Active Shooter Situation in CA

[Big RR]

Whatever.

[TPFKA@W]

Well it seems to be an inevitable outcome that the left will yell their rhetoric, MORE GUN CONTROL! While the right will yell their rhetoric MORE IMMIGRATION CONTROL, CATCH TAG AND RELEASE ALL MUSLIMS!.

There will be no winners from what happened.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Catch, tag and release! Now that's funny!

[Big RR]

@W--you forgot "If there were more people carrying guns at the site, this never would have happened"; NPR had a minister who was counseling the bereaved in a community center saying this.

You're right, we all lose.

[MajGenl.Meade]

@W--you forgot "If there were more people carrying guns at the site, this never would have happened"; NPR had a minister who was counseling the bereaved in a community center saying this.

You're right, we all lose.

Got a link for that, Big RR? I'd like to hear the entire piece.

[Big RR]

Unfortunately no Meade; it was on Morning Edition this morning in the 7:00 AM half hour. As I recall, that's the only statement they played. I don't recall his name but he was identified as a Baptist minister who was ministering to or counseling people at a center set up a few miles away; I think they said his church was 50 miles away, but I'm not sure. they also had some people making statements about too many guns/too easy to get guns being responsible. If I see anything I will link it.

[TPFKA@W]

@W--you forgot "If there were more people carrying guns at the site, this never would have happened"; NPR had a minister who was counseling the bereaved in a community center saying this.

You're right, we all lose.

But you forgot the ones saying "if there weren't all these guns this wouldn't be happening" which is equally erroneous. Bombs baby, bombs.

[Big RR]

@W--I actually thought that was part of the "more gun control" you mentioned; but it can have a category all its own if you want.

[TPFKA@W]

@W--I actually thought that was part of the "more gun control" you mentioned; but it can have a category all its own if you want.

It really isn't going to matter whether it is properly categorized one way or another, is it?

Millions of people, several of whom I know personally, own guns, piles and piles of them, some of them are semi-automatic etc, etc, and not one of those millions has committed a crime with those guns yet they are vilified and demonized by the left.

Pressure builds, people on both sides are angry. I don't see anything good coming of all this.

[wesw]

yes @W , I must agree.

to my eyes the first and second amendments are being actively assaulted by the left.

many people still believe that these things are worth fighting and even dying for.

the left is pushing and using executive orders to subvert the balance of powers in our govt. the president sneers at the supreme court and usurps the the lawmaking powers of congress by creating law himself and not enforcing or obeying the laws congress does pass.

[MajGenl.Meade]

ressure builds, people on both sides are angry. I don't see anything good coming of all this.

Exactly so. I think the appeal of Trump and Bernie is a reflection of this polarization. Two constituencies getting very, very pissed off

[BoSoxGal]

Found on Facebook; I pretty much agree with this message word for word:

[MajGenl.Meade]

"It will create jobs: regulators, educators, enforcers"

Such good, productive jobs - creating value in the modern economy by expanding freeloading government employees and adding nothing to the marketplace.

Should it need to be pointed out that there is a bit of a contradiction in demanding anyone "earn" a right that is guaranteed by the Constitution? I can think of other areas where "earning a right" might be usefully applied: voting for one. Let us by all means have some kind of test to ensure that people are not property-less vagabonds, voting themselves funding. How about marriage - perhaps a government-run education program and examination would weed out undesirable liaisons?

Why exempt hunting weapons and historic firearms from a voluntary (let's see that word again: voluntary) buyback program?

And so on. Here's a different thought. Ban the sale and manufacture of automatic pistols (other than to military/police forces) and allow revolvers only. Sure, experts can reload rapidly but the average mass killer isn't an expert. Ban the sale and ownership of semi-automatic long guns - there's no need, even for hunters, to be able to loose off a bazillion rounds in 50 seconds. (Hey, machine guns are banned and that seems to have made no difference to the hunting fraternity).

And let's recognize that the "problem" of gun violence includes not only the relatively small number of high profile mass killings but also the huge number of suicides that by far outweighs the more dramatic media-friendly events. What's to be done about those? Neither tests nor gun education programs nor banning specific weapons dents that awful number. Houston, we have a problem... and it's not just guns - it's people.

[wesw]

huh, the pres still says this may just be workplace violence. what a lbald faced liar

talk of mandatory gun buy backs are on the lips of those at MSNBC. cnn is all in for gun control now.

disarm the populace then subjugate them, or let the terrorists subjugate us.

they don t even want the cops to have the same firepower as the crooks

I m expecting civil war. good luck staying neutral.

the left is fast becoming stalinistic.

[Lord Jim]

The "this was just work place violence" theory has been completely blown up (no pun intended) by the 12 bombs (and tools and materials to make even more bombs) and the thousands of rounds of ammunition found at the house...

Farook may very well have picked his work place as the first target, (I suppose it goes without saying that he didn't particularly care for his co-workers, since he, uh, you know,murdered them en masse) but clearly he did not intend it to be his last one...

I understand why the FBI is taking it's time officially declaring this an Islamist terrorist attack. They want to dot every "I" and cross every "T" and (of course develop evidence regarding anyone else who may have been involved helping these people.)

But at this point, just based on what's known publicly now about this guy; his beliefs, his contacts, his travel, and his accomplice, one has to be a very VERY dedicated Islamist-terrorism denier indeed to somehow try to rationalize that this was anything other than an act of Islamist terrorism...

[MajGenl.Meade]

They want to dot every "I" and cross every "T"

... before they put: slamis in between 'em?

[Big RR]

@W--I actually thought that was part of the "more gun control" you mentioned; but it can have a category all its own if you want.

It really isn't going to matter whether it is properly categorized one way or another, is it?

Millions of people, several of whom I know personally, own guns, piles and piles of them, some of them are semi-automatic etc, etc, and not one of those millions has committed a crime with those guns yet they are vilified and demonized by the left.

Pressure builds, people on both sides are angry. I don't see anything good coming of all this.

you'll get no arguments from me; the issue is extremely polarized and you get zealots on both sides. There are good and bad gun owners, just like everything else, and while I do not own a gun (even though I enjoyed shooting targets in college), I am not at the point where I'd recommend repeal of the 2nd amendment. Bit with the people on both sides shouting, and coopting every violent attack into a situation where they can

[TPFKA@W]

My concern is that Radical Islamists will blow up a mosque blaming it on radical right wingnuts in order to create more mistrust. Or some radical right wingnut will do it.

Much bad mojo to come.

[rubato]

This looks to me like a single shooter with a compliant wife as an accomplice.


The fact that he is a Muslim is somewhat incidental. I don't think there is any of ideological terrorism to this at all. The picture is of an alienated loner whose father was a violently abusive alcoholic. He is unable to form normal friendships or to meet women in person and he has a fantasy life of being powerful which he fed with guns, bombs, military garb. He attacked his co-workers because they were the only people he knew.

Since his wife was from Pakistan but living in Saudi Arabia I'm guessing she was a domestic worker there with few marriage or other career choices. None of the articles have mentioned if she spoke English or how well; if not her own isolation and emotional dependence on her husband would have been even greater. Women in traditional Pakistani culture are very isolated and very dominated by men to begin with, I worked with a post-doc from Pakistan whose wife said she was not allowed the leave the house except in the company of a male relative, this was 1982-ish.


ISIS-Daesh are certainly trying to recruit people like him, alienated young men, intelligent but emotionally stunted, but they appear not to have actually done so. And while he may have mentioned ISIS, nothing of the shooting spree seems to be directed towards any kind of meaningful terroristic purporse.


Guns are simply too plentiful, and far too cheap.


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rubato

[Joe Guy]

I m expecting civil war. good luck staying neutral.

I agree. The war will be gun nuts vs people who don't have them. The nuts will be so frustrated with the idea that somebody is going to take their guns away that they will begin shooting random people.

All of the gun nuts are good Christians so they will have God on their side. They will yell, "Praise the Lord!" between reloads while they storm schools and malls, knowing that only gun grabbers inhabit those places.

That will have the added benefit of scaring away Islamic terrorists. We will never have to worry about having any religious extremists invading this country! The 2nd amendment will save us!!!!