Cruz tries to pry the 'crazy' vote from Trumpy

[BoSoxGal]

Right over there, a BIG BEAUTIFUL SAFE ZONE - they'll be happier there, folks, where the weather's the same.

[Long Run]

One bill Obama and the Rs can agree on is to have lump/klump/trump have contracts to build the housing for the refugees, if he would just drop out of the race and STFU. Rasmussen and RCP would have that at plus 30 points.

[wesw]

woof woof, said Pavlov s dogs

[Lord Jim]

Well now I'm in the uncomfortable and unpleasant position of having to defend Donald Trump...

The Hitler comparison, (at least in this context) is way off the mark..

Comparing this to the Nazi death camps is ridiculous...

In this case he's just proposing what many others in both parties have, (including myself and Hillary Clinton for that matter) that safe areas for refugees be established within Syria. What is a "no fly zone" if not a "safe zone"?

ETA:

if he would just drop out of the race and STFU.

I'd be in favor of authorizing a tax free billion dollar (no, make that 5 billion dollar) bribe for Trump from public funds if he would just drop out of the race and STFU...(and never run again; otherwise he would be required to repay the money with interest)

It would be a worthwhile investment for American democracy...

(I had to add that; defending Trump was making me feel like taking a long hot shower...)

[Jarlaxle]

You've already openly advocated treason...what's a bit of payola?

[rubato]

Ah, Econo, I was just making fun of rubato. He doubts there is evidence of significant numbers.... so I suppose that to mean he's not doubting that there are insignificant numbers.... and I'm pretty sure wesw was delivering "humor"

Everyone who has investigated the matter has shown that there are no significant number of people voting who are not entitled to.

Do you read the press? At all? Ever?


Then shut up.


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rubato

[Lord Jim]

Everyone who has investigated the matter has shown that there are no significant number of people voting who are not entitled to.

Every "study" that has been done has demonstrated that the following is not occurring in large numbers:

There is a legally entitled voter in precinct XYZ named Joe Doakes. Somebody other than Joe Doakes shows up at the polls and tries to vote as Joe Doakes.

This is another bit of the dishonesty; falsely defining the voter fraud problem, and then based on that false definition declaring that there is no problem...

Here's the real problem:

There is a fellow in XYZ precinct who is not legally entitled to vote, but who has nevertheless registered to vote. (A very easy thing to do, given the way the safeguards on voter registration in this country have completely broken down) Joe Doakes, ( the real Joe Doakes but not legally entitled to vote) then shows up and votes, which he able to do because he is on the registration rolls.

Every study that has been done on those who are not entitled to vote being registered to vote has revealed substantial numbers. Rube is apparently one of those who believes that all of those people are registering to vote just because they want additional practice signing their name, and that none of them actually vote.

If rube is so stupid and/or dishonest as to take this position, then perhaps until he becomes less stupid and or dishonest about it he should just shut up about it.

ETA:

Wait a minute, I just thought of another reason for registering to vote other than actually wanting to vote...

Maybe they all want to be called for jury duty!

[MajGenl.Meade]

Hi, rube! You don't get humor about language at all, do you? Always advising me to "read" and totally unable to do so yourself. Shame.

Let me try this very slowly so you can get it - and then don't feel obliged to be amused.

You said you doubt there are "significant numbers" of illegal aliens voting

I wonder if that means you believe that there are "insignificant numbers" of illegal aliens voting. You excluded "significant" but failed to exclude "insignificant"

As to your amazing discovery that there are no significant numbers who do vote, yes - I'm fully cognizant of that conclusion in sundry investigations. But somehow you just can't parse that from what I actually wrote.

Thank you

[oldr_n_wsr]

How would anyone know there is a problem when there is no requirement to prove who you are and if you are a citizen when registering to vote nor even when voting?

[Lord Jim]

Excellent questions oldr...

[Big RR]

How would anyone know there is a problem when there is no requirement to prove who you are and if you are a citizen when registering to vote nor even when voting?

that is not entirely true; my understanding is that (at least in most states) any candidate on the ballot can send challengers to the polls to challenge the right of a person to vote. Challengers are usually persons in the precinct whop know most of the constituents and can say "You're not Bill rosen" or "no one lives at that address"(I think poll workers can also challenge a right to vote); once a challenge is made, it is referred to the polling place director who can require proof of identity, etc. to resolve it. Beyond this the procedures vary but generally one will either vote a sealed paper ballot and pursue an appeal after the election, or one can go to the courts and having an emergency hearing right away (one or more judges will be there the entire day to hear the cases). In my state, lawyers volunteer and remain at the courthouse the entire day to facilitate such hearings; it is generally incumbent on the challenger to show what (s)he bases the challenge on and the person desiring to vote can then rebut that proof by evidence.

[Lord Jim]

"You're not Bill rosen" or "no one lives at that address"

And how does that help when it is Bill Rosen, and he lives at that address, but Bill is not legally entitled to vote even though he is registered?

Which is the real problem...

[dales]

How would anyone know there is a problem when there is no requirement to prove who you are and if you are a citizen when registering to vote nor even when voting?

EXACTLY !

Every time the idea is floated to have picture ID as a requirement to register to vote is shouted down as "racist" or an "undue impediment to the poor" by the cackling hyenas and their self-appointed minions of political correctness.

It's enough to make a skunk vomit!

[MajGenl.Meade]

"challengers who know everyone in the precinct"

Oh Big RR, it's too soon after lunch to make my stomach hurt this much

[Big RR]

"challengers who know everyone in the precinct"

If you purport to quote me, at least do it accurately.

That accuracy too taxing for you?

jim--if the challenger has a reason to believe the person is not entitled to vote for any reason, the vote can be challenged.

Personally, I would think people moving out of a precinct (and not registering in a new one) going back to that precinct to vote is a bigger problem (especially for local races) than any noncitizen vote, but I will admit I don't have any data so I am unsure. But a good percentage of the population moves each year, so I think it is likely to be a pretty substantial number.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Oh, picky picky picky

Challengers are usually persons in the precinct whop know most of the constituents

So they know the Italian ones anyway?

[Big RR]

This is just pointless. Thanks for playing but the game is over.

At least you learned how to challenge what someone says by posting an accurate quote, so it's not a total loss.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Why is it pointless? The very notion that anyone in a precinct knows "most" of the constituents strikes me as ludicrous. That may have been true in 1922 but these days .... well, it's a laughable notion but if it makes you feel better...

You're real snarky today - shoes too tight?

[Long Run]

The very notion that anyone in a precinct knows "most" of the constituents strikes me as ludicrous. That may have been true in 1922 but these days .... well, it's a laughable notion but if it makes you feel better...

Spot on. One of the defining oddities of our time is that we are likely to know more about people we've never met who live across the country or on another continent than we know about our next door neighbor.

[Big RR]

True, but then in our society our challengers can get up to date lists of house sales, tenancies in apartments, etc. and have it at their fingertips, as well as information from other party members/supporters in the precincts, so they can get quite a bit of information they can use.