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BoSoxGal wrote:My perfect man would live an hour away, visit a few times a month, and be really into cars or motorcycles or golfing or hunting.

Or sailing, in which case I'd go along, but be sitting up front alone a good part of the time. Just a loner by nature, I guess . . .
Lose that attitude PDQ, BoSoxGal, and find yourself someone. Man is indeed a social animal, but sometimes we don't recognize that fact until it is way too late.

I too have been pretty much of a loner for all of my 61-year life, and it took the death of my father about 20 years ago to make me begin to realize that lonely sucks — and when my mother went to join my father back last August I truly found out what it is like to be "alone". I have no close friends; I do not have any kind of romantic relationships (the one relationship I did have that I hoped might turn into something just kinda went "pfffftttt") ; and my only remaining close relative is my younger sister, who lives about 80 miles away from me and has her own life and family to deal with and tend to.

So far I can manage, but it does make me wonder what will happen when I start getting older yet, maybe ten years down the road. Most of the scenarios I am capable of envisioning are not at all enjoyable or pretty.  It's enough to make me want to sit in a dark room, close my eyes, and wish that the lights never come up again.
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That is a very sad post BB. But, you know that there are a lot of 61 year old women who need someone to hug them up, have dinner with and split a bottle of wine. The future is out there in front of you.


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I'm with rube on that one BB...

That really is very sad...

Reach out... life ain't over yet... :ok
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A man who was traveling came upon a farmer working in his field and asked him what the people in the next village were like. The farmer asked "What were the people like in the village you just traveled through to get here?" The man responded "They were kind, friendly, generous, great people." "You'll find the people in the next village are the same," said the farmer.

Another man who was traveling from the same place came up to the same farmer somewhat later and asked him what the people in the next village were like. Again the farmer asked "What were the people like in the village you just traveled through to get here?" The second man responded, "They were rude, unfriendly, dishonest people." "You'll find the people in the next village are the same," said the farmer.
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I prefer "Independent" over being called a loner, but it's six of one and half a dozen of the other.

I have no ability to form relationships. Every relationship I've had, whether personal or professional, was established by someone else. I can work within the boundaries set by others but that's it. And because of that, I've never had a "serious personal relationship". At best I've had a series of "crushes" but I couldn't do anything with those. A couple of the women involved tried, but unless they were willing to drive a relationship past the "Hows the weather" stage it wasn't going to go anywhere and it didn't. Of course I've also never tried to get any treatment for the underlying issue- I was diagnosed with a Personality Disorder when I was 18- but most folks just say I have to "get over it". Yeah, I'm in my 40s, and it sure isn't getting better (or easier), and aside from psychiatric treatment (which I cannot afford) or pharmaceuticals (which I can neither afford and the possible side effects of anti-psychotics are deadly to someone in my situation) there isn't much hope. It's easy to say what one should do; it's a whole lot harder to actually do it.

In my case I still have family- in addition to my 3 siblings I still have my Mom and one Grandmother. Even then they're the ones that have to do most of the outreach. Heck, only one of my siblings has ever even been to my house... and that's the one that lives 3000 miles away on the opposite corner of the US.
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Not that I'd ever want to test my theory but if given occasional visitation privileges, no hard labor, and an hour a day in the exercise yard I feel strongly I could survive solitary confinement. Most of my life has been complicated by relationships, not gratified nor rewarded by them.
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I reach out, it really is the only way.

My adult daughters are both married and they have their own lives as they should.

I go to a community center Monday thru Friday and a Christian single adult meeting on Sundays.

I try to surround myself with positive grateful people. :ok

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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What are you doing here then?
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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What are you doing here then?
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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I try to surround myself with positive grateful people
You should go on a camping trip with rubato... :D
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Have to agree with Ray and Datsun ,Ray ,in the joint you are better off in solitary ( the Dome" (Dorm) enviroment as my counselor or whatever called it sucks ) the weight pile wasnt nothing but a pissing contest.
My wife has been away for 8 months now (comes to visit every so often -no conjugal ) and I absolutely love being more or less single again ,for awhile anyway ,I get a heck of a lot more done and due to this and reduced work schedule my health is improving . I try to reach out but people on my level are usually a lot more wealthy or busy blowing the Boss to have the time to have anything to do with me.(I dont do Brownie ) the Boss is no better then I am(usually a lot more wealthy though in their respective heirarchies ) I will die poor but undefeated .
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I found Mrs Mc when we were 32 and 35. So far, so good.

At least I was married when I left home this morning.

I had a neighbor who married his best friend's widow at 60. He'd never been married before. He died a few years ago, but she's still down the street. At 87, she says she's going to sell her Cessna 172 that had been her first husband's and hers.

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MG McAnick wrote: Good things happen when you make them happen.
I have a plaque my wife bought me that says, "It is what it is, but it will become what you make of it".
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" Shine where you are ".

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There is a huge difference between being alone and being lonely. I almost never feel lonely; I like my own company, I love to read, watch movies, fart around on the interwebs, color, etc. Of course I have my Little Bear always with me for company, but truth be told, I really enjoyed those two weeks on Cape Cod with just me, all by myself, and no dogs to tend to. I am a loner.

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I was 'lonely' in Montana to some degree, because I was so far away from my family and an abundance of like-minded people. I am back in Maine now and although I live in a boarding house with 4 other women, I spend the vast majority of my time in my room alone. It's just how I like things. I was like this as a child, too, although to a somewhat lesser degree. My life experience with people has made me like dogs better and solitude best.

Please don't get me wrong - I like a lot of people and have some faith in humankind, but both of those feelings are easier to sustain at a distance from actual people. :mrgreen:

I hated practicing law solo in a home-based office, I do enjoy going to an office and interacting with other people - but at the same time I find those interactions take a lot of energy because I'm introverted by nature, so I am very happy to get home by myself and recharge at the end of the day.

Now you might think I'm totally dysfunctional but I don't agree - singles are very abundant in our culture and I think that's because many people who might have coupled out of societal expectation in the past are choosing to stay solo in a time when that choice is no longer considered to be odd. I love the situation I'm in now, cohabiting with several other people so I'm not totally alone and can have company when I want - and if I'd been able to find reliable housemates in the shitty cowboy town I lived in in Montana, I would have run my home as a boarding home too. Or, I was going to host international students - but that's a much bigger obligation. Anyway I think it's possible to find the connections and support one needs without being paired up romantically; maybe it's easier as a woman alone, but I find that there is no shortage of nice men - cousins, friends, neighbors - willing to help a single gal with the occasional heavy lifting or mechanical chore in return for the good feeling of being a helpy helperton, and perhaps some fresh baked cookies.

Now that I am peri-menopausal and my libido has tanked, I am not so concerned with finding a romantic partner any time soon. It might be nice to find someone to go along with me to movies or dinner or hikes, but those are things I enjoy very much on my own so I don't keep from doing them just because I'm solo. It's always made me sad to think of the single folks who do feel awkward or unhappy about doing things alone and being by themselves - that is a sure indicator of some lack of comfort with one's own company, OR, too great a buy-in to the societal messages that singlehood is weird or wrong.

For what it's worth, I've known many married people in my lifetime who were far lonelier than I have ever felt. The loneliness one can experience in a bad relationship - and there are many, many of those - is far greater than any loneliness one feels when free to do, think, be whatever one wants to be.

For the record I've had some very nice men in my life at times in the past, even lived with few of them, and the relationships were for the most part very good ones. In retrospect I realize that I broke up with them entirely because of my own issues - insecurities and fears that stem from my 'alcoholic family of origin dynamics' and a terrible fear that I would ever find myself in a relationship that in any way resembled my parents' marriage. At the time I'm sure that I found this or that to pin it on and usually it was something about the man that just wasn't right - but I think what was common to each of those relationships was a critical point at which long-term commitment was looming - a ring on the horizon - and I was, quite simply, not up to that challenge at that time with that person.

I occasionally find myself wallowing in sadness over the one true love of my life - who just happens to be the one man who ever broke up with me, which I realize as a wiser adult may be entirely the attraction - and what my life would have held if we'd married, had children, etc. That was 25 years ago and I would quite likely be a grandma now like many of my peers. There are many things, many life experiences that I would have had on that path that I will never have now - but on the path I took there have been many life experiences, many things, many, many people I would never have had the occasion to know if I'd spent the past 25 years in the same small Maine town. I don't think I'd be the person I am today, and I like that person a fair bit. I think I'd have been a good wife and mom, but I'd also likely have had a much narrower perspective on life and that would have been a real loss.

The thing that I think about a lot now is that I have nobody to leave the special things inherited from my grandmothers and mother to, but I also realize that a few generations hence and I would be not even a distant memory to relatives - so I am just grappling sooner with the inherent truth that we all go away, and nothing we did lives on unless we are a person who invents something or leaves a bunch of money in a foundation or writes a profound book or symphony, and those persons are rare. Most of us are just regular Joes who come and go without leaving a mark on this world of any lasting import. But nevertheless our time here is profoundly meaningful, each and every one of us.

But we are all essentially alone, no matter how many people we surround ourselves with. This is a truth that I understand profoundly now, and it helps me to find strength in the times when I do feel loneliness - usually those times are when life's slings & arrows are getting me really down and bearing them alone seems unbearable. But that's also when I reach out to friends and family - my closest friends are more like family to me than my bio family and they are a treasure indeed. Aristotle said that friendship is the one virtue without which man cannot live.

BB, I don't know how far away you live, but if you are ever in need of a helping hand, I'm a very good helpy helperton - and my car runs great now! Don't hesitate to ask for help when you need it, from your friends online or the neighbors around you who are waiting to become friends.
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Most of us are just regular Joes who come and go without leaving a mark on this world of any lasting import.
I disagree BSG; I think most of us leave marks we are unaware of; our actions have lasting effects and can and do change people's lives in many ways. These are not the things that are written about in history books, nor are they things that will even be associated with our names, but I do maintain each and every one of us generates profound effects that can well have a lasting import.

That one client you help to deal with a difficult situation may well have his or her life changed by the second chance and make similar changes in other's lives; the person you help by a charitable donation may experience the same, ... Go on doing what you are doing and it is likely that the world will be a better place just because you existed. I'd much rather have that knowledge than any fame that outlives me.

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I think most of us leave marks we are unaware of;
I agree 100%
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I know we leave little marks we are not aware of. I remember a few things that my kids say I did or said that effected the way they think, and the things they do. I do not remember saying or doing (some of) them, but I must have or they would not have told me about them. I'm sure they leave little marks on their kids too. It's the butterfly effect.
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oldr_n_wsr wrote:
I think most of us leave marks we are unaware of;
I agree 100%
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My mom used to tell me that every time she washed my underpants.

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