King Tut

[TPFKA@W]

[wesw]

come on guys, you are being a bit (just a bit, mind you...) unfair.

liberty had to wsear he wasn t a racist before we gave him his tin foil hat. it is a requirement.

we are all silver, we wearers of the foil.

ok?

now all shiny silvers to the front and tarnished silvers to the back....

[Bicycle Bill]

Here's a couple more for you, TPFKA@W




-"BB"-

[TPFKA@W]

Here's a couple more for you, TPFKA@W




-"BB"-

Please address them to Liberty.

[liberty]

Were you to peer amid his clothing I bet you would find a white robe and hood.

A look in my closet would be very boring . Be sides if you wanted to know if I was racist all you would have to do is ask me. Has anyone ever known me to lie. You can depend on me to tell the truth. But now I must be a racist because I disagree with the afrocentric contention that ancient Egypt was a black nation. This hold thing reminds me of the story, The Emperors News Clothes. All but a few brave souls are afraid to speak the truth for fear of being branded a racist.

[liberty]

http://skepdic.com/afrocent.html

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Afrocentrism
Afrocentrism is a mythology that is racist, reactionary, and essentially therapeutic. It suggests that nothing important has happened in black history since the time of the pharaohs and thus trivializes the history of black Americans. Afrocentrism places an emphasis on Egypt that is, to put it bluntly, absurd. --Clarence E. Walker
Afrocentrism is a pseudohistorical political movement that erroneously claims that African-Americans should trace their roots back to ancient Egypt because it was dominated by a race of black Africans. Some of Afrocentrism's other claims are: the ancient Greeks stole their main cultural achievements from black Egyptians; Jesus, Socrates and Cleopatra, among others, were black; and Jews created the slave trade of black Africans.
The main purpose of Afrocentrism is to encourage black nationalism and ethnic pride as a psychological weapon against the destructive and debilitating effects of universal racism.
Some of Afrocentrism's leading proponents are Professor Molefi Kete Asante of Temple University; Professor Leonard Jeffries of City University of New York; and Martin Bernal, author of Black Athena.
One of the more important Afrocentric texts is the pseudo-historical Stolen Legacy (1954) by George G. M. James. Mr. James claims, among other things, that Greek philosophy and the mystery religions of Greece and Rome were stolen from Egypt; that the ancient Greeks did not have the native ability to develop philosophy; and that the Egyptians from whom the Greeks stole their philosophy were black Africans. Many of James' ideas were taken from Marcus Garvey (1887-1940), who thought that white accomplishment is due to teaching children they are superior. If blacks are to succeed, he said, they would have to teach their children that they are superior.
James's principal sources were Masonic, especially The Ancient Mysteries and Modern Masonry (1909) by the Rev. Charles H. Vail. The Masons in turn derived their misconceptions about Egyptian mystery and initiation rites from the eighteenth century work of fiction Sethos, a History or Biography, based on Unpublished Memoirs of Ancient Egypt (1731) by the Abbé Jean Terrasson (1670-1750), a professor of Greek. Terrasson had no access to Egyptian sources and he would be long dead before Egyptian hieroglyphics could be deciphered. But Terrasson knew the Greek and Latin writers well. So he constructed an imaginary Egyptian religion based upon sources which described Greek and Latin rites as if they were Egyptian (Lefkowitz). Hence, one of the main sources for Afrocentric Egyptology turns out to be Greece and Rome. The Greeks would have called this irony. I don't know what Afrocentrists call it.
James's pseudo-history is the basis for other Afrocentric pseudo-histories such as Africa, Mother of Western Civilization by Yosef A.A. ben-Jochannnan, one of James's students, and Civilization or Barbarism by Cheikh Anta Diop of Senegal.
Afrocentrism is being taught in many universities, colleges, and public schools.*

reader comments
further reading
books
Lefkowitz, Mary (Editor) and Guy MacLean Rogers (Editor) Black Athena Revisited (University of North Carolina Press, 1996)
Lefkowitz, Mary. Not Out of Africa - How Afrocentrism Became an Excuse to Teach Myth as History (New York: Basic Books, 1996). See my review.
Najovits, Simson. (2003). Egypt, Trunk of the Tree, Vol. 1: The Contexts and Vol. II: The Consequences. Algora Publishing.
Walker, Clarence E. We Can't Go Home Again: An Argument about Afrocentrism (Oxford University Press, 2001).
websites
Building Bridges to Afrocentrism by Egyptologist Ann Macy Roth
Afrocentrism - The Argument We're Really Having by Ibrahim Sundiata
Was King Tut a Black African?
Last updated 07-Nov-2015

[MajGenl.Meade]

"If you can't use the delete function to remove extraneous material from quotes, you may be a racist"

[rubato]

"... Has anyone ever known me to lie. You can depend on me to tell the truth. ... " .

Is self-delusion the same as lying, or different?


yrs,
rubato

[MajGenl.Meade]

Is self-delusion the same as lying, or different?

yrs,
rubato

I always suspected you didn't know the answer to that

[Lord Jim]

But now I must be a racist because I disagree with the afrocentric contention that ancient Egypt was a black nation.

You're missing the point lib, and since it's not the first time we've been over this, I don't know if you're missing the point deliberately, or if you're just not getting it...

I'm pretty sure that people on this board who have concluded you are a racist haven't done so because of any individual thing you have posted. If this were the only thing you had posted related to race, nobody would think anything of it. (As far as this particular "controversy" goes I really don't much care; I'll go with whatever the best science on the subject says about it.)

But it's not the first, or the second, or the third...

It's more like the hundredth-and-something...

Whenever you start getting slammed by someone around here for being a "racist" you always do the same thing...

Claim something like you did here; "Just because I talk about xyz, then I must be a racist"...

But that's a complete strawman, because the reason a lot of folks around here have concluded that you are a racist, (whether you are even aware of it yourself on a conscious level or not) isn't because of any one individual thing you have said...

As far as I can recall you have never posted anything as glaring as "knee-grows" or made "spook" jokes about Barack OBama...(like Dave has) where someone can look at it as a stand-alone and go, "Aha! that's definitely racist"...

No in your case, people have reached this conclusion because of a pattern of posting, over a long period of time, that indicates a near obsessive level of interest in the topic of race. (Frequently with some sort of stereo -type involved; like being surprised at the existence of blacks who like country western music.)

So at this point, I'm sure that when most people opened this thread and read the OP, their reaction was probably on the order of, "There he goes again, obsessing about race... "

If you truly do not believe yourself to be a racist lib, you might want to ask yourself why race is a topic of such great interest to you...

[TPFKA@W]

Liberty, I am sad to say that I know you better than you probably know yourself. I was raised by and influenced heavily by people who think exactly the way you do.
You are an absolute ignorant dickhead for continually posting this stuff and transparent as hell.

I vaguely recall Witchy who is probably as embarrassed as she could possibly be by you.

[liberty]

Liberty, I am sad to say that I know you better than you probably know yourself. I was raised by and influenced heavily by people who think exactly the way you do.
You are an absolute ignorant dickhead for continually posting this stuff and transparent as hell.

I vaguely recall Witchy who is probably as embarrassed as she could possibly be by you.

My daughter knows me well and she is not embarrassed by me at least not because anything having to do with racism, maybe lack style or fashion sense would be different story. If I was a racist it would seam that I would have taught my daughter to be a racist, but my daughter is no a racist. I did teach my daughter to be proud of who she is; of her ancestry and we have no reason to be ashamed of the fact we come from humble roots. I tried to teach her to believe in herself and that she could do anything she really wanted to do. Being a girl would not limit her unless she let it.

I find race interesting because of the cultural differences. I find differences interesting, similarities not so much. And there are differences: There is a separate black Miss America contest, but no black country music awards. But what I find most fascinating of all is that Afrocentric scholars claim things that are just not true.

A racist is one who believes that one race is superior to another. That is not me, I have worked with a couple black technician that I considered better technicians and smarter men than myself. I had no problem admitting that they were superior in ability to myself because it was so. That would be a strange kind of a racist don’t you think.

[TPFKA@W]

Liberty, I am sad to say that I know you better than you probably know yourself. I was raised by and influenced heavily by people who think exactly the way you do.
You are an absolute ignorant dickhead for continually posting this stuff and transparent as hell.

I vaguely recall Witchy who is probably as embarrassed as she could possibly be by you.

My daughter knows me well and she is not embarrassed by me at least not because anything having to do with racism, maybe lack style or fashion sense would be different story. If I was a racist it would seam that I would have taught my daughter to be a racist, but my daughter is no a racist. I did teach my daughter to be proud of who she is; of her ancestry and we have no reason to be ashamed of the fact we come from humble roots. I tried to teach her to believe in herself and that she could do anything she really wanted to do. Being a girl would not limit her unless she let it.

I find race interesting because of the cultural differences. I find differences interesting, similarities not so much. And there are differences: There is a separate black Miss America contest, but no black country music awards. But what I find most fascinating of all is that Afrocentric scholars claim things that are just not true.

A racist is one who believes that one race is superior to another. That is not me, I have worked with a couple black technician that I considered better technicians and smarter men than myself. I had no problem admitting that they were superior in ability to myself because it was so. That would be a strange kind of a racist don’t you think.

Why don't you just take it to a KKK board where they embrace this stuff? They will hug you and kiss you. No one here is buying your line of transparent racisim.

[Joe Guy]

A racist is one who believes that one race is superior to another. That is not me, I have worked with a couple black technician that I considered better technicians and smarter men than myself. I had no problem admitting that they were superior in ability to myself because it was so. That would be a strange kind of a racist don’t you think.

I went to a basketball game once and realized those black guys are better players than I could ever be. How could I think that and be racist?

[wesw]

well, no matter what is in liberty s heart, I think that having him here, willing to discuss his views with us is a learning opportunity and perhaps even a "teachable moment"

engagement and open discussion is a good thing, even if you despise the views of the other.

telling him to go join a kkk board is tantamount to the sticking of one s fingers into one s ears and shouting..., " la lala la laaa la..."

....unless you are dealing with a lyin' stinkin' Iranian mullah , that is..... ...or one of them there Saudi princes..., rob you blind they will....

[TPFKA@W]

well, no matter what is in liberty s heart, I think that having him here, willing to discuss his views with us is a learning opportunity and perhaps even a "teachable moment"

engagement and open discussion is a good thing, even if you despise the views of the other.

telling him to go join a kkk board is tantamount to the sticking of one s fingers into one s ears and shouting..., " la lala la laaa la..."

....unless you are dealing with a lyin' stinkin' Iranian mullah , that is..... ...or one of them there Saudi princes..., rob you blind they will....

You are a short timer here. There is a history with this poster. Just because he wants to post his shit does not mean there are any requirements on how we have to respond to it.

[MajGenl.Meade]

I went to a basketball game once (and only once) and saw all these black dudes making more money in the few minutes before the game started than I could ever make in a million years. Does that make me racist or just very jealous?

[TPFKA@W]

That reminds me: RIP Meadowlark Lemon.

[wesw]

ditto.

I saw him stand right in front of me, at half court, when I was about 6-7, and he looked at us, then the basket, and shook his head , then he looked again, and back at us, and nodded, all smiles, then he milked it a bit more, and then he threw up this perfect hook shot from half court..., right in.

then he looked at us again, with his eyes as big as saucers and such joy on his face..., then ran around celebrating like a crazy man!

I m sure that he spoke during all of this, but I don t remember the words.

and he threw a bucket of confetti at us too!

I don t know how my dad got the tickets at half court, on the floor, but there we were...

[wesw]

I think meade was on the other team, they didn t look too swift....