Swan Song and Bellyflop all in one.

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Swan Song and Bellyflop all in one.

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And who better than LJs choice for president, A very fat man with no sense of joie de vivre, whatsoever, at all, to flop in a big public way:


Chris Craftie Christie!


https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ri ... andom_1_na
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Since New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie has endorsed Donald Trump, he has been:

Humiliated by video showing Trump ordering him onto the plane and telling him to “go home.”
Condemned by his former finance co-chair Meg Whitman. (“The Governor is mistaken if he believes he can now count on my support, and I call on Christie’s donors and supporters to reject the Governor and Donald Trump outright. I believe they will. For some of us, principle and country still matter.”)
Excoriated for his disastrous TV interview on Sunday. Phrases like “train wreck,” “off the rails” and “disaster” were used to describe his appearance.

[Read more: The GOP will splinter]

In other words, if it had not been obvious to him before this weekend, his political career is essentially over. He has gone from someone admired for his political talent to the object of derision as an errand boy for someone who espouses fascistic ideas (e.g., punishing the press) and openly displays his bigotry (e.g., retweeting a Mussolini quote). Christie is now signed up with the man who the Anti-Defamation League on Sunday was compelled to call out for pretending initially not to know who David Duke is:
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How is it possible for someone as patently greasy and repellent in word and deed as Cristie to think he was ever a plausible candidate for anything?

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Rube, I realize that you have the memory of a tit mouse, but at the time that Christie was my first choice for the nomination, he was consistently leading Hillary Clinton in head-to-head poll match ups by a larger margin than anyone else, and he had won a landslide re-election doing well with groups that the GOP needs, including carrying a majority of the Latino vote.

I have absolutely nothing to apologize for or to feel embarrassed about for supporting a candidate who fit that profile.

Later he was no longer my first choice, but he was on my list of candidates that I could support. Believe me when I tell you that if I had any idea that he would be so feckless as to endorse Donald Trump, he would NOT have made that list.

I find little to argue with in the piece that you posted, though I would add yet another example of how Christie has willingly played the humiliated sycophant to this unprincipled demagogue that the author missed.

Earlier this week he did an event with Trumpty where they were seated, and he looked like a faux "interviewer" from one of those late night infomercials.... :roll:

And I also agree that he has humiliated himself and tanked his credibility for nothing, since if (God forbid) Trump manages to get the nomination it will be because he was able to cut a deal with one of the remaining candidates, (or even possibly Rubio) for the support of their delegates to secure a majority, and that would undoubtedly involve giving that person the Veep nomination...

I am now deeply disappointed in and disgusted with Christie, but my support for him made perfect sense at the time, given available facts that I detailed at the beginning of this post.
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rubato wrote:How is it possible for someone as patently greasy and repellent in word and deed as Cristie to think he was ever a plausible candidate for anything?

Yowza

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In the words of the great Schnozzola (Jimmy Durante), "EVERYbody wanted to get into da act!"

Seriously, Christie probably saw that the governor of Wisconsin was running and figured that even he would make a better president than Snottie Wanker could.
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Lord Jim wrote:Rube, I realize that you have the memory of a tit mouse, but at the time that Christie was my first choice for the nomination, he was consistently leading Hillary Clinton in head-to-head poll match ups by a larger margin than anyone else, and he had won a landslide re-election doing well with groups that the GOP needs, including carrying a majority of the Latino vote.

I have absolutely nothing to apologize for or to feel embarrassed about for supporting a candidate who fit that profile. ..... "


Wahhhhhhh! Too funny!


Nothing to apologise for in supporting a candidate who was foul and disgusting as long as he got Republican votes!


lack of judgement? no?


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I'd also like to address this:
How is it possible for someone as patently greasy and repellent in word and deed as Cristie to think he was ever a plausible candidate for anything?
On the very long, long, looooooong list of topics about which you know absolutely nothing, (one of the most amusing things about you rube is the way you never allow this obvious handicap to serve as any sort of restraint on your willingness to pontificate on the topic :D ) politics occupies a prominent place...

It should be apparent to even someone of your intelligence, that in order to get elected governor in a blue state as a Republican, and then re-elected in a landslide is irrefutable evidence of considerable political skills and smarts...

Certainly far more smarts than you've ever demonstrated here...

As for "foul and disgusting"...

I certainly never considered Christie to be such. I thought he was a little brusque, (of course compared to Trump he's a regular Judith Martin) but also intelligent, articulate, and effective...

And I certainly am well acquainted with "foul and disgusting" and know how to recognize it when I see it...

Afterall, I've been reading your posts for years...
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Since Christie's name has come up, I'll just drop this here... (Click the link for the article, and the list.)

Attention, Christie: 8 Bruce Springsteen Songs That Scream "Don't Endorse Trump"
New Jersey governor and erstwhile presidential candidate Chris Christie loves giving warm hugs, yelling at teachers and listening to Bruce Springsteen. But has he ever really heard his hero's lyrics? Christie's surprise endorsement of Donald Trump for president is just the latest indication that he has failed to take a single word of Bruce's songs to heart – besides, perhaps, "it's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win." Here are eight Bruce Springsteen songs that go against everything Trump believes.
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irrefutable evidence of considerable political skills and smarts...
But wouldn't you also agree that his endorsement of Trump is absolute proof of his lack of any of those skills/smarts?

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I think it was a cynical and venal attempt to throw a long ball to revive his political fortunes...

I think that he looked at his situation; his numbers are completely tanked in New Jersey, he's never going to get elected to anything there again...

Given his poor performance despite all the effort he put in, another Presidential run is out of the question...

So he decided to take a chance on Trump and hitch up to his wagon...

I think the way he probably looked at it is: "If Trump loses I'm finished politically, but I'm finished anyway, so why not take the chance? What have I got to lose?"

What he had to lose was his self-respect, any vestige of credibility, and the perception that he actually cared about the best interests of the country....

Those are apparently not items that Christie places much value on.... :(
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Those are apparently not items that Christie places much value on....
Seems like that is contageous in and around DC. :mrgreen:

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FWIW, I would have thought that it was impossible to have a lower opinion of Christie than I had before the endorsement, but I was wrong--he reached a new low. :shrug

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Lord Jim wrote:It should be apparent to even someone of your intelligence, that in order to get elected governor in a blue state as a Republican, and then re-elected in a landslide is irrefutable evidence of considerable political skills and smarts...
Aside from his Trump-lite capacity for boorish behavior and relentless hype to keep him in the news cycle, Chris Christie actually has the worst political skills of any state-level office holder in New Jersey. His election and reelection were the product of sheer dumb luck and political circumstances far beyond his influence, let alone his control.

In 2009 Christie won election with only 48% of the vote. This was because of growing dissatisfaction with incumbent Gov. Jon Corzine, who ran an indifferent reelection campaign at best, and an out-of-the-blue third-party candidacy of erstwhile Republican Chris Daggett, former regional administrator for the U.S. E.P.A. and commissioner of the state D.E.P., who ran ostensibly as an independent on what was essentially a Green platform. Virtually all of Daggett's votes came from Democrats. Meanwhile, Christie benefited from the anti-Obama backlash that surged in that first year of his presidency. Daggett managed to strip enough votes away from Corzine to allow the Obama-crazed teabaggers to put him in office.

Christie's reelection campaign came on the heels of Superstorm Sandy, and virtually the only message of the campaign was "I was governor during Sandy and hardly anybody died." If Christie had actually had to run on his record, there was absolutely no positive accomplishment or signature policy initiative he could have talked about. Christie himself was virtually invisible during the campaign -- his advisors having recognized how terrible he was when dealing with actual citizens in an uncontrolled environment, since he was always ready to be a bully and a dick. On top of that, the Democrats were wracked with party infighting between the North and South factions and within several of the larger Northern counties themselves. They had no candidate with state-wide name recognition once Cory Booker opted to run for Senator instead of Governor.

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Lord Jim wrote:he had won a landslide re-election doing well with groups that the GOP needs, including carrying a majority of the Latino vote.
New Jersey "Latinos" include a huge number of Cubans -- I think the largest U.S. population outside Miami -- and Cubans have traditionally been the one Latino voting block that is reliably Republican. And although we also have large numbers of Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Brazilians and (increasingly) Mexicans, the ethnic Cubans are far more likely to be citizens and registered to vote.

For years I have been listing here all many of the reasons Chris Christie would never be President. It's hard to believe that his candidacy was tanked because Republicans wanted a candidate even more obnoxious and less accomplished. :loon :loon :loon :loon :loon :loon
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Sue--not much that I can add except for two things:

1. In 2013 I think the campaigns the dems ran was practically nonexistent; not sure if it was the fault of Buono, or the party, or both--but there was hardly a lot of support for her and many didn't even know who she was--even on election day.

2. While Jim Casts jersey as primarily blue (and presumably democratic, since Meyner in 1954-1962 NJ has had 8 democratic and 8 republican governors; I believe the dems may have had a few more 2 term governors in the 60s, they have not had one since Brendan Byrne (74-82) while the republicans have had 3--Kean, Whitman (OK, she went to the EPA her last year, but was elected to 8 years) and Christie. We are hardly a partisan crowd when it comes to governors

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rubato wrote:

Nothing to apologise for in supporting a candidate who was foul and disgusting as long as he got Republican votes!


lack of judgement? no?
No. It's called reviewing ones views in the light of new evidence.

It's a process which scientific investigators use, not the you'd know anything about that.

But there again;
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They also lack central coherence. This is the ability to integrate individual elements of perception into an overall context of meaning, ie seeing the "bigger picture".
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I saw what Christie was, a sycophant , as jim said, when I saw him fawning over and hanging on jerry jones at a football game a while back.

he looked like a puppy with his master....

what was this about trump sending him home?

and I missed a 'train wreck' interview? ....darn...

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I don't find a context for this:

Asberger's Syndrome
They also lack central coherence. This is the ability to integrate individual elements of perception into an overall context of meaning, i.e. seeing the "bigger picture".

But it surprises me. Many commercial and government employers have found 'Aspies' very good at pattern identification, connecting the dots, taking a collection of data points and finding an overall 'big picture' more efficiently than 'neuro typicals.'

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I believe the idiot rubato to have Aspergers, snailgate.
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I opened this thread expecting to read about the Welsh rugby team... oh well... how green is your envy?
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