Buying the election
Buying the election
Bloomberg may jump in later this year and claims he will spend up to $1B for an independent candidacy.
Last edited by Guinevere on Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:29 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Buying the election
Bloomberg, sanders and trump....
hmmmm. interesting...
hmmmm. interesting...
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I just looked up his net worth and source of wealth.
wow, he is wall street. he and Bernie will eat each other alive.
if Hillary wins the nomination, what would that mean?
how would she and Bloomberg shape up?
will Bloomberg use his superior wealth to big league the trumpster?
I don t think that America knows him.
wow, he is wall street. he and Bernie will eat each other alive.
if Hillary wins the nomination, what would that mean?
how would she and Bloomberg shape up?
will Bloomberg use his superior wealth to big league the trumpster?
I don t think that America knows him.
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well, I just read a bit about it (NYT)
seems to me like he wants to scare people off Bernie, maybe doing Hillary a solid.
no worries..., he is bluffing.
seems to me like he wants to scare people off Bernie, maybe doing Hillary a solid.
no worries..., he is bluffing.
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...unless he already knows that Hillary is dropping out.
hmmmm.
hmmmm.
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It's good you can have a "conversation" with yourself.
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ok, you frazzled me with this thread
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A 3rd party or independent run is doomed from the outset. Doesn't matter who it is or how much money they have. Too many voters just look for the "D" or "R" and just vote that way.
Like NC-17 rated movies, the "establishment" won't take them seriously and the masses won't give a damn, even if they have merit. (I'm going for the strangest comparison of the day here)
The effect at best is damaging to whichever party the "alternative" is closest to, since they draw off a fair percentage. Not enough to keep the big 2 from getting at least 40% each, but enough to possibly swing an election.
Like NC-17 rated movies, the "establishment" won't take them seriously and the masses won't give a damn, even if they have merit. (I'm going for the strangest comparison of the day here)
The effect at best is damaging to whichever party the "alternative" is closest to, since they draw off a fair percentage. Not enough to keep the big 2 from getting at least 40% each, but enough to possibly swing an election.
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If the choice is between Trump and Sanders, I will stand resolutely with Michael Bloomberg...
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I might agree with you though I'm Leary of the whole "business man" idea after suffering Snyders to incompetence.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.
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(Assuming of course, that in such a hideous "Trump-Sanders" nightmare scenario that General Dunford does not intervene to do his patriotic duty...which I would fully support..)Lord Jim wrote:If the choice is between Trump and Sanders, I will stand resolutely with Michael Bloomberg...
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If the other choices are Trump and Sanders?Crackpot wrote:I might agree with you though I'm Leary of the whole "business man" idea after suffering Snyders to incompetence.
Personally, I would prefer having our country run by malevolent 50's era space aliens rather than putting either of those two rodeo clowns in charge...
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Are you not being disrespectful to rodeo clowns; after all , they have an important function?Lord Jim wrote:If the other choices are Trump and Sanders?Crackpot wrote:I might agree with you though I'm Leary of the whole "business man" idea after suffering Snyders to incompetence.
Personally, I would prefer having our country run by malevolent 50's era space aliens rather than putting either of those two rodeo clowns in charge...
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You make a good point lib...
A rodeo clown would be a singular and pronounced improvement over Trump or Sanders...
To make that comparison is insulting to rodeo clowns....
A rodeo clown would be a singular and pronounced improvement over Trump or Sanders...
To make that comparison is insulting to rodeo clowns....
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Well it's possible sanders could wise up on foreign policy.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.
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And it's possible that monkeys might fly from my butt...Crackpot wrote:Well it's possible sanders could wise up on foreign policy.
Sanders is even weaker and more naive on foreign policy, national security and national defense then Obama...
The very last thing we need...
This is why I could actually hold my nose, (well, more like put on a gas mask) and vote for Hillary if Trump is the GOP nominee; all the evidence suggests that she is at least marginally stronger in these critical areas then either Obama or God forbid, Sanders...(She was one of the strongest advocates in the Obama Administration for taking action in Libya, she was opposed to his thumb-up-the-ass do-nothing policy in Syria which has resulted in disaster, etc. )
Trump "sounds" strong in these areas, but he's just a know-nothing gasbag who would probably alienate every national leader on the planet, (except for his hero Vladimir Putin and maybe Benjamin Netanyahu) including all of those we need (in NATO and in the region) to bring into a military coalition to take down the ISIS "caliphate"...
It doesn't make sense to replace do-nothing with know-nothing...
I guess maybe I just have unreasonably high expectations, but I would prefer a President who both knows what they are doing and actually has the commitment to exert the US leadership needed to do what needs to be done...
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Bloomberg is an interesting candidate. He ran for Mayor as a Republican but has abandoned them because of their requirement for mindless conformity with their hopelessly failed and naive policies. And because of their rejection of science.
He is a liberal on social issues and a moderate elsewhere. He is willing to take political risks to address pressing problems (the sugary drink thing, gun control) rather than just allowing us to go on getting worse.
He has no background in foreign policy but knowing nothing, and knowing that he knows nothing is better than the Cheney-Bush era (who spent more than a trillion installing a corrupt Shiia government in Iraq!)or anyone in the current Republican field.
He does not have the stink of greed about him that Hillary does. (But that is debatable, he may have been just as unsavory back when he was amassing his billions) And he is no more 'buying the election' than she is.
I'd like to see him run in any combination of (Trump/Cruz/Rubio) vs (Clinton/Sanders) vs Bloomberg.
At the least it would produce more interesting and articulate 3-way debates than the 2-ways would be.
And a non-partisan in the WH has a different opportunity to break up the partisan deadlock the Republicans have created.
My personal preference ranking at the moment is:
Sanders
Clinton
Bloomberg
My political preference is
Clinton
Bloomberg
Sanders
But these can change.
The Republicans are all mental and moral train wrecks. Until one of them grows a set and starts reforming the Republican Agenda into something which shows respect for science and facts and stops pandering to racism, xenophobia and hatred, they are all hopeless idiots. Rubio put one, one, of his tiny little insect feet outside the circle of orthodoxy on illegal immigration and is now twitching and dancing the tarantella trying to pretend he didn't.
yrs,
rubato
He is a liberal on social issues and a moderate elsewhere. He is willing to take political risks to address pressing problems (the sugary drink thing, gun control) rather than just allowing us to go on getting worse.
He has no background in foreign policy but knowing nothing, and knowing that he knows nothing is better than the Cheney-Bush era (who spent more than a trillion installing a corrupt Shiia government in Iraq!)or anyone in the current Republican field.
He does not have the stink of greed about him that Hillary does. (But that is debatable, he may have been just as unsavory back when he was amassing his billions) And he is no more 'buying the election' than she is.
I'd like to see him run in any combination of (Trump/Cruz/Rubio) vs (Clinton/Sanders) vs Bloomberg.
At the least it would produce more interesting and articulate 3-way debates than the 2-ways would be.
And a non-partisan in the WH has a different opportunity to break up the partisan deadlock the Republicans have created.
My personal preference ranking at the moment is:
Sanders
Clinton
Bloomberg
My political preference is
Clinton
Bloomberg
Sanders
But these can change.
The Republicans are all mental and moral train wrecks. Until one of them grows a set and starts reforming the Republican Agenda into something which shows respect for science and facts and stops pandering to racism, xenophobia and hatred, they are all hopeless idiots. Rubio put one, one, of his tiny little insect feet outside the circle of orthodoxy on illegal immigration and is now twitching and dancing the tarantella trying to pretend he didn't.
yrs,
rubato
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Guinevere wrote:Bloomberg may jump in later this year and claims he will spend up to $1B for an independent candidacy.
Is buying an election worse when the candidate buys it for Her/Himself or when someone else is buying the candidate?
What do you think?
Yrs,
rubato
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I'm not entirely sure that Sanders believes himself capable of winning yet. If put in the position that he has to lead he just might step up to the plate and try to do the job. His politics have always been focused on the internal and frankly that's all he's really had to focus on. If put in a position of having to focus elsewhere he might surprise us. after all he doesn't strike me as a moron. (Like some other candidates)
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.
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To put it short if there's one candidate in this race capable of truly evolving his opinions it's Sanders.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.