BB, I gave numerous examples of concrete things that trump has said about healthcare and I provided numerous concrete policy positions that trump has advocated.
just because you say he hasn t said anything concrete, because you heard somewhere that he hasn t said anything concrete, since you obviously have only seen cherry picked clips from his speeches and not bothered to listen yourself, does not make what you say or heard true.
your argument is therefore without merit and I ll leave it at that.
RR is obviously wiser and is choosing to investigate what I said that trump has advocated before he says that I am full of shit.
since you are writing without much info on the topic perhaps it would be best to wait until you hear back from RR....
remind you of anyone?
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Bicycle Bill
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Re: remind you of anyone?
I recall you posted a clip of one of Trump's stump speeches in Iowa that ran a little more than an hour. Sorry, but I do not have time to devote to wading through an hour of drivel, egotism, rhetoric, and other chaff in the hopes of finding one or two kernels of value — and that was just *one* speech. That's why I turn to other news agencies like the NY Times, the Chicago Tribune, the AP, or Reuters and read their reports. I let them and their staff winnow through all the fluff and folderol to discover and publish the nuggets of truth when and if they are there to be found.
And so far, I haven't heard of any.
In fact, he has been extremely silent if not downright evasive on some of his other talking points. Take that wall he proposed along the Mexican border, the one he said he was going to get the Mexicans to pay for? How is it going to be contructed? Are we going to have the American equivalent of the Berlin Wall along our southern border, complete with barbed wire fences, concertina wires, guard towers with machine-gun nests, and "no-man's zones" patrolled by unleashed dogs? And I've yet to hear of how he is going to put up something like that and then convince another independent, sovereign nation to fork over the cost of building it.
Or how about the way he popped off about rounding up and deporting all the illegals, or altering the citizenship rules to eliminate the "anchor child" loophole, or his database and special papers for all Muslim-Americans? I haven't seen any other concrete ideas as to how he's going to make these work, either. But I will offer a suggestion as to the Muslim-American thing. Maybe he could make them wear a symbol, like a yellow crescent, on their clothes...(I was going to suggest a star, but that's been done already). Or there's always the possible of giving them their own separate areas — "Muslim Reservations". It's a proven policy (ask any Native American), and he could even build government-provided housing for them using the same plans from 1942 for the camps built for another group of people during one of our country's less-shining hours.
Nope, Trump is this generation's Ross Perot — another outspoken billionaire who self-financed his own presidential run and, during the early stages of the 1982 campaign, was also polling higher than both the incumbent president (Bush) and the Democratic contender (Clinton). But he too found that there was more to campaigning than shocking statements and soundbites, first dropping out entirely before "reconsidering" and rejoining the campaign trail, only to wind up a distant third.
Trump won't even do that well. He may well be a presence in the nomination process at the Republican convention, but one doesn't have to be a political oracle to know that he has little or no chance of being the party's standard bearer. His best hope is that whoever does get the nomination taps him as his running mate... and my personal opinion is that this scenario is highly unlikely as well.
And if he does try to run an independent campaign in the footsteps of Perot or an earlier demagogue, George Wallace, he will do nothing but further fragment the Republican party and all but guarantee another Democrat in the White House for the next four years.
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And so far, I haven't heard of any.
In fact, he has been extremely silent if not downright evasive on some of his other talking points. Take that wall he proposed along the Mexican border, the one he said he was going to get the Mexicans to pay for? How is it going to be contructed? Are we going to have the American equivalent of the Berlin Wall along our southern border, complete with barbed wire fences, concertina wires, guard towers with machine-gun nests, and "no-man's zones" patrolled by unleashed dogs? And I've yet to hear of how he is going to put up something like that and then convince another independent, sovereign nation to fork over the cost of building it.
Or how about the way he popped off about rounding up and deporting all the illegals, or altering the citizenship rules to eliminate the "anchor child" loophole, or his database and special papers for all Muslim-Americans? I haven't seen any other concrete ideas as to how he's going to make these work, either. But I will offer a suggestion as to the Muslim-American thing. Maybe he could make them wear a symbol, like a yellow crescent, on their clothes...(I was going to suggest a star, but that's been done already). Or there's always the possible of giving them their own separate areas — "Muslim Reservations". It's a proven policy (ask any Native American), and he could even build government-provided housing for them using the same plans from 1942 for the camps built for another group of people during one of our country's less-shining hours.
Nope, Trump is this generation's Ross Perot — another outspoken billionaire who self-financed his own presidential run and, during the early stages of the 1982 campaign, was also polling higher than both the incumbent president (Bush) and the Democratic contender (Clinton). But he too found that there was more to campaigning than shocking statements and soundbites, first dropping out entirely before "reconsidering" and rejoining the campaign trail, only to wind up a distant third.
Trump won't even do that well. He may well be a presence in the nomination process at the Republican convention, but one doesn't have to be a political oracle to know that he has little or no chance of being the party's standard bearer. His best hope is that whoever does get the nomination taps him as his running mate... and my personal opinion is that this scenario is highly unlikely as well.
And if he does try to run an independent campaign in the footsteps of Perot or an earlier demagogue, George Wallace, he will do nothing but further fragment the Republican party and all but guarantee another Democrat in the White House for the next four years.
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Yes, I suppose I could agree with you ... but then we'd both be wrong, wouldn't we?
Re: remind you of anyone?
well, I read your first paragraph, BB.
since you obviously have no first hand info and are only relying on info that has been run thru the prism of whatever medium it has been passed thru, I will decline to read, or debate, further.
it isn t sporting or worthwhile to debate an uninformed opponent.
since you obviously have no first hand info and are only relying on info that has been run thru the prism of whatever medium it has been passed thru, I will decline to read, or debate, further.
it isn t sporting or worthwhile to debate an uninformed opponent.
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Re: remind you of anyone?
Trump in particular, but others as well, just get a free pass on outrageous statements. CNN ran an interesting series of interviews with various candidates this week, with about a half hour for each one. I found this more informative than the so-called 'debates' that have been running. All of them make extreme statements, but the interviewer just lets it pass, never says Do you really mean that, or even Huh?
For example, Cruz was asked about the current curfluffle between the FBI and Apple over the password feature on the iPhone 5, belonging to two dead shooters in San Bernadino. Cruz said we are in a dangerous war with ISIS and we must use all the tools we have to fight them. Nobody said: Really? All?
During WWII we rounded up American citizens of Japanese ethnicity and put them in concentration camps. That is a tool we have. Do you think we now should put all middle-easterners in similar camps? Do you really mean ALL?
Back when Trump first began he talked about how he could get things done because he was the great deal-maker. We really need a wall on our Southern Border and I will get Mexico to pay for it. Nobody asked: Mr. Trump, you are the deal maker with lots of money. You say this wall is essential. What are you waiting for? Why don't you make a deal NOW, with the governors and people down there, and government of Mexico to build the wall now? [show me the wall and I will show you not ladders, but tunnels]
You must remember, Mr. Trump is a real estate developer, who got into the business the old-fashioned way, he inherited it. He knows little of the real powers of the President or executive branch, the constraints on a limited national government, even the requirements of ordinary civil or criminal law. He has always used hired lawyers to get what ever he wants, confident that any problem will go away his he shouts loud enough and throws more money at it. He believes everything is for sale. He thinks he can create civil war battles where no military historian can find them. Reality is very flexible for Mr. Trump, it is all just marketing a brand.
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For example, Cruz was asked about the current curfluffle between the FBI and Apple over the password feature on the iPhone 5, belonging to two dead shooters in San Bernadino. Cruz said we are in a dangerous war with ISIS and we must use all the tools we have to fight them. Nobody said: Really? All?
During WWII we rounded up American citizens of Japanese ethnicity and put them in concentration camps. That is a tool we have. Do you think we now should put all middle-easterners in similar camps? Do you really mean ALL?
Back when Trump first began he talked about how he could get things done because he was the great deal-maker. We really need a wall on our Southern Border and I will get Mexico to pay for it. Nobody asked: Mr. Trump, you are the deal maker with lots of money. You say this wall is essential. What are you waiting for? Why don't you make a deal NOW, with the governors and people down there, and government of Mexico to build the wall now? [show me the wall and I will show you not ladders, but tunnels]
You must remember, Mr. Trump is a real estate developer, who got into the business the old-fashioned way, he inherited it. He knows little of the real powers of the President or executive branch, the constraints on a limited national government, even the requirements of ordinary civil or criminal law. He has always used hired lawyers to get what ever he wants, confident that any problem will go away his he shouts loud enough and throws more money at it. He believes everything is for sale. He thinks he can create civil war battles where no military historian can find them. Reality is very flexible for Mr. Trump, it is all just marketing a brand.
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