That Giant Flushing Sound...

[Big RR]

Or, being the cynical person I am, perhaps they are trying to manipulate some portion of the electorate by putting out bogus results.

[RayThom]

... Since the second of March, there have been eleven polls conducted...

The 2nd of March? In politics that's like last year. Since then, Drumpf went low tech with his new people mover:

Don't feel bad about your political prognostication. I thought the man to beat was going to be JEB!

Ain't no stoppin' him now.

[Sue U]

That Giant Flushing Sound...

From the title, I thought this thread was going to be about the Mets.

[Lord Jim]

Or, being the cynical person I am, perhaps they are trying to manipulate some portion of the electorate by putting out bogus results.

Well, the problem with that theory is, that it would require that you believe either that:

WTSP/Mason-Dixon, Suffolk University, Monmouth, and the Washington Post and Univision...

Or :

The Florida Times-Union, Trafalgar Group, FOX News, News 13/SurveyUSA, and Quinnipiac...

Were all in cahoots, in some sort of collective conspiratorial effort to give a false impression about the direction of support in the GOP Florida Primary...

Being the non-believer in conspiracy theories that I am, (especially conspiracy theories that don't make a lick of sense... ) I'm going to stick with my "there's a methodology and modeling problem here" theory...

I'm going with Occam's Razor on this one...

(And Lord Jim's Corollary: "There is no need to posit a "conspiracy" for that which can be explained by human incompetence"... )

ETA:

The 2nd of March? In politics that's like last year.

That would be an excellent point Ray, if there were some sort of consistent trend in these polls over the past nine days...

The problem is there isn't:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -3555.html

[RayThom]

Oh, no, it appears that Rubio has delivered his concession speech.

Marco, we hardly knew ye.

[wesw]

the Kasich camp replied....


we were gonna win ohio without marco s help, just like he is gonna lose florida without our help...



eta- RR got it exactly right!

how does it feel to be manipulated?



eta- sometimes you are the horse, sometimes you are the saddle....

either way you are getting ridden.....

[Lord Jim]

eta- RR got it exactly right!

how does it feel to be manipulated?

So you think it's perfectly believable that all those polling organizations (with no conceivable advantage to gain) are all conspiring together to provide false data? Even though if they turn out to be way off it will damage their reputations?

Well I guess I shouldn't be surprised...

The willingness to believe any damn fool thing is pretty much a membership requirement for the Trumpanzee Club...

Also the willingness to refuse to think things through or examine propositions with even minimal critical thinking...

Those are the exact same "skills" required to believe the polling organization conspiracy theory...

[Big RR]

FWIW, I only stated the possibility of a polling conspiracy to move the discussion along, not to say I was embracing it. Jim is right, it is hard to believe that many respected polling organizations would participate in something like that, but then not all that many years ago I would never have believed that the US government would imprison people, including US citizens) without charge, or that a large portion of the population (and even the courts) would support it, and that democratic and republican administrations would perpetuate it. In such a Lewis Carroll world, I am loathe to rule anything completely out.

[Lord Jim]

Well, the picture now looks somewhat different, and it's a pretty ugly picture for Marco...

It's no longer one poll has it single digits for Trump, and then the next has it in the 20 range, and then the next back to single digits...

Now the most recent seven polls all have it between 17 and 24 points for Trump...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -3555.html

With the vote just one day away, it will take an epic polling failure of the dimensions of the Michigan Democratic primary failure for Rubio to pull this out...

The odds of the pollsters being that wrong in two primary races in the same election cycle are pretty thin, but this has been a very weird year....

[RayThom]

Well, the picture now looks somewhat different, and it's a pretty ugly picture for Marco...
With the vote just one day away, it will take an epic polling failure of the dimensions of the Michigan Democratic primary failure for Rubio to pull this out...

You obviously missed Rubio's concession speech I posted above. No real politician would have said such a thing unless all was lost.

Maybe Rubio can resurrect himself and run against all of Slick Hill's failed policies in 2020.

God bless America.

[Lord Jim]

You obviously missed Rubio's concession speech I posted above. No real politician would have said such a thing unless all was lost.

Yes, that was quite weird too...

But my take-away from that was that Rubio wants to stay in the race even if he loses in Florida, so long as it looks like no one can get the nomination prior to the convention...

And the best way to create that situation is for Kasich to win in Ohio...

He should probably also be asking for his supporters in Illinois to vote for Cruz....

[liberty]

Of course the republicans want the cheap labor ,I dont think any of the current front runners will be good for Joe Average

I agree no one seems to care. And Clinton’s husbands signed NAFTA [and engineered the longest and largest economic expansion in our history in which all 5 income brackets rose together] ... "

fixed

yrs,
rubato

Are you saying that NAFTA and the other trade agreement have been good for blue color workers in this country, really?

[liberty]

And Clinton’s husbands signed NAFTA and started the economic decline of this country. My mother worked for GM on the factory floor and now she has a very good retirement that would be the envy of her neighbors if they knew how well off she is. There was a time that a person could work in factory making a good living, have a good retirement, buy a home and a place on the lake and send their kids to college, but those jobs are mostly gone now. The factories are in Mexico and who was the co-president that helped make that possible?

This is a myth being sold by both Sanders and Trump. There are still many good manufacturing jobs in America, they just left Detroit and they left long before NAFTA. Further, this "golden era" of U.S. factory jobs paying so well was a historical aberration mostly due to the decimation of the first world by WWII.

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Until those jobs are shipped overseas. Are you saying that people in third world countries are not capable of doing the work. Remember when NAFTA was being proposed and that brilliant genius, that little guy with the big ears, was talking about the sucking sound and those that supported NAFTA were saying don’t worry those Mexican only make brooms. How did that work out for the blue collar worker? Think about it would you pay twenty dollars an hour for a job you get done for a dollar or less an hour overseas? Everyone with common sense will eventually ship their factors oversea and this country will become third world and we can thank Bill and Hillary Clinton for it.

[Big RR]

While Bill clearly has his share of the blame (but I don't tar Hillary with that brush--I don't recall her being particularly for or against it, and I don't blame a first lady for what the president does), as I recall the bills enjoyed wide republican support as well--somewhere around 75% in Congress. There's enough blame to go around.

[liberty]

While Bill clearly has his share of the blame (but I don't tar Hillary with that brush--I don't recall her being particularly for or against it, and I don't blame a first lady for what the president does), as I recall the bills enjoyed wide republican support as well--somewhere around 75% in Congress. There's enough blame to go around.

Hillary by her own words was co-president and she allowed her co-president to sign NAFTA. She could have stopped him if she wanted to stop him, but she didn’t.

[Scooter]

Hillary by her own words was co-president

Do you feel your ass getting warm, Village Idiot?

That's your pants on fire.

[Big RR]

Hillary by her own words was co-president and she allowed her co-president to sign NAFTA. She could have stopped him if she wanted to stop him, but she didn’t.

could've stopped him? I suppose she could've stopped him with Monica and the others as well, right? Bill did what he wanted to do, and I doubt Hillary had all that much to do with his decisions, except to serve as a foil and deflect blame from him--like when he disavowed healthcare reform.