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is unquestionably the most important one they've had, and are likely to have. It's do or die time for a lot of folks:

A lot of the debate will no doubt look like a Marco Rubio Roast, because every other person on that stage has a huge interest in trying to take him down. The three other "establishment" candidates who are trailing him desperately want to move into his position, Trump wants to make sure he doesn't pass him and hand him his second consecutive defeat, and Cruz doesn't want Rubio leaving him in third place and wrecking his "two man race" narrative...

(the only one who may not get involved in the Rubio bashing is Carson, because he's just not the type...come to think of it Kasich might not either, since he's been moving up in New Hampshire pretty well without engaging in that sort of thing)

So long as Marco doesn't get rattled by the on-slaught (and given his composure to date, there's no reason to think he will be) I doubt it will hurt him much. In Iowa, Cruz and Jeb spent multiple millions in negative ads against him in the closing days of the race, to no effect.

Jeb will probably go on at least through South Carolina regardless of what happens in NH next Tuesday, and there's strong indication that Kasich could also finish well enough (the latest polls have him edging past Cruz into third place) to justify continuing.

The real Dead Man Walking is Chris Christie; despite all the time he's spent, and events he's held in the state, the polls have him dropping back down to around 4%; if that holds on election day, he'll be out. (I'm sure he knows this; I expect him to be the biggest anti-Rubio pit bull tonight.)

Another interesting dynamic of this primary is this:
About a third of GOP primary voters said they're still trying to decide whom to support.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-donald ... ond-place/

That's a huge percentage, (on the Demo side it's about half that) and it's particularly good news for Rubio and Kasich who have the lowest unfavorable ratings, and thus the best chance to grow their support.

It's horrible news for Trumpty, who does extremely poorly with late deciders. Only about 18% of those who decided in the last days who to vote for in Iowa picked Trump...

If you think about it, this makes perfect logical sense. People who decide who to vote for late in the process, (especially in these early nominating contests where the voters really take their participation seriously) are folks who tend to be giving their choice a lot of thoughtful consideration...

The percentage of folks who give their vote a lot of thoughtful consideration who after that process are going to decide to vote for Donald Trump, is always going to be very tiny, by definition. His success model relies on people not thinking. "thoughtful consideration" is like Kryptonite to Trump's candidacy...
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I don't know whether to watch it or not. The last one was utterly terrible - moderators who think they are the ones who should be speaking make me angry. Their questions dragging in people's families are sickening. They are not moderators at all but journalists provoking headline moments.

...and they were almost as bad as the candidates - mean people being mean, cheap and very unsubstantive.
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I thought the last GOP debate was the most substantive one they've had...

Made possible primarily by the absence of Donald Trump...
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"Debate" What "debate"? They have all signed on with the "deport everybody" racist ticket, they all want to enrich the top 1% at the expense of the bottom 80%, they have all said that Muslims are inhuman monsters that cannot be trusted ( and they lie about the fact that Bush II actually created Isis with his lies about WMD in Iraq!).

They all lie about Reagan's record ( he raised taxes when his stupid programme created huge deficits).

Debate? quién es más macho !

A dick waving contest between eunichs. Nothing. They are relieved to have Trump taking all of the attention and all of the heat because they are nothings. Bush II was the worst president in 100 years but any one of this Klown Krewe would set a new record.

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rubato wrote:"Debate" What "debate"? They have all signed on with the "deport everybody" racist ticket, they all want to enrich the top 1% at the expense of the bottom 80%, they have all said that Muslims are inhuman monsters that cannot be trusted ( and they lie about the fact that Bush II actually created Isis with his lies about WMD in Iraq!).

They all lie about Reagan's record ( he raised taxes when his stupid programme created huge deficits).

Debate? quién es más macho !

A dick waving contest between eunichs. Nothing. They are relieved to have Trump taking all of the attention and all of the heat because they are nothings. Bush II was the worst president in 100 years but any one of this Klown Krewe would set a new record.

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Gob wrote:
rubato wrote:"Debate" What "debate"? They have all signed on with the "deport everybody" racist ticket, they all want to enrich the top 1% at the expense of the bottom 80%, they have all said that Muslims are inhuman monsters that cannot be trusted ( and they lie about the fact that Bush II actually created Isis with his lies about WMD in Iraq!).

They all lie about Reagan's record ( he raised taxes when his stupid programme created huge deficits).

Debate? quién es más macho !

A dick waving contest between eunichs. Nothing. They are relieved to have Trump taking all of the attention and all of the heat because they are nothings. Bush II was the worst president in 100 years but any one of this Klown Krewe would set a new record.

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So you agree with LJ? Well that's so nice. A confluence of ignorance.


How's that deal with the EU going?

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rubato wrote:
How's that deal with the EU going?

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Which "deal"? The one I oppose? Going great guns, it's lead to a 9% increase in "out" supporters thanks.
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I can't speak for rubato (perhaps he's into the liquor cabinet).

I really don't drink adult beverages.

However....

It's a BEAUTIFUL Saturday.......nice buzz going. :ok

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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I can't speak for rubato (perhaps he's into the liquor cabinet).
Judging from his last couple of posts, (and his previous history) ain't no "perhaps" about it... ;)
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Well, it looks like Rubio shot himself in the foot last night, getting his needle stuck on his record in an early exchange with Christie... :roll:

He got a lot better after that, and didn't let it throw him off for the whole debate...we'll see what effect if any that boneheaded move has in the poll results...

I suspect though if Rubio has stumbled the beneficiary is more likely to be Kasich then Christie; John turned in a solid performance without being the target of any attacks, and has been showing upward momentum, (as opposed to Christie, who's been heading steadily downward...also, despite his broken record routine, Marco counter-punched pretty strongly on Christie's record as governor)

Trump seemed a bit subdued (at least for him; he only took a few gratuitous cheap shots) Cruz was his usual oily self, Jeb finally managed to best Trumpty in an exchange, (easily Jeb's best debate; a pity he couldn't have performed like this from the beginning) and once again Ben Carson blended into the wall paper...

There you have it...My post debate analysis...

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The Republican presidential debate was a bit like the final act of a horror film.

The monster had already eaten half the teens at the summer camp, and those left were wondering who was next to go.

Some of the candidates seemed like they were ready to fight.

Some of them looked like they wanted to hide or run.

And Ben Carson acted like he didn't care whether the monster got him or not.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35515562
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And Ben Carson acted like he didn't care whether the monster got him or not.
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Well, in an election cycle where I have had way more than my fair share of wrong predictions, :oops: at least I got one right:
The real Dead Man Walking is Chris Christie; despite all the time he's spent, and events he's held in the state, the polls have him dropping back down to around 4%; if that holds on election day, he'll be out....

...if Rubio has stumbled the beneficiary is more likely to be Kasich then Christie; John turned in a solid performance without being the target of any attacks, and has been showing upward momentum, (as opposed to Christie, who's been heading steadily downward...
It looks like Christie will now be leaving the race...

By all rights Carson and Fiorina should be getting out too, but neither of them has a day job, so they may hang on a while longer...
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Lord Jim wrote: It looks like Christie will now be leaving the race...
Damn, I guess that means he's coming back here. Oh well, his absence was nice while it lasted.
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From Charlie Pierce's NH primary recap on his political blog: "We here at the shebeen would like to thank Chris Christie for the fine way he fulfilled his mission—wrapping his arms around Young Marco Rubio and hurling himself off a cliff." :ok
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