'Uman rights innit

[Gob]

British troops are being hindered in their fight against terrorists by the fear that enemy fighters could sue them for breaching human rights, according to the Defence Secretary.

Defence Secretary Michael Fallon warned that troops are being left unable to do their duty, and condemned the ‘ambulance chasing British law firms’ who bring the compensation claims.

The Ministry of Defence has faced more than 2,000 legal claims from enemy fighters who were captured or injured in action overseas, or the relatives of those killed.

Ministers are preparing plans to pull Britain out of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) following claims that it places soldiers at risk of court action.

Mr Fallon said there was ‘a strong case’ for terminating the European human rights law when sending forces into action overseas.

‘We don’t need these ambulance-chasing British law firms,’ he told The Sunday Telegraph.

‘It is not only extremely expensive but it inhibits the operational effectiveness of our troops because they start to worry about whether they will end up in a court or not.’

After months of build-up, this is the clearest sign so far that ministers would be prepared to abandon the convention in action.

The government would replace the European convention with a British Bill of Rights, which Mr Fallon said he hoped could be in place as soon as possible.

‘I would like to see [the Bill of Rights] soon because some of these court rulings are beginning to affect the effectiveness of British troops,’ he said.

But Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron dismissed the Defence Secretary’s comments as the ‘worst kind of jingoist rubbish’.

‘Our soldiers are currently fighting extremism to protect values like freedom, democracy and civil liberties – the very human rights that others seek to extinguish,’ he said.

Thousands of cases have been brought against the Ministry of Defence over the conduct of British forces in Iraq and Afghanistan – by fighters including Taliban and bomb-makers – leaving the British taxpayer facing a £150million bill.

Senior army officers argue the convention, brought into effect in 1953, is misused in combat situations as many of its principles relate to abuses during peacetime.

Countries can suspend some obligations at times of war or national emergency ‘threatening the life of the nation’.

Britain did so briefly after 9/11 to detain foreign terror suspects and countries including France, Portugal, Spain and the Czech Republic have done so to protect troops from legal action.

Since 2003, the Ministry of Defence has spent £100million on Iraq-related investigations and compensation, with £44million more earmarked for ongoing claims from Iraqis up to 2019.

The most expensive was the £31million Al-Sweady public inquiry, lasting five years, which exonerated British troops of claiming that they went on a torture and killing spree after a 2004 battle in southern Iraq.

The inquiry concluded some Iraqis had been mistreated but allegations of murder were based on ‘deliberate lies’.


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[liberty]

As Jane Fonda once said, anyone who supports the war is as guilty of a war crime as the pilot who drops the bombs. So why not publish the names of all the troops so they all they all can be sued.

You can’t blame the lawyers for taking advantage of a free pot of gold. ( need I say)

[Bicycle Bill]

As Jane Fonda once said, anyone who supports the war is as guilty of a war crime as the pilot who drops the bombs.

After doing a Google search (using that line as the search term) I cannot find that quote credited to Ms. Fonda anywhere.  However, I did find this one:

I remember saying goodbye to my father the night he left to join the Navy.  He didn't have to.  He was older than other servicemen and had a family to support but he wanted to be a part of the fight against fascism, not just make movies about it.  I admired this about him.

So I guess you're not a war criminal as long as you're against the same things she is.
I also found this one:

If you're ever in a situation where you're not getting served or you can't get what you need, just cry.

Sort of shows how a celebrity thinks, doesn't it?

-"BB"-

[liberty]

As Jane Fonda once said, anyone who supports the war is as guilty of a war crime as the pilot who drops the bombs.

After doing a Google search (using that line as the search term) I cannot find that quote credited to Ms. Fonda anywhere.  However, I did find this one:

I remember saying goodbye to my father the night he left to join the Navy.  He didn't have to.  He was older than other servicemen and had a family to support but he wanted to be a part of the fight against fascism, not just make movies about it.  I admired this about him.

So I guess you're not a war criminal as long as you're against the same things she is.
I also found this one:

If you're ever in a situation where you're not getting served or you can't get what you need, just cry.

Sort of shows how a celebrity thinks, doesn't it?

-"BB"-

She said a lot and gave a lot interviews that can’t be found on the internet. I have looked for them.

[Joe Guy]

She said a lot and gave a lot interviews that can’t be found on the internet. I have looked for them.

Jane Fonda once said, "A lot of people claim that I said things that I didn't."

It's not on the internet but I'm sure she said it.

[oldr_n_wsr]

And here I thought we were "sue happy".

[RayThom]

... "I Had A Dream" speech the most. And you can, in fact, find that on the internet. Unfortunately, it's misattributed to some guy named Martin Luther King.

[MajGenl.Meade]

"I wrote that speech for Marty while waiting for Jane to get on with it"
- B. Williams

[Gob]

Can you imagine how the fight against Nazi Germany would have gone, with lawyers stalking the Brits?

[Lord Jim]

They could avoid this problem if they just painted their weapons a bright safety yellow...

[MajGenl.Meade]

That old "povidone-iodine cures everything" myth, eh?

[Fafhrd]

She said a lot and gave a lot interviews that can’t be found on the internet. I have looked for them.

Jane Fonda once said, "A lot of people claim that I said things that I didn't."

It's not on the internet but I'm sure she said it.

One thing I know Jane said was that the US received no foreign help during the American revolution (On the Dick Cavett show; I happened to be watching that night). I guess that Lafayette, Kosciusko, Pulaski, Von Steuben, Villeneuve (and his fleet of warships), and Rochambeau (and his army of 7,000 French soldiers) didn't count.

[RayThom]

... One thing I know Jane said was that the US received no foreign help during the American revolution (On the Dick Cavett show; I happened to be watching that night). I guess that Lafayette, Kosciusko, Pulaski, Von Steuben, Villeneuve (and his fleet of warships), and Rochambeau (and his army of 7,000 French soldiers) didn't count.

Faf, nothing even close to what you claim can be verified upon a search of the web. A quote that controversial would surely have her name all over it, if true. Once again, Fonda has been untagged for yet another unquote. If you have a link please post it.

[RayThom]

... One thing I know Jane said was that the US received no foreign help during the American revolution (On the Dick Cavett show; I happened to be watching that night). I guess that Lafayette, Kosciusko, Pulaski, Von Steuben, Villeneuve (and his fleet of warships), and Rochambeau (and his army of 7,000 French soldiers) didn't count.

Faf, nothing even close to what you claim can be verified upon a search of the web. A quote that controversial would surely have her name all over it, if true. Once again, Fonda has been untagged to yet another unquote. If you have a link please post it.

[Fafhrd]

Jane had an anti-war friend with her on the Cavett show; both Cavett and her friend set her straight. I was watching, and have always remembered the incident. I doubt that a Cavett show archive exists. I believe the show (No. 122) aired on January 7, 1970 (Fonda and Mark Lane were guests on that show).

[Lord Jim]

Faf, there are two rules:

1. If it's on the internet it must be true

And the corollary:

2.If it's not on the internet, it never happened.

[wesw]

there are many things that seem to be made difficult to find on the internet.

google is not non partisan

[Crackpot]

Yeah they removed all that "grain found in the pyramids" stuff just to make Ben Carson look stupid.

[dgs49]

Are the Brits too stupid to indemnify their troops against personal suits for actions taken in the context of their official duties?

Jesus.

[RayThom]

... especially made by someone so damningly idiotic, would NEVER have been missed being memorialized on the internet. The League of Geriatric Jane Fonda Haters couldn't help but make it known to any LGJFH members who needed to sling some muck at Hanoi Jane.

Youtube.com has posted every Cavett show featuring this deluded Hollywood starlet and, although she's always all puffed up on her celebrity level intellect, nowhere is anything mentioned about "the US received no foreign help during the American revolution."

Yes, it could have been said but, no, I seriously doubt it.

I do, however, remember when Illinois' future US Senator, Barack Obama, was on the old Merv Griffin show and he talked quite frankly about his early years about being born and growing up in Kogelo, Kenya. I'll post a link as soon as I find it.