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Lord Jim
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Maybe This Will Help Me Get Some Liberal Support ....

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For curtailing early voting:
Bernie Sanders Is Currently Winning the Democratic Primary Race, and I’ll Prove It to You

Nobody cares how well a politician does at the ballot box when he or she is running for an office unopposed. What matters is how a politician performs in contested primaries and general elections, as when it really matters — like it will, for instance, this November — you can be certain of a contested election.

With that said, let’s make an important observation: Bernie Sanders has tied or beaten Hillary Clinton in a majority of the actively contested votes this election season.

You doubt it? Okay, let me explain.

Bernie Sanders has terrible name recognition in states where he hasn’t advertised or campaigned yet; meanwhile, Hillary Clinton has universal name recognition everywhere. Realizing this, the Clinton camp pushed hard to rack up the early vote in every state where early voting was an option. They did this not primarily for the reason we’ve been told — because Clinton performs well among older voters, and older voters are more likely to vote early than other age demographics — but rather because they knew that early votes are almost always cast before the election season actually begins in a given state.

That’s right — in each state, most of the early primary voting occurs before the candidates have aired any commercials or held any campaign events. For Bernie Sanders, this means that early voting happens, pretty much everywhere, before anyone knows who he is. Certainly, early voting occurs in each state before voters have developed a sufficient level of familiarity and comfort with Sanders to vote for him.

But on Election Day — among voters who’ve been present and attentive for each candidate’s commercials, local news coverage, and live events — Sanders tends to tie or beat Clinton.

In fact, that’s the real reason Sanders does well in caucuses.

It’s not because caucuses “require a real time investment,” as the media likes to euphemistically say, but because caucuses require that you vote on Election Day rather than well before it.
More here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abra ... 28076.html

I have long argued that extensive early voting is thwarting of the democratic process, because the voters are not acting with access to the same information, which is what one should really want to be the case. People voting as much as a month or more before the actual election are voting with access to far less information to make a judgement with, than those who vote on election day.

In this election cycle, early voting has hurt Sanders and helped Trump. In the Democratic primaries the voters should all have had an opportunity to learn something about Sanders before being permitted vote, and on GOP side, all the voters should have had the opportunity to weigh the most recent outrageous things to spew from Drumpf's gob...

I believe I've mentioned this before but my proposal is this:

1.Eliminate all the early voting, except for the Saturday and Sunday before the scheduled Tuesday vote. On those two days, I would have all the polls open, and for the general election I would also make the Tuesday election day a federal holiday.

2.Restore absentee voting to what it was intended to be; an opportunity to vote for those with a legitimate reason (health, being out of state, etc.) to be unable to get to the polls. (with three possible days to vote on, there shouldn't be a lot of excuses for not being able to vote.)

I would also require that ballots being mailed in not be sent any earlier than one week before election day, and I would not count any that came in with an earlier post mark. (Obviously this policy would need to be widely publicized.)

For the democratic process to work properly, everyone who's participating needs to be doing so in at least a roughly contemporaneous fashion, with the same available information. In many states this is no longer the case.
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If it a choice between Cruz or Trump and Sanders, I would call it a choice of the evil of two lessers

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Your system....
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Sanders is losing the race by:

Clinton: 8,909,200
Sanders: 6,360,363

A margin of 2,548,837


To put it another way she has 40% more votes than he does. A lot. Whine all you like, he's not that close. Some minor difference in timing don't make up that difference.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... count.html

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State Date Clinton Sanders Spread
RCP Total - 8,909,200 6,360,363 Clinton +2,548,837

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Gob wrote:Your system....
Well, let's see how they do things over in Old Blighty:
The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is the head of Her Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom.  The Prime Minister and Cabinet (consisting of all the most senior ministers, who are government department heads) are collectively accountable for their policies and actions to the Monarch, to Parliament, to their political party and ultimately to the electorate.  The current Prime Minister, David Cameron, leader of the Conservative Party, was appointed by the Queen on 11 May 2010.

The office is not established by any constitution or law but exists only by long-established convention, which stipulates that the monarch must appoint as prime minister the person most likely to command the confidence of the House of Commons; this individual is typically the leader of the political party or coalition of parties that holds the largest number of seats in that chamber.
In light of this information, Gob, explain how *YOUR* system works so much better.  You've got some dowdy old lady who, sixty-odd years ago, sat on top of a rock (the Stone of Scone) while someone else put a fancy bonnet on her head.  SHE then appoints the PM based on the twin tenets of tradition and customary practice.  And as far as the PM and Cabinet, note the above as to whom they are accountable to — the Monarch (the same "dowdy old lady" who appointed them; no conflict of interest there!); Parliament; their political parties; and finally the electorate, in that order.

And the Parliament?  All the citizens get to do is vote on members of the House of Commons, since members of the House of Lords are life peers who are appointed by the monarch on the advice of the Prime Minister, or on the advice of the House of Lords Appointments Commission.  There are also some hereditary peers whose eligibility follows bloodlines.

If anything, the English system is even less accountable to the citizenry than the American model.  Given these present practices, it makes Monty Python's line about "Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords" seem like not that bad an idea after all.
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Well it doesn't take a year plus, and several billion dollars, and all these dog and pony shows, and delegates and super delegates, etc etc etc just to find out who will lead our political parties, that's for sure.

See also

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy ... .282015.29
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Burning Petard wrote:If it a choice between Cruz or Trump and Sanders, I would call it a choice of the evil of two lessers
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