The problems of abundance.

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The problems of abundance.

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I've mentioned before that there are problems which come from having too much, or things being too cheap (the other side of the same coin). John Steinbeck alluded to that problem in a very prescient letter to Adlai Stevenson in 1959: “If I wanted to destroy a nation I would give it too much and I would have it on its knees miserable greedy and sick.”.

So I am very glad to see someone beginning to start a more systematic look at the changes in social arrangements when we have abundance as opposed to scarcity. We were shaped by thousands of years of scarcity and our genome is pre-programmed to cope with it but we are completely unready to deal with excess.



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Economics in the Age of Abundance

BERKELEY – Until very recently, one of the biggest challenges facing mankind was making sure there was enough to eat. From the dawn of agriculture until well into the Industrial Age, the common human condition was what nutritionists and public-health experts would describe as severe and damaging nutritional biomedical stress.

Some 250 years ago, Georgian England was the richest society that had ever existed, and yet food shortages still afflicted large segments of the population. Adolescents sent to sea by the Marine Society to be officer’s servants were half a foot (15 centimeters) shorter than the sons of the gentry. A century of economic growth later, the working class in the United States was still spending 40 cents of every extra dollar earned on more calories.
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Today, food scarcity is no longer a problem, at least in high-income countries. In the US, roughly 1% of the labor force is able to grow enough food to supply the entire population with sufficient calories and essential nutrients, which are transported and distributed by another 1% of the labor force. That does not account for the entire food industry, of course. But most of what is being done by the remaining 14% of the labor force dedicated to delivering food to our mouths involves making what we eat tastier or more convenient – jobs that are more about entertainment or art than about necessity.

The challenges we face are now those of abundance. Indeed, when it comes to workers dedicated to our diets, we can add some of the 4% of the labor force who, working as nurses, pharmacists, and educators, help us solve problems resulting from having consumed too many calories or the wrong kinds of nutrients.

More than 20 years ago, Alan Greenspan, then-Chair of the US Federal Reserve, started pointing out that GDP growth in the US was becoming less driven by consumers trying to acquire more stuff. Those in the prosperous middle class were becoming much more interested in communicating, seeking out information, and trying to acquire the right stuff to allow them to live their lives as they wished. ... "

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In a word "We are spoiled ".

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Fair enough.
In other words, they will be targeted by those who do not have their wellbeing as their primary goal – scammers like Bernie Madoff, corporate interests like McDonalds or tobacco companies, the guru of the month, or cash-strapped governments running exploitative lotteries.

Problems like these will require a very different type of economics from the one championed by Adam Smith. Instead of working to protect natural liberty where possible, and building institutions to approximate its effects elsewhere, the central challenge will be to help people protect themselves from manipulation.

To be sure, it is not clear that economists will have a comparative advantage in addressing these problems
(1) do "economists" have our well-being as their primary goal? Given a history that includes more back-biting and divisive theories than oh... an actual science... why should anyone believe any particular economist is any more morally motivated than "the guru of the month"?

(2) When exactly have economists "(worked) to protect natural liberty"? I'm not saying they haven't - merely asking the question

(3) "To be sure" it certainly isn't clear at all. Economists are like the mouse in the pocket; they sway political action this way or that depending upon the flavor of the month. Fed Reserve I suppose is the most obvious example of how an economist can (depending upon one's view) help or hinder the country.

The purpose of the article is rather obscure, no? There is proposed the idea that abundance creates new kinds of problems... but that is hardly news to anyone who has paid attention to the issues of garbage, for example. Abundance produces new kinds of problems of disposal. It is highly disputable, in my view it is simple-minded, to assert that the desire for "more stuff" is no longer the driver for the middle class (and all others); dressing it up as need for "communication" and "information" is merely to recognize the excessive demand for notepads, smartphones and the latest chicery in restaurants. (I made that word up).

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That's all quite interesting...

So then, would poverty be a better choice?
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If you recall, LJ...

rube has no problem with gasoline running at around $7/ US Gallon.

To hell with the working poor who need their cars to get to work. :fu

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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dales wrote:If you recall, LJ...

rube has no problem with gasoline running at around $7/ US Gallon.

To hell with the working poor who need their cars to get to work. :fu
Yes, I do recall that Dale....

Rube couldn't care less, so long as he and Frau Rube can drive whenever and where ever they care to... ;) :ok
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