Tell It Like It Is

[liberty]

How can you be so sure that Moslems can not be converted to Christianity?

[Lord Jim]

I've got to say that I'm honestly astonished that so many now see our nation's willingness to slam the door and send Jews back to the death camps as something to be admired and emulated...

What an utterly outrageous comparison... Pure demagoguery...

As Meade correctly points out, nobody...NO-BODY... has ever suggested that Syrian refugees be returned to the control of ISIS....

But it's precisely the sort of bullshit, dishonest, disingenuous false choice, "support my policy or you want to ship people into the clutches of ISIS" that our Vacillator-In-Chief is perfectly capable of expressing...

I wouldn't put it past him for a moment...

[Joe Guy]

How can you be so sure that Moslems can not be converted to Christianity?

I'm not. I just haven't seen very many Muslim-Baptist churches around here. Maybe you and your baptist cohorts would be more successful if you went to the Mideast and converted them at the source.

Don't forget to report back how you're doing...

[rubato]

I could not find the option for "Close the borders and don't let any of them in. Instead, provide assistance to rehouse them within the borders of adjacent Middle East countries"

Oh wait... I forgot. Those adjacent Middle East countries don't want anything to do with 'em.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee ... _Civil_War

Turkey = 2.2 million
Jorden = 1.4 million
Lebanon= 1.2 million

&c
You ignorant lying racist.


The numbers refugees in all of those countries has been in the news for years.


Yrs,
Rubato

[wesw]

I think that perhaps he meant Kuwait , Saudi, iran, UAE, egypt etc....

...as we have already lauded the efforts of Lebanon Jordan and turkey in an earlier thread.

I realize that they are not ALL adjacent but.., horseshoes and hand grenades you know.....

[MajGenl.Meade]

Ignorance would tend to negate lying. How's Iraq doing in this area? Please keep me advised.

Thanks for the insults - it's been hours

ETA: anyway, it's not racism. It's Islamophobia

[Scooter]

I've got to say that I'm honestly astonished that so many now see our nation's willingness to slam the door and send Jews back to the death camps as something to be admired and emulated...

What an utterly outrageous comparison... Pure demagoguery...

As Meade correctly points out, nobody...NO-BODY... has ever suggested that Syrian refugees be returned to the control of ISIS....

So where are you going to put them?

Let's start by recognizing that ISIS is not the only belligerent force in Syria creating a refugee crisis. There are more refugees who left the country from areas controlled by other rebel factions, than from areas controlled by ISIS. Because the Syrian military has been throwing everything it's got at trying to regain control of those areas. And rebel forces have been attempting to shell cities into submission as well. So you can't send the refugees back into the killing field they left. The Assad regime isn't going to settle them in government-controlled areas, even if we purposely sent millions of people into the custody of a regime that has spent five years trying to exterminate them. Not exactly a plethora of options

12 million Syrians (out of 16 million) fled their homes and 7.5 million of those were displaced internally. Is it so far fetched to accept the notion that when 75% of a country's population is in flight from war or other generalized violence, when half the land area or more is in the hands of murderous nutcases, when a good chunk of the rest is being fought over by various sides, maybe it's unrealistic to expect 100% of 12 million displaced persons to find safety within the country. Maybe the 25% of the population that left the country did not have another safe option.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Islamic State's English-language magazine Dabiq, shows Abdelhamid Abaaoud. Abaaoud, the child of Moroccan immigrants who grew up in the Belgian capital’s Molenbeek-Saint-Jean neighborhood, was identified by French authorities on Monday Nov. 16, 2015, as the presumed mastermind of the terror attacks last Friday in Paris that killed over a hundred people and injured hundreds more

He seems a nice looking young man in his other pictures. I wonder if the fervent belief that killing infidels earns "heaven" is really sufficient explanation for such suicidal hatred? Not that he's a suicide... yet.

I wonder that European countries (and probably our own) don't arrest and put on trial anyone who goes to spend time with IS, training to become killers - they are, after all, conspiring to treason.

[BoSoxGal]

Well I was hoping for a discussion, and I sure got one.


I think this country was disgustingly mean-spirited in only agreeing to accept 10,000 Syrian refugees in the first place; if we take fewer or none, we are no better now than we were in 1938. Time doesn't change all things, it seems - those who forget history, and all.

The vast majority of immigrants/refugees accepted into this nation have not and likely never will commit terrorism. They are our neighbors and fellow brothers and sisters, they are human beings seeing their homelands devastated and loved ones killed by war.

How can we let the actions of a few insane extremists turn our hearts hard against the many who are just trying to live, just like us?

I would take a Syrian refugee family into my home, if I was able.

Is this a terrorist?:




eta: I wonder how many of the anti-immigrant/anti-refugee bunch would describe themselves as pro-life?

[Scooter]

During the last election, it came out that the Prime Minister's Office was sticking its nose into the refugee admittance process, which is the responsibility of the Department of Citizenship and Immigration.

There would have been legitimate reasons for the PMO to get involved, for example, ensuring that security screening is appropriately adapted to the unprecedented circumstances and, yes, potential threats.

But no, not the previous PMO. They pretty much directed immigration staff to give preference to non-Muslims when admitting Syrian refugees. Then when they did a security audit of the files, they only reviewed the files for government-sponsored refugees (probably overwhelmingly Muslim, because these were selected by UNHCR), but not the files of privately sponsored refugees (very often church groups and thus disproportionately Christian).

Along with the niqab nonsense, they should have changed the "Welcome to Canada" signs at every port of entry by adding "ragheads not welcome".

[Econoline]

Meade and Jim: Okay, okay...I understand...providing asylum to refugees ("your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore") is fine and laudable, just as long as it's not OUR lamp and OUR golden door. NIMBY. Got it.



P.S. Does anyone else here remember the "Pottery Barn Rule" as enunciated by General Colin Powell? ("You break it, you own it.")

[BoSoxGal]

Is this a terrorist?:

I'm going to posit an answer to my own question:

No, the drowned child isn't a terrorist.

But might his father or older sibling become one, having endured such experiences while the world decried the inconvenience and risk of accepting refugees from a war torn nation?

Shouldn't we - in addition to accepting refugees with generous, loving hearts - be finding some way to help France to wipe out D'aesh/ISIL, and to establish functioning economies that provide hope and opportunity to people who would MUCH rather go back home, if home was a functioning, generally peaceful state?

[wesw]

anyway....

chris Matthews just ripped the governor of Delaware and asked him if he would take personal responsibilities for all the refugees he accepted, and their actions.

Matthews said the able bodied men should go fight for their country.

he asked marlell "you wouldn t run off to Australia would ya? you d stay and fight for your country, wouldn t ya?

[MajGenl.Meade]

Shouldn't we - in addition to assisting accepting refugees with generous, loving hearts - be finding some way to help France to wipe out D'aesh/ISIL, and to establish functioning economies that provide hope and opportunity to people who would MUCH rather go back home, if home was a functioning, generally peaceful state?

FTFY and, Yes we should to all three

[TPFKA@W]

Does Obama realize the these people are honkies? With good active Southern Baptist proselytizing in a generation or two they may make good white Christians, those unintended consequences. We Baptist should turn our efforts from feeding Africans to converting American Muslims.

Boy I don't know about them being Honkies, but I can tell you that Syrians sure have HONKERS. Good God there are a ton of Syrians in Terre Haute and the noses you see are huge. You could probably hide a bomb in one. Nothing to sneeze at I promise.

[BoSoxGal]

I can see why people are terrified of refugees - just found this link/video on a friend's Facebook page. It's a 20 minute video, but probably worth watching, as it's making the rounds and shaping opinions - total propaganda piece.

http://buzzpo.com/this-is-the-most-dist ... republican

Strangely enough, it ends with the logical inference that without the immigrant/refugee population, European countries wouldn't survive given present birth rates. And that's just truth.

[TPFKA@W]

I can see why people are terrified of refugees - just found this link/video on a friend's Facebook page. It's a 20 minute video, but probably worth watching, as it's making the rounds and shaping opinions - total propaganda piece.

http://buzzpo.com/this-is-the-most-dist ... republican

Strangely enough, it ends with the logical inference that without the immigrant/refugee population, European countries wouldn't survive given present birth rates. And that's just truth.

Read up on the black death in Europe. The reduction in population was of huge benefit to the middle/lower class because it increased their worth to the land barons who had to do their own farming for a while and did not like it. The resulting competition for their services lead to better pay and treatment. Europeans would survive, it would simply be different.

[wesw]

oh bullshit, bigsky. if we had less people we would have more resources per person.

that s such crap, bigsky. the same people who champion population control and birth control say that we can t survive without more people.

pure bullshit.

[Scooter]

If Chris Matthews believes there is any military force in Syria worth joining, he is welcome to go.

Never has there been an expectation that a population forced to flee due to the ravages of civil war must leave behind those of military age so that those powers that led their country to ruin should have a continuing supply of cannon fodder for the disaster they created.

And the idea that someone of 20 or 25 years of age should be literally required to bet his or her life on the integrity of one of the 10 or 12 different factions fighting in this war, that he or she can have some certainty that the ideologies and loyalties of the faction he or she joins are intended to build a better Syria, that there are no hidden agendas or allegiances at work which will not be revealed until it is too late.

Tell you what, Mr. Matthews, if a 20 year old Syrian answers your call to do his/her duty, and is ordered to commit atrocities against civilians under pain of death, will you pay for his/her funeral?

[wesw]

I agree. the world needs less people. it would be much more pleasant. let s start here and let the population decline gently til we reach a happy medium.