Explosions and Gunfire Reported At Three Locations In Paris

[wesw]

nah, but , he has , been helping , me learn , to type.

[wesw]

if we do decide to fight these these motherfuckers I hope we decide to do it as one nation.

some things need to be beyond partisanship.

war is one of them

I hope that if we do fight them, seriously, we declare war. the president asks congress, and congress agrees, as the constitution demands.

[MajGenl.Meade]

I have to wonder at an organization which is so single mindedly devoted to guaranteeing its own destruction...

...We can further ensure success by devoting our own energies and money to improving the quality of life in other countries and giving their people a reason to work for a better future for their children....
yrs,
rubato

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[Econoline]

Lead through the head. Ideas follow.

Thoughtcrime?

As even the Nazis and the Stalinists eventually found out, die Gedanken sind frei...and thoughts can travel faster than bullets.

Nah. The solution is to prevent the ideas from getting into the heads in the first place. Saves lead, too.

[wesw]

nah, youre free to think what you want, if you think that tyranny is cool you eventually get lead, or steel. that s all, live by the sword die by the sword.

it s not easy to feel like you need to fight and kill someone for me either, but if they are going to utterly destroy you if you don t resist is it wrong to go to war?

i don t know

[Lord Jim]

I have to wonder at an organization which is so single mindedly devoted to guaranteeing its own destruction.


The effects of this and all of their other atrocities will only be to harden resistance, enlist more resources and justify the greater use of force in wiping them out...

... And we will be greatly helped in all of this by the fact most of the population in the areas they control hates them and wants them dead too.

Wow rube...

A moment of blinding clarity...

I couldn't possibly have said it any better myself...

[wesw]

i have a feeling, because of the hollande s comments, that the French are going to take advantage of their stae of emergency, or marshal law, to round up everyone on their extremist or criminal radar.

[liberty]

No thanks Meade. I'm not biting, I'm still too upset. Anger and vengeance won't get us anywhere but caught in the cycle of more anger and more vengeance.

Do know someone in Paris? If you don’t I don’t understand why you are so personally effected except for the fact that the mews media is playing it up. I realize that a horrible thing happened in France, but bad stuff happens all the time in our own country. You remember the nine year old boy that was stabbed to death by his class make, no one cares because it was not played up by the media. We face a lot more danger from ordinary crime than anything ISIS might do to us. And you are not the only one. The sentiment on this board seems to be towards the extermination of ISIS fighters. It was the same during 911.

[wesw]

lib, she probably does, she was over there recently.

and I m not emotional or angry now and I must say that I may be for declaring war on isis, and, as rube suggested, it will be necessary to declare war on their African and other affiliates as well.

the problem is that it will be pretty much a world war, we won t be alone, and who knows what Saudi and Pakistan will do? I know that at least one of them has nuclear arms, and likely the other.

so besides the morality of war itself, we need to consider what the consequences of a possible world war will be.

who will be our allies? Russia? maybe, if we are lucky. china? not bloody likely. certainly most of Europe has had enough.

...and, are we willing to do the necessary housecleaning here? I m not talking about all muslims or immigrants, but everyone who is on the radar needs to go, or go to jail. it will be war.

[dales]

I have to wonder at an organization which is so single mindedly devoted to guaranteeing its own destruction.


The effects of this and all of their other atrocities will only be to harden resistance, enlist more resources and justify the greater use of force in wiping them out...

... And we will be greatly helped in all of this by the fact most of the population in the areas they control hates them and wants them dead too.

Wow rube...

A moment of blinding clarity...

I couldn't possibly have said it any better myself...

Me too!

rube hit the head right on the nail!

[liberty]

lib, she probably does, she was over there recently.

and I m not emotional or angry now and I must say that I may be for declaring war on isis, and, as rube suggested, it will be necessary to declare war on their African and other affiliates as well.

the problem is that it will be pretty much a world war, we won t be alone, and who knows what Saudi and Pakistan will do? I know that at least one of them has nuclear arms, and likely the other.

so besides the morality of war itself, we need to consider what the consequences of a possible world war will be.

who will be our allies? Russia? maybe, if we are lucky. china? not bloody likely. certainly most of Europe has had enough.

...and, are we willing to do the necessary housecleaning here? I m not talking about all muslims or immigrants, but everyone who is on the radar needs to go, or go to jail. it will be war.

We are kind of short of money; we are already dong about all we can we do.

[wesw]

better to be short of money than short of head.

[MajGenl.Meade]

better to be short of money than short of head.

I guess you're a two-time loser, eh?

[wesw]

to quote liberty..., "...dong all we can do"

[wesw]

but yeah liberty, the material cost is another consideration.

[Lord Jim]

We are kind of short of money;...

Lib, that's the Rand Paul argument; "we can't afford to defend ourselves"...

Thanks to ISIS (and Vladimir Putin,) that "reasoning" has become considerably less popular than it once was...

A large part of the reason that Paul's campaign has essentially collapsed...

Neo-isolationism has largely lost its popular appeal (and in my opinion, not a moment too soon)

I found it noteworthy (and I was very happy to see it) that the biggest cheering and applause of the night at last week's GOP debate came when Rubio smacked Paul down on this...

And then when Paul came back with his usual defeatist "we can't afford to spend any more money, blah blah blah..." his comments were met with absolute silence...

[MajGenl.Meade]

... and now Lebanon. Where are the Facebook overlay flags for the Russian aeroplane? And for Beirut? Is it only the western Europeans who get this outpouring of sympathy?

[Guinevere]

That point is addressed in this article, Meade: http://mic.com/articles/128558/adel-ter ... .GdRfVxY9i

[Lord Jim]

The lives of those murdered by Islamist terrorists in Beirut are no less valuable than those murdered by Islamist terrorists in Paris, but it's understandable why there would be more media coverage in the US of the latter than the former...

More Americans have been to Paris than to Beirut. France is a major US ally in the heart of Western Europe; Paris is a modern, Western city, like many in the US...

The level of interest would be the same if the attacks had taken place in London....

Perhaps it's not objectively "fair" but the fact is that it's just human nature for people to have more interest in tragedies that happen in places that they can most easily identify with...

[Lord Jim]

French senator: Bomber entered Europe with Syrian passport issued in Greece

Paris (CNN)New evidence suggests ISIS, which has claimed responsibility for Friday's Paris attacks, may be making good on its pledge to hide operatives among refugees entering Europe in the aftermath of the Syrian war.

A terrorist who blew himself up Friday at the Stade de France outside Paris landed with migrants on the Greek island of Leros on October 3, where he received an emergency Syrian passport under a false name: Ahmad al Muhammad, said an unnamed French senator briefed by the French Ministry of the Interior.

The senator said the Paris attacks were highly organized and planned long ago.

The bomber was among the terrorists who killed more than 120 people in gun and bomb attacks across Paris.

The fingerprints on that passport matched those of the Stade de France bomber, the French senator told CNN.

The revelation collides with legal requirements to give asylum to refugees fleeing persecution.

He was among a group posing as refugees who arrived with no papers, the senator said. Under new emergency provisions, he was given an emergency passport. He also provided a birth date to go with his false identity, September 10, 1990, the French senator said.

The fingerprint on the passport was not in the French database, the senator said, and therefore officials believe he was among a group of refugees and migrants.

The man traveled from Greece to Macedonia, then on Serbia and Croatia, where he registered in the Opatovac refugee camp, the lawmaker said.

European officials said they believe a professional new squad of terrorists are inserting themselves into some of these migrant voyages.

The two others who detonated themselves at the stadium carried false Turkish passports, the French senator said.

In October, an advocacy group said that the tide of migrants to Greece from Turkey had reached a new high for the year: 48,000 refugees daily over a five-day period.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/europe/pa ... index.html

ETA:

Wasn't there somebody around here (Econo maybe) insisting that this wouldn't happen, that any terrorist who tried to infiltrate in this fashion would be outed by the other refugees?