Trump Attacks the Pope

[Econoline]

From what I understand Papa Francesco was answering a direct question during a news conference on his plane on the way home from Mexico. And yes, he did answer in Spanish.

That's correct! Here is the Pope's actual quote in Spanish -

"Un hombre quien solamente thinkos abouta el wall constructo y no bridgeo constructo es no follero de Cristo. Es no gosipolo jowever. Yo givo el Trumpo benefito de doubtamundo."

It's important to know exactly what the Pope said before commenting.

Coming back a little late to this...but just for the record, here are the actual question and the Pope's actual response, in Spanish:

Pregunta: Usted hoy habló muy elocuentemente de los problemas de la inmigración. Del otro lado de la frontera hay una campaña electoral muy dura. Uno de los candidatos de la Casa Blanca, republicano, Donald Trump, en una entrevista recientemente dijo que usted es un hombre político y hasta dijo que usted es un instrumento del gobierno mexicano para la política migratoria. Trump dijo que si es electo quiere construir 2500 kilómetros de muro a lo largo de la frontera, quiere deportar 11 millones de inmigrantes ilegales, separando familias, etc. Quisiera preguntarle ante todo ¿qué piensa de estas acusaciones en su contra y si un católico norteamericano puede votar por una persona así?

Respuesta: Gracias a Dios que dijo que yo soy político, porque Aristóteles define a la persona humana como un animal politicus. Al menos soy una persona humana. Y que soy un instrumento, quizás, no sé. Lo dejo al juicio de ustedes, de la gente. Y después, una persona que piensa sólo en hacer muros, sea donde sea, y no hacer puentes, no es cristiano. Esto no está en Evangelio. Después, lo que usted me decía, sobre qué aconsejaría, votar o no votar, no me meto. Solo digo: este hombre no es cristiano si es que dice esto así, hay que ver si dijo así las cosas, y doy el beneficio de la duda.

[wesw]

I love the smell of desperation in the morning....

the hatred is palpable...

what is that giant sucking sound?

it is the sound of all reason and rationality, and the sound of ideas andcommonsense, leaving the brains of the inhabitants of ivory towers....

ha ha ha ha!

the Hispanics LOVE me!!!!

[Big RR]

Wes--if you are referring to the quote econoline posted, exactly where is the desperation?

From what I read, the pope discussed what mindset a Christian should have (which is what church leaders do), and then made the statement that someone who talks only about building walls, but not bridges, is not a Christian. He continued to say that no catholic person should vote for a person like that (in response to a direct question) and said, again, that a person who says such things is not a Christian, but that he would give any person [so accused] the benefit of the doubt.

IMHO, that showed a lot of restraint, given the way he has condemned other world leaders for their positions on immigration and addressing poverty, not desperation. I personally wish he had not said such a person was not Christian (since I don't think any human is the arbiter of that), but he more addressed the political view than the person. Contrast that with Trump's asinine response of a pope paying that he had been president when ISIS marched on the vatica.n.l

[wesw]

the desperation was calling trump supporters KKK supporters.

the new York daily news has guaranteed trump wins new Hampshire and south Carolina if he gets to the general, and it s looking good that he will, by what they have said about the citizens of those states after they voted.

....and they say that the old rag has lost influence...

they said the freedom loving new hampsters were brain dead zombies if I recall...,

and the south carolingians were called some kind of dunces , I think....

I wonder if they ll put up an insult, including Yosemite sam, about nevadans.....

wrong, wrong, wrong......

does no one get it yet?

I m tired of explaining it.....

he who has ears, let him hear......

[Lord Jim]

I m tired of explaining it.....

he who has ears, let him hear......

The explanations of Kool-Aid drinkers tend to fall on deaf ears...


The basic "explanation" is that there is a significant percentage of the electorate that has become so frustrated, angered and fearful by years of failed governance that they have abandoned all reason and are embracing a toxic Pied Piper who parrots their frustration, anger and fear back at them...

Like any good con-artist, he tells the marks exactly what they want to hear...

The "desperation" is theirs; they are so desperate for something "different" that they have completely blinded themselves to all the glaringly obvious indications that this cynical, unprincipled flim-flam man will produce the most failed governance they have ever seen...

[MajGenl.Meade]

Understating again, LJ!

[wesw]

jim, I have great respect for your political savvy.


that being said, you don t have a clue about what is going on this year.

not a stinking clue.

the worst part is that you have closed your mind to anything other than what it already contains.

[Burning Petard]

We all, to an extent fall for con artists.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/052542 ... 1_1&sr=8-1 or

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/books ... ikova.html

Mr. Trump os a very successful con artist, major league salesman division. He has made a career of taking other peoples money in exchange for things of lesser or no value.

He has exploited the deep fears among the people of the USA of all stripes. This is the most successful mining of those fears since the American Party of the mod-1850's

Eighty percent of humanity prefers security over liberty, slavery over personal responsibility. See 'The Authoritarian Personality', Adono et al.

This work has been heavily criticized for the objectivity and precision of its research methods, but not for its general conclusions. Anti-Semitism is only a specific manifestation of the xenophobia of the authoritarian personality.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Authoritarian ... ewpoints=0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Autho ... ersonality

Snailgate

[wesw]

wrong wrong wrong.

trump is NOT the safe choice.

we are choosing essential liberty over the temporary safety of the status quo.

you may have seen the derision that I have subjected myself to here.....

are we free as a people to choose our leaders?

this is a political revolution. a peaceful overhaul of a system that has become corrupted, just as the founders envisioned.

the alternative to trump, and hope, is dissolution and , I fear, real revolution or revolutions.

the tree of liberty needs the occasional drink, but if we dissolve I fear that it will drown rather than die of thirst.

do the People have the right to guide their own course?

too many here think not, it seems.....

[Joe Guy]

A vote for Trump is a vote for None of the Above. People are tired of hearing empty promises from politicians in doublespeak, so they appreciate him because he makes his empty promises in plain English. They are willing to take a chance on Trump because they're tired of nothing getting accomplished in Washington.

When Dubya was elected, voters were looking for another president with that good ole' southern charm like Clinton - but they wanted a president who didn't screw his interns and then lie about it. After they discovered the real Dubya, they elected a president that could speak English and appeared to be a clear thinker. After experiencing the Obama presidency, people want someone they believe is a tough guy and can get things done.

What would people look for after a Trump presidency? They'd want someone who is not the presidential equivalent of a Nigerian internet scammer.

[wesw]

wrong joe.

none of the above?

come on joe.

people talk about holding their noses and voting for Hillary, not trump.
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republicans are turning out in record numbers.

if you don t see that trump will win blue collar dem votes (like Reagan) you are missing the forest for the trees.

I just hope that the attacks on trump include calling his supporters racists , bigots, Nazis, kkk members, idiots, brain dead, dunces

monkeys and stupid.

call us rednecks, call us inbreds, call us haters......

yes by all means call us haters, and use the most vile disgusting terms to do so.

insult the people.

insult the nice young democrat s father, or mother, who supports trump. call his mommy a Nazi. call his favorite uncle harry a racist.

call his or her family and friends stupid.

can you say landslide, boys and girls?

[Joe Guy]

republicans are turning out in record numbers.

if you don t see that trump will win blue collar dem votes (like Reagan) you are missing the forest for the trees.

You're drinking the Trump-Aid and the flavor is Goofy Grape...

[Long Run]

8 years ago we rolled the dice on a charismatic but unproven nominee who gained celebrity status, and promised to be different than the unpopular sitting president. And now we are about to roll the dice on a charismatic but unproven nominee who has celebrity status and promises to be different than an unpopular sitting president.

[Crackpot]

So if not Rubio who?

[Long Run]

So if not Rubio who?

It's all about The Donald, sad to say, unless something major happens.

[Bicycle Bill]

I just hope that the attacks on trump include calling his supporters racists , bigots, Nazis, kkk members, idiots, brain dead, dunces

monkeys and stupid.

call us rednecks, call us inbreds, call us haters......

We don't need to, he does it himself.  Back in an article in "People" magazine in 1998:

"If I were to run, I'd run as a Republican.  They're the dumbest group of voters in the country.  They love anything on Fox News.  I could lie and they'd still eat it up.  I bet my numbers would be terrific."

And then yesterday, talking about the Nevada caucuses — "We won with the poorly educated.  I love the poorly educated." ... and then yearns for a return to the days of bare-knuckle politics, telling a crowd he'd like to punch a protester in the face.

“There’s a guy, totally disruptive, throwing punches — we’re not allowed to punch back anymore.  I love the old days.  You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this?  They’d be carried out in a stretcher.  I’d like to punch him in the face, I’ll tell ya.”

-"BB"-

[wesw]

ah the partial quote, BB

we are wise to that tactic.

right before he mentioned winning with the poorly educated he mentioned that he won with the highly educated, which he did, resoundingly.

he won every stinking category of the GOP electorate, just as he did in south Carolina...

so nevadans are stupid..., the new hampsters are stupid...., the south carolingians are stupid.....

keep on taking the high road.....

did I mention that he won with college grads?

they must be stupid too...

we re all stupid racists and we hate jews. trump hates America and looks down on it...

keep on keepin on....

[Lord Jim]

We don't need to, he does it himself. Back in an article in "People" magazine in 1998:

"If I were to run, I'd run as a Republican. They're the dumbest group of voters in the country. They love anything on Fox News. I could lie and they'd still eat it up. I bet my numbers would be terrific."

Sorry BB...

I've seen this one before; gotta throw the Bull Shit Flag:

FALSE: Donald Trump Said Republicans Are the "Dumbest Group of Voters"

Donald Trump did not say that Republicans are the "dumbest group of voters" in a 1998 'People' magazine interview.



Origins: The above-reproduced image and quote attributed to Donald Trump began appearing in our inbox in mid-October 2015. The format is easily recognizable as one wherein words are attributed to the individual pictured, and in this case image claims that Donald Trump made the following statement in a 1998 interview with People magazine:

If I were to run, I'd run as a Republican. They're the dumbest group of voters in the country. They believe anything on Fox News. I could lie and they'd still eat it up. I bet my numbers would be terrific.

Despite People's comprehensive online content archive, we found no interview or profile on Donald Trump in 1998 (or any other time) that quoted his saying anything that even vaguely resembled the words in this meme. Trump appeared somewhat regularly in the magazine's pages before he came to star on The Apprentice, but the bulk of the magazine's celebrity-driven coverage of him back then centered on his marriages to, and divorces from, Ivana Trump and Marla Maples.

Notable about the image's apparently spurious Trump quote is its purported reference to Fox News in 1998. While the Fox News Channel was rolled out across major American news markets between 1996 and 2000 (and thus isn't entirely chronologically out of place in a circa-1998 quote), the network wasn't nearly as prominent or widely watched until the 2000 election of George W. Bush, the September 11th attacks in 2001, and the start of the Iraq War in 2002. Before that time, although Fox News was making its way into living rooms across the United States, it was not exceptionally well-known (or particularly regarded as a right-leaning outlet) in 1998.

http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/

"We won with the poorly educated. I love the poorly educated."

That one of course is true...

But the best evidence that Trump has utter contempt for his supporters and considers them to be completely brain-dead, came a few weeks ago, when he bragged right to their faces that :

“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,”

[wesw]

yeah, at least jim is honest and up front about his utter contempt for trump, BB

he doesn t need to make stuff up.

luckily you aren t bound by such annoying things as scruples...

[Bicycle Bill]

Agreed, Trump did precede my excerpt by saying we won with "the highly educated" — I can't help but wonder just what is considered 'highly educated' in the Republican Party, or just how many 'young, highly-educated, college graduates' are actually members of the party, but that's beside the point — as well as with the evangelicals, the young, and the old.  But he did not say he loved the highly educated, the evangelicals, the young, the old, etc.  He *DID* say that he loved the poorly educated.  So put whatever spin on it that you want.... bullshit, even if it's highly-polished and nicely-packaged, is still bullshit.

LJ, you are correct, I fact-checked myself after I had posted that and will acknowledge that I was misinformed about the statement from the 1998 interview — about how Republicans were "the dumbest group of voters in the country" — and will make no further references to it as this has been totally and completed busted by Snopes (although just because Trump himself didn't say it to that specific media outlet at that specific time doesn't necessarily mean that the gist of the statement is not demonstrably true).  But I'd still like to know more about his wish to return to a time when it was considered acceptable to put a beat-down on a protester.

-"BB"-