What you need to know about the Oregon standoff

[Gob]

BURNS, Ore. -- One person was killed and another wounded as federal and state authorities arrested the leader of an armed group that has occupied a national wildlife refuge in Oregon for more than three weeks and five of his followers, the FBI said late Tuesday.

The FBI said authorities arrested Ammon Bundy, 40, his brother Ryan Bundy, 43, Brian Cavalier, 44, Shawna Cox, 59, and Ryan Payne, 32, during a traffic stop Tuesday afternoon on U.S. Highway 395. Authorities said another person, Joseph Donald O'Shaughnessy, 45, was arrested by Oregon State Police in Burns.

Shots were fired during the arrest and one person was killed. The person's identity was not released, pending notification of his next of kin. The FBI said he was the "subject of a federal probable cause arrest."

Another person suffered non-life threatening injuries and was transported to a local hospital for treatment, the FBI said. He was arrested and is currently in custody.

Each person arrested faces a federal felony charge of conspiracy to impede U.S. officers from discharging their official duties through the use of force, intimidation, or threats, the FBI said.

The group began occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in eastern Oregon on Jan. 2 to protest federal land use policies. Bundy is the son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who was involved in an armed standoff with the government over grazing rights in 2014.

Highway 395 at the intersection of U.S. 20 north of Burns -- not far from the wildlife refuge -- was closed in both directions Tuesday night, CBS affiliate KOIN reported.

Bundy was expected at a meeting with community members in John Day on Tuesday, but never showed up, KOIN reported.

The fate of the other militia members still at the refuge was unclear.

"We continue to work with Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward and his deputies; Oregon State Police; and the United States Attorney's Office to address any further outstanding issues," the FBI said.

[Long Run]

Compared to the Rajneeshees, these guys were pikers in Oregon history.

[MajGenl.Meade]

What a good outcome; all those who opined that "if they were black, the cops woulda shot 'em" will now be happy. Won't they?

[Crackpot]

Not r ally they had a month to contemplate giving up.

[Sue U]

[MajGenl.Meade]

Not really they had a month to contemplate giving up.

They needed every minute of it - country folk, ya know?

[Econoline]

Sue: that was...just...perfect!

[oldr_n_wsr]

Aren't there still some left in the cabin?

[rubato]

.... meanwhile .... Cliven Bundy is still getting away with ripping off the taxpayers for north of a million dollars.



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[MajGenl.Meade]

Shawna Cox

Isn't that Bruce Jenner's new name?

[Crackpot]

So much for Che claim that the fatality was an execution

[Lord Jim]

So much for Che claim that the fatality was an execution

Yeah, you just can't trust Che...

[wesw]

an interesting discussion of the underlying issues...

c span-federal land management in the western states



http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... tf34KkuoYQ

[Long Run]

There are important issues about the use of western lands and promises being broken by the feds. However, having Bundy be the spokesman for the issues is a bit like having Adam "Pacman" Jones be the spokesman for bad NFL refereeing.

[rubato]

There are important issues about the use of western lands and promises being broken by the feds. However, having Bundy be the spokesman for the issues is a bit like having Adam "Pacman" Jones be the spokesman for bad NFL refereeing.

Issues like "Gimme gimme gimme. Me want more!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Tran ... _Lands_Act

"... The State of Utah passed legislation in 2012—the Utah Transfer of Public Lands Act—to require the Federal government to grant the majority of federal land in the state back to the state of Utah after 2014. According to Donald J. Kochan, the federal government promised to transfer these lands to the State in the Utah Enabling Act of 1894.[1] .... "

Now if they were asking for the right to BUY the public lands and willing to have free markets determine the prices that might be a different thing; but all these greed-monsters want are trillion-dollar handouts.

"this land is your land, this land is my land, you want to have it, you will have to pay."


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[MajGenl.Meade]

There are important issues about the use of western lands and promises being broken by the feds.

[Guinevere]

There are important issues about the use of western lands and promises being broken by the feds. However, having Bundy be the spokesman for the issues is a bit like having Adam "Pacman" Jones be the spokesman for bad NFL refereeing.

Go ahead, I'm listening, let's hear them.

[Sue U]

There are important issues about the use of western lands and promises being broken by the feds. However, having Bundy be the spokesman for the issues is a bit like having Adam "Pacman" Jones be the spokesman for bad NFL refereeing.

Cliven Bundy is a deadbeat and a scofflaw who should rightfully be in prison for wilfully refusing to pay grazing fees and flouting court orders to do so and to keep his cattle off federal lands.

Ammon Bundy went to Oregon ostensibly to support convicted arsonists who were going (back) to prison -- but who didn't want anything to do with him or his idiot buddies. So they had to make up some other reason to be there -- which they decided would be their own highly idiosyncratic and totally moronic interpretation of the Constitution as prohibiting federal ownership of lands.

I have no doubt that there are any number of "important issues about the use of Western lands," but armed occupation of government property and general displays of idiocy are not the way to address them.

I never knew Sitting Bull was a Catholic!

[oldr_n_wsr]

I never knew Sitting Bull was a Catholic!

Nice pick-up.
I had to look carefully to find it.

[MajGenl.Meade]

He wasn't allowed to take scalps, so......