Religion

[Gob]

A popular shopkeeper was stabbed to death by another Muslim in a "religiously prejudiced" attack hours after posting an Easter message on Facebook to "my beloved Christian nation".

Asad Shah, 40, a devout Muslim originally from the Pakistani city of Rabwah, had his head stamped on during a savage attack, according to one eyewitness.

Around four hours earlier the victim wrote online: "Good Friday and a very Happy Easter, especially to my beloved Christian nation.

"Let's follow the real footstep of beloved holy Jesus Christ and get the real success in both worlds."



On Friday afternoon, police confirmed that a 32-year-old Muslim man had been arrested in connection with Mr Shah's death.

A spokeswoman added: "A full investigation is under way to establish the full circumstances surrounding the death which is being treated as religiously prejudiced."

n previous posts, he also called "unconditional real love for all mankind".

A police incident unit is stationed near the murder scene, while a body tent is visible.

Resident Isabella Graham, 64, said Mr Shah had previously employed her daughter at the shop. She said: "He was an amazing, wonderful man, he couldn't do enough for you. He wouldn't hurt anybody. Nobody in Shawlands would have a bad word to say about him. I can't believe he's gone."

Brothers Qaiser and Omar Khan told BBC Scotland they knew Mr Shah well and had repaired his cars in the past. They described him as "a humble, sweet person".

Omar Khan added: "I've known him since I was a wee boy so this is shocking news. He was a very straight-forward, humble person who was very good with his customers. He cared about his family a lot."

Another local resident, Robert Maitland, said: "He was very friendly. Every morning we shook hands and said 'have a nice day'. He was just a pleasant, lovely lad."

The vigil, advertised on social media, was to be held as close to the area's Waverley Gardens as the police cordon would allow. People attending were encouraged to bring a daffodil.

In a statement, Nisreen Sharif and Eildon Dyer, the organisers, said: "As a community we are coming together to mourn his death and as a small sign of sympathy towards his family."

A fundraising campaign on the GoFundMe website was set up yesterday after news of his death emerged, with the proceeds going to his family "to show how much he was cared for". It had raised more than £5,000 within six hours of being set up.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Not religion, Gob. That's irreligion.

[kmccune]

That is so freakin sad ,true Muslims should call for an end to this craziness .

[Daisy]

That is so freakin sad ,true Muslims should call for an end to this craziness .

They are doing ... But they shouldn't have to. Do you apologise for the Westboro Baptists or Donald Trump?

[MajGenl.Meade]

Bit of a difference between rude assholes and murdering bastards, innit?

[Big RR]

To a certain extent, but often the murder starts with the intolerant rhetoric that builds the hatred/mistrust over time.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Yeah but I don't feel the need to apologise for the animals at Westboro or for Trump because I don't "belong" to either group/party/person

[Big RR]

Apologize? No, I agree there is nothing to apologize for. However, pointing out that the vast majority of Christians/Evangelicals do not endorse/condemn the behavior of Westboro or share their views makes sense, lest they be lumped into the same group much as the non radical moslems are with moslem hate groups.

[Joe Guy]

That is so freakin sad ,true Muslims should call for an end to this craziness .

That's what he was doing before he was killed..

[Daisy]

Apologize? No, I agree there is nothing to apologize for. However, pointing out that the vast majority of Christians/Evangelicals do not endorse/condemn the behavior of Westboro or share their views makes sense, lest they be lumped into the same group much as the non radical moslems are with moslem hate groups.

It's Muslim not Moslem

Arabic roots of the two words are very different. A Muslim in Arabic means"one who gives himself to God," and is by definition, someone who adheres to Islam. By contrast, a Moslem in Arabic means"one who is evil and unjust" when the word is pronounced, as it is in English, Mozlem with a z. - See more at: http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/5 ... GZcU3.dpuf

And the KKK, Radovan Karadic, Anders Brevik?

All commit acts of murder and terror in the name of "White Christianity", should you apologise for them?

No of course you shouldn't, and neither should Mr Khan who runs his little market stall and is putting his three sons through medical school have to apologise for what Daeshe does. He condemns it, it's not a Muslim problem, it's a nutbag problem. People from all faiths and backgrounds can be radicalised into doing something fucking awful, but we don't feel the need to take out full page adverts to condemn it like the people of Islam are having to do and it's shameful that societies are making them feel like they have to.

Your argument holds no water.

[MajGenl.Meade]

The difference of course is that KKK/Karadic/Brevik/Westboro/Trump take actions and exhort actions that are contrary to the teachings of Jesus.

Da'esh commits crimes that are consistent with Islamic teachings

[Lord Jim]

Da'esh commits crimes that are consistent with Islamic teachings

Because Muhammad al-Meade understands Islamic teachings better than all the many Islamic Imams, scholars, and practitioners of the faith who insist that the doctrine and actions of this murderous cult (and the rest of the radical Jihadist groups) are contrary to the teachings of Islam...

[MajGenl.Meade]

Because I can read the q'ran (not in arabic thoug). Going all rubato on history are you LJ?

[Crackpot]

You can quote mine the bible as well Meade.

[rubato]

The difference of course is that KKK/Karadic/Brevik/Westboro/Trump take actions and exhort actions that are contrary to the teachings of Jesus.

Da'esh commits crimes that are consistent with Islamic teachings

Which ones are those?


The Christian church murdered apostates and thousands of 'witches' for several centuries and found scriptural support for it.


yrs,
rubato

[Big RR]

Da'esh commits crimes that are consistent with Islamic teachings

Because Muhammad al-Meade understands Islamic teachings better than all the many Islamic Imams, scholars, and practitioners of the faith who insist that the doctrine and actions of this murderous cult (and the rest of the radical Jihadist groups) are contrary to the teachings of Islam...

I was thinking the same thing. then again, I'm sure there are some who believe christians will pluck their eye out to prevent sin; no chrsitians I know believe that (maybe the snake handlers, but I've never met one), but it is in the bible. I would defer to the Islamic scholars ,, just as I would to the Christian followers.

[Burning Petard]

Big, explain why you want a scholar to explain it all for Islam, but any 'follower' is a good source for Christianity?

[Big RR]

No, it is a badly worded sentence, but I meant I would want to listen to a scholar in Christianity as well. Sometimes my thoughts get ahead of what is typed--thanks for pointing that out.

[MajGenl.Meade]

You can quote mine the bible as well Meade.

Show me an example of Christ teaching that his followers should force people into faith, take up the sword to kill, levy fines upon unbelievers until they feel "subdued" and other similar activities?

The discussion is not about how people falsely interpret things but about what things actually say. (And how far they will go to deny what is actually written).

Why all this anxious desire to pretend that Islam is not a religion of conquest and that you are the enemy?

[Burning Petard]

Well Gen'l, there is Luke 22:36 advising followers that a good sword is more important than extra clothes. But then Luke was not there and is just passing on hearsay. The real problem is that the life and sayings of Jesus is a very small fraction of 'The Bible", and many Christians believe all of it is the inerrant word of God.

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