Toy guns should be banned

[MajGenl.Meade]

oldr - his friend gave him the gun. The same friend that removed the orange "tell". The same friend that warned him more than once not to be waving it around in public.

[oldr_n_wsr]

oldr - his friend gave him the gun. The same friend that removed the orange "tell". The same friend that warned him more than once not to be waving it around in public.

How old was the friend? and where did he get the bb-gun?

[Lord Jim]

You claim to have pointed out that criminals would paint their guns orange.

That would seem to be a little, uhh, counter-intuitive, since generally speaking it is a criminal's objective to convince the person facing the barrel that they are in fact holding a real gun...

"Hey I've got an idea. I'm going to paint the end of my real gun orange, so when I go to hold up the liquor store, the guy behind the counter will think I'm only pointing a toy at him"....

Yeah...

[Econoline]

Maybe we should close the bb-gun show loophole.

BTW, I think Airsoft guns shoot plastic pellets, not metal BBs.

Since we're now focusing mainly on the gun, rather than the shooting, I've got a few serious questions. What is the point of manufacturing nonlethal exact replicas of lethal weapons? Who buys them, and what for? Once it was decided to put a bright orange cap on all these weapons to distinguish them from the real thing, why would the manufacturer make this piece easily removable? (Or removable at all for that matter?) I'm not just playing dumb or asking for the sake of argument; I'd really like to know.

Oh, and in the Tamir Rice case, the presence or absence of the orange cap is really a non-issue: if he had the barrel stuck down in his waistband, the cops wouldn't have been able to see it anyway.

[BoSoxGal]

Actually it wasn't so facetious, @w. I was thinking maybe it's time for a change of mind

You're gonna be in trouble when @w sees you confused me for her!

[MajGenl.Meade]

It happens a lot at my age.... there's topic drift and then there's "hit reply and forget what one is replying to" drift

[Bicycle Bill]

Since we're now focusing mainly on the gun, rather than the shooting, I've got a few serious questions. What is the point of manufacturing nonlethal exact replicas of lethal weapons? Who buys them, and what for?

Because back in the day you wanted something that looked as close to the original as possible, whether it was a toy gun, a toy car, or a toy Buck Rogers rocket ship.  Heck, I still own a Daisy air rifle that bears so strong a resemblance to the Winchester Model 94 lever-action carbine (the lever-action rifle you find in just about every saddle scabbard in every Western movie ever made) that it was marketed as the "Spittin' Image" of the real thing.



-"BB"-

[Econoline]

"Back in the day" no one was asking (or had to ask) questions like this:

One of these is a real semi-automatic pistol.
The other is the gun Tamir Rice was carrying the night he was shot.
Someone has one of these in his waistband and is reaching for it.  Quick — which is which?

In the present tense, the consequences of the answers to this sort of question are often, literally, life and death. And I posed my questions in my previous post in the present tense. So, again...

What is the point of manufacturing nonlethal exact replicas of lethal weapons? Who buys them, and what for? Once it was decided to put a bright orange cap on all these weapons to distinguish them from the real thing, why would the manufacturer make this piece easily removable? (Or removable at all for that matter?)

Anyone have some answers?

[Gob]

I had one of these, no one shot me..

[dales]

I lugged this de-activated Enfield Rifle around when I was a kid.



I was the only kid on my black with a "real gun"......dam that made me feel good!

[RayThom]

I had one of these, no one shot me..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Seven_OMA

As you can see this toy gun was sold in 1964. I thought you and I were about the same age and I couldn't imagine a 15 year old running around the neighborhood with this child's toy. Obviously you are much younger. Sorry for the confusion.

[Gob]

I was 5 in '64

[dales]

I was 12 and in Jr Hi I would have sold my soul to you know who for a .22 rifle.

[Bicycle Bill]

I was 5 in '64

I was 9 in 1964, and hell yeah I wanted one of those.
Interesting thing to note — these were not generally sold through toy stores; Topper Toys sold them through grocery stores.

That must have made for some interesting grocery lists:
pound hamburger
5# potatoes
loaf bread
1/2 gallon milk
head of lettuce
butter
army toy for Junior

-"BB"-

[MajGenl.Meade]

I lugged this de-activated Enfield Rifle around when I was a kid.



I was the only kid on my black with a "real gun"......dam that made me feel good!

I think that's maybe a Martini Henry you had there, dales. There was one hanging on the wall of the woodwork shop at my grammar school in Dover (the UK one) when I was 13-16 and I wanted that thing very much.

[wesw]

I still want a .303. they are highly valued as deer rifles....

30/30 lever action is still my most desired rifle....

[dales]

I lugged this de-activated Enfield Rifle around when I was a kid.



I was the only kid on my black with a "real gun"......dam that made me feel good!

I think that's maybe a Martini Henry you had there, dales. There was one hanging on the wall of the woodwork shop at my grammar school in Dover (the UK one) when I was 13-16 and I wanted that thing very much.

Oh yeah, I had the scabbard, too!

You are EXACTLY right, Meade. ....... early onset Alzheimer's rears its ugly head.

Eventually married and some 40 years later, I gave the rifle to a dude at a local gunsmith and said he could make a lamp out it.

[dales]

30/30 lever action is still my most desired rifle....

I'll take an M-1 Carbine

[RayThom]

....30/30 lever action is still my most desired rifle....

I have a Winchester Model 94. I bought it new in 1968 so it's not the more desirable pre-64. It is, however, the most accurate and easy to shoot long gun I own. Very little recoil for the weight. My nephew uses it occasionally for deer hunting in upstate PA -- with good results.

[MajGenl.Meade]

What was my little collection... along with several more Lee-Enfields (.22, .303, .410 Indian cartridge) and an M1A Carbine



1. .44 calibre Remington 1863 New Model Army; Replica Black Powder pistol; E.N., Santa Barbara, Spain

2. .22 calibre revolver; c.1860 Smith & Wesson #1; second Issue; s/n 17728

3. 9mm calibre Pinfire Revolver; c.1865; LeFaucheux s/n 96; susp. French due Napoleon III mark. Owned by my great-grandmother; then my grandfather; then me

4. .22 calibre 4-shot pepperbox; Sharps Model 1A; 1859 Patent; s/n 12300

5. .44 calibre Colt 1860 Army; Replica Black Powder pistol; PIETTA Italy




1. Percussion Musket; Lacey & Co, London c.1855, s/n 525; military w/bayonet lug.

2. 7.65mm Rifle; Mosin-Nagant Model 1891-10 (Soviet manuf. Izhevsk Arsenal 1948); used in Korean War,
stock marked “My Gun Is My Life” in Hangul.

3 Lee Enfield .303 SMLE III*; Enfield; 1916

4. Lee Enfield .303 No 4 Mk 1/3(F) FTR