The Silence of the Leeks

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MajGenl.Meade wrote:Well, rubato - that's just Wales and Scotland. We English have a navy. Don't we? We did...

If LJ was referring to four vs six which were the two odd ones out? Could they be the two which aren't allowed to play with warships and nuclear weapons?


I know, it's really a toughie. Take your time with it.



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You don't say? So England does still have a navy then (I thought you'd spot the joke)? But if LJ is even remotely correct (and it would have to be remotely) then England is no more a nation than Scotland and Wales... or is that, no less of one?
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I don't really understand why Meade is having such a hard time grasping the facts about this. I suppose it begins with his incomplete, arcane, tribal definition of "nation". Here's the actual modern definition:
Full Definition of nation

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a (1) : nationality 5a (2) : a politically organized nationality (3) : a non-Jewish nationality <why do the nations conspire — Psalms 2:1 (Revised Standard Version)> b : a community of people composed of one or more nationalities and possessing a more or less defined territory and government c : a territorial division containing a body of people of one or more nationalities and usually characterized by relatively large size and independent status
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dict ... ish/nation

It should be self evident that England, Scotland and Wales are not independent. They are all part of a nation called The United Kingdom. They don't have their own militaries, they don't have the power to enter into or withdraw from treaties, they do not have independent representation in international organizations, they don't have the power to print their own currency, (Yes I know that Ireland, France and Italy don't print their own currencies, but that is by choice. England, Scotland, and Wales could not print their own currency if they wanted to.) or do any of the other things commonly associated with the powers of a modern nation...They cannot do these things because they are not sovereign or independent.

Their laws are also subordinate to British law, which are the laws passed by the Parliament of the United Kingdom...

No, it is the United Kingdom that possesses all these powers. It is the United Kingdom that is a nation in the sense that The Irish Republic , France and Italy are nations; not England, Scotland and Wales. It is silly, (and also willfully obtuse) to try to pretend otherwise...

So if this were to be a competition of "nations" where the competitors are all "nations" in the same sense with the same rights, powers, prerogatives and independence, the list would look like this:

The United Kingdom
Ireland
France
Italy

Now I may not have the greatest math skills, but I count four not six...

If they want to make it six, they can bring in two more actual nations...

As it stands, the UK gets three chances at winning (by being able to field three teams) while the other three nations only get one chance apiece.
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All of that just to announce that you purposely chopped off:
2 archaic : group, aggregation
An inconvenient truth!

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noun
1.a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own:
The president spoke to the nation about the new tax.
2.the territory or country itself:
the nations of Central America.
3.a member tribe of an American Indian confederation.
4.an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family, often speaking the same language or cognate languages.
One could go on. And let's not forget US American Indians - nations!
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archaic : group, aggregation
that could cover every club or professional sports team. :nana

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Good point, Big RR!

In Cleveland we have "Damnation"
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You might have RGIII.
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Yeah, let me know how that works out for ya.... :P
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