Tell It Like It Is

[dales]

So you are a null.



yrs,
rubato

No.

That spot is reserved exclusively for you!

Get back to your ironing and vacuuming before the little missus returns home!

[MajGenl.Meade]

Of course, I might be quoting from some biased, non-objective and non-independent source - let's allow Big RR the opportunity to tell me so.

Normally, I might well tell you; but when a post begins like this, I just don't bother to read any further.

So, business as usual then?

[Lord Jim]

In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan...

Well,...





Give it another try rube:

Sober up. It's still morning. The context of the thread is clear enough. One post is not the whole of the context.


yrs,
rubato

That's what you provide in lieu of an actual on point response...

How very surprising...

Here it is again:

The racism towards blacks is contiguous with their racism towards Palestinians (both Christian and Muslim). And it is tied to their religion.

In what "context" does saying that racism is tied to a "religion" not refer to the "religion"?

Is the problem that you don't know that Judaism is a religion, or is the problem that you don't know what the word religion means?

(Frankly in your case I'd be willing to accept either of those as a plausible explanation...Over the years you've demonstrated an impressive facility for not knowing the meaning of relatively simple words that most middle school students of even below average intelligence could easily define...)

But unless one of those is the explanation, (that you don't know that Judaism is a religion or what the word religion means)

then you're just performing a really clumsy attempt at deflection, and a very poor tap dance...

Fred Astaire you ain't...

See if you can sort that out rube...

[Lord Jim]

So you are a null.



yrs,
rubato

Look again at that, (and every other response he's had in this thread; and every related thread for that matter...and pretty much everything else he says on a regular basis...)

And tell me again that you believe that he's not really an idiot...

He's just doing an impersonation of an idiot...

He couldn't possibly be that stupid...

Once again, I'm going with Occam's Razor...

I believe he is every bit as stupid as he appears to be, and I have no reason to believe otherwise...

If someone here has some evidence to present that would suggest that he's just "pretending" to be a moron, (beyond the obvious; that it's difficult to imagine someone being "legitimately" this stupid and still operate a keyboard)

I'm more than happy to consider it...

In the meantime, I'll take "what is the bleeding obvious" for 1000 Alex...

[Joe Guy]

I'm beginning to think that Jim is not fond of rubato.

Is it just me or have others here drawn that conclusion?

[Lord Jim]

I'm beginning to think that Jim is not fond of rubato.

Now that's just not true Joe...

I am very fond of rubato...

I am particularly fond of his participation on this board...

His participation here serves as a constant reminder to far more intelligent Liberals here abouts, that we Conservatives do not have a monopoly on ignorance, bigotry and stupidity...

[wesw]

I have not voted in the poll.

I am not opposed to allowing in properly vetted and obviously persecuted refugees. especially the yazidis and Christians who don t stand a chance with ISIS.

I am not happy about unknown middle easterners coming thru our southern border, or anyone else coming illegally across our border. I am not happy about the student and tourist visas that are easily gotten and the fact that overstaying your visa is not tracked or dealt with.

the moment of silence at the Turkish greek soccer game , in turkey was stunning to me. while the teams bowed their heads the crowd booed and whistled and began chanting allehu Akbar. it was chilling, and I posted a video in it s own thread previously.

a great number of muslims want us dead or converted. a great number of muslims subjugate women, muslims are slavers, from sudan to Syria to Saudi.

it is unfortunate that they feel this way, but we are stupid if we ignore it.

does that make me a religious bigot? or a racist? or a xenophobe?

or does that make me a realist who refuses to stick his fingers in his ears, close his eyes and shout lalalalalalala til all the bad men start being nice?

[BoSoxGal]

the moment of silence at the Turkish greek soccer game , in turkey was stunning to me. while the teams bowed their heads the crowd booed and whistled and began chanting allehu Akbar. it was chilling, and I posted a video in it s own thread previously.

For what it's worth, there is a very similar video on the web showing Turkish soccer fans responding the same way to a moment of silence over their own terrorism tragedy in Ankara recently.

Allahu ahkbar means "God is greater" or "God is great" in Islam. People say that in respect for the victims of tragic violence in Muslim culture, it doesn't mean they are with the terrorists. That's where the "all Muslims are terrorist" equation is coming into your thinking, wesw.

It's a very different culture, and calling out and whilstling during a moment of silence is not taken exactly the same here, and you cannot assume that all of the noise was at all in support of the terrorists.

[wesw]

oh, and as far as hating muslims goes...

I admire the kurds as much as I admire any people on earth right now. that doesn t mean that I don t think the PKK is screwing up, they are, but by and large the kurds have earned my admiration, not only for the vigor with which they have defended themselves and survived , how they have been persecuted and survived, how they have fought and beaten isis, but also for the way they saved countless yazidis and Christians when no one else would.

we should be ashamed at leaving them in the lurch since Obama took office, ashamed. he is only helping them now to avoid looking like a total and irrelevant fool.

the king of Jordan is man among men , I think.

the Egyptians and their revolution was impressive, their second revolution was well done and hopefully the military will relinquish power as they are able.

and Indians? I love me some hindus, man, or give me a good Buddhist any day..., Sikhs are bad ass man, I carry a buck 110 on my belt when I m out and about, but they carry those big ass daggers..., hell yeah.....

oh? you say they all have problems with muslims too? strange...., those poor misunderstood islamists...

[wesw]

yeah, bigsky, they weren t happy to be silent for dead kurds either...

don t misrepresent what they did or meant, it s insulting

[rubato]

In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan...

Well,...





Give it another try rube:

Sober up. It's still morning. The context of the thread is clear enough. One post is not the whole of the context.


yrs,
rubato

That's what you provide in lieu of an actual on point response...

How very surprising...

Here it is again:

The racism towards blacks is contiguous with their racism towards Palestinians (both Christian and Muslim). And it is tied to their religion.

In what "context" does saying that racism is tied to a "religion" not refer to the "religion"?

Is the problem that you don't know that Judaism is a religion, or is the problem that you don't know what the word religion means?

(Frankly in your case I'd be willing to accept either of those as a plausible explanation...Over the years you've demonstrated an impressive facility for not knowing the meaning of relatively simple words that most middle school students of even below average intelligence could easily define...)

But unless one of those is the explanation, (that you don't know that Judaism is a religion or what the word religion means)

then you're just performing a really clumsy attempt at deflection, and a very poor tap dance...

Fred Astaire you ain't...

See if you can sort that out rube...

I did. You were unable to read it.

Sorry, but my tolerance for stupid is low right now.


yrs,
rubato

[BoSoxGal]

I was on the DC Urban Moms forum recently and found another Turk explaining the words being chanted and the cultural reason behind them.

I believe it, because I was lucky enough in my education to meet folks from very different cultures and I know they don't all act just like westerners. Calling out during such memoriam moments is culturally acceptable.

Here is another Turk explaining this:

Mustafa Özsarı – a Masters student at Anadolu University:

Let it be clear: In Turkey (especially at football matches) a one minute silence is always used to chant for those who died in terrorist attacks.

And what they are chanting is this “Şehitler ölmez, vatan bölünmez”. Translation: “Martyrs, they do not die (they are immortal), homeland (land, our land) is indivisible.”

That is a habit from our past with the terrorist organisation PKK. More than 30,000 of our citizens died over the past 30 years by the PKK (including babies, women, children, teachers, officers, doctors, students and soldiers).

In any event, after PKK terrorists kill someone in Turkey, people chant this. Below is a proof from one Turkish Premier League match:

Same slogan “Şehitler ölmez, vatan bölünmez”.

And also, they booed the terrorist, not the victims. Any victims of terrorism are accepted as martyrs in Turkish culture. There is no disrespect to them, there has not been, there will not be.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/an-ex ... k-victims/

[Crackpot]

I did. You were unable to read it.

Sorry, but my tolerance for stupid is low right now.


yrs,
rubato

Don't do it! You have so much to live for!

[wesw]

if you are gonna take a gratuitous shot at some one, humor makes it funnier.

yrs

yogi berrato


(and that was funny, crackpot)

[Lord Jim]

I did. You were unable to read it.

Sorry, but my tolerance for stupid is low right now.


yrs,
rubato

Don't do it! You have so much to live for!

That certainly explains all the self loathing...

[Joe Guy]

Sorry, but my tolerance for stupid is low right now.

[Lord Jim]

This is the context. Referred to before:

Re: Black Miss Israel

Postby rubato » Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:17 am
Israel's treatment of the Falashas is an ugly little racist history. First, they denied them the right of return given to all white Jews who merely show up and say "I'm Jewish" no matter the degree of religiousity or which sect they are from. Finally they tried to make up for it by evacuating the Falashas who remained alive.

The racism towards blacks is contiguous with their racism towards Palestinians (both Christian and Muslim). And it is tied to their religion.

But perhaps they will atone and repair their social attitudes more quickly than we have?

yrs,
rubato

The context is plain for all. You can stop lying now.



yrs,
rubato

LOL

And that changes the meaning of the word "religion"........ how?

The really hilarious thing here is that he honestly believes that since he made his anti-semitic remark in the course of a discussion about Israelis and Palestinians, that somehow makes it ok and negates the plain meaning of his words...

There is absolutely zero ambiguity or "wiggle room" in what he said...

And to make it even more hilarious, he tells me I can "stop lying" in the same post where he himself proves I'm not lying ....

It would be like if we were having a discussion about some black people behaving badly and I tossed in the comment "the propensity to be violent is tied to their race"....

The context would not at all change the fact that that would be a blatantly racist remark, just as what rube said was blatantly anti-semitic...

So I'll repeat what I told you before rube:

Unless and until you provide a plausible alternative explanation for saying that racism is tied to the Jewish religion, that wouldn't be anti-semitic (frankly I can't imagine what one would be, but feel free to take a stab at it) or until you retract your anti-semitic statement and apologize for it, you can expect to have this thrown in your face every time you start discoursing on anti-semitism...

An anti-Semite like you has no business accusing anyone else of it.

[Lord Jim]

Thanks for posting the article about the vetting procedures, @W...

I read through it, and the procedures certainly look good on paper. My concern is that if you looked at the protocols and procedures that are written for the Secret Service, or the Veteran's Administration, or the IRS, I'm sure they'd look pretty good too...

The procedures for the TSA look pretty tight too, and yet every time the government tests the effectiveness of their procedures they fail badly...

The question really is, how are these procedures implemented and followed in practice?

This is why, as I said earlier, I would like to see some sort of an independent audit of the process, conducted by qualified professionals who don't have a political agenda either way.

[dales]

The procedures for the TSA look pretty tight too, and yet every time the government tests the effectiveness of their procedures they fail badly...

Wasn't it something like over 95% of fake bombs and other armaments that they missed during a recent inspection of TSA effectiveness?

And some here believe in the effectiveness of another govt. agency "vetting" incoming Muslims.

They must have a death wish.

[Econoline]

If you read the article @W posted, you would have seen that it isn't just "another govt. agency" doing the vetting; it's at least FOUR different agencies within three different cabinet departments, plus a couple of UN agencies and one or two NGOs. In the end, all of these groups must be unanimous in their approval, and they have months or years to carry out the process (unlike the seconds or minutes the TSA takes...maybe if the TSA only had to screen 10,000 passengers a year instead of over a million a day their numbers would approach perfection?). The existing process appears to be robust, thorough, and effective.

Of course, yes, no system can be 100% foolproof. But if that is your standard, then you better shut down the entire airline industry, close the borders, and stop all international commerce and shipping. Every one of those has been the source of entry of people and are much easier ways to gain access to the U.S. Only upon passing all of these checks (which involve basically every agency of the government involved in terrorist identification) can the person actually be approved to travel.

Coming into the US by pretending to be a refugee would seem to be absolutely the most difficult, time-consuming, and uncertain route a would-be terrorist could possibly take. Where is your evidence that it's ever actually been attempted?




ETA: BTW...Evidence of the current system working: 2184 Syrian refugees have already been admitted into the U.S. since the start of the Syrian civil war, none of them terrorists. (Again, where is your evidence to the contrary?)