl.Meade · Post by **MajGenl.Meade** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:55 pm

rubato wrote:
MajGenl.Meade wrote:So the speed at which the Germans were able to operate was reduced by over 50% between 1942 and 1943. Remarkably effective.
... "

correction: I posted the maximum rate which was over those two months. So it was 1/2 of the maximum rate during the uprising. The rate over the four months before the uprising was -0-. So the rate went up a great deal.

yrs,
rubato

I'm sorry to have missed this until now. Yes, when the Germans ceased rounding up Jews to send to their deaths and were content to simply pen them in the ghetto, the rate of rounding up Jews and sending them to their deaths did go down. I bet it was probably ... oh... zero. That's an acute observation there, rube.