BoJo vs Barak

[Gob]

Boris Johnson has accused Barack Obama of "hypocrisy" over his support for the UK remaining in the EU.

The London mayor, who backs an EU exit, told the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg the Americans "wouldn't dream of sharing their sovereignty" as the UK had done.

The US president is expected to repeat his support for Britain's EU membership when he visits the UK next week.

The White House has indicated Mr Obama is ready to offer his view but will stress it is a decision for UK voters.

Backing from Mr Obama could give a boost to Prime Minister David Cameron's efforts to persuade the country to vote to stay in the EU in 23 June's referendum.

Mr Johnson said everything about the history of the US suggested they would never "share sovereignty".

Turning to the US president, he said: "I don't know what he is going to say but, if that is the American argument then it is nakedly hypocritical. The Americans would never dream of it."

He added: "I think that President Obama has got a perfect right to make any intervention that he wants. Indeed I welcome the views of everybody in this debate.

"I just find it absolutely bizarre that we are being lectured by the Americans about giving up our sovereignty and giving up control when Americans won't even sign up to the international convention on the law of the seas, let alone the international criminal court."

On Friday evening, at a rally in Manchester, Mr Johnson said leaving the EU would be a "glorious alternative" to a current system based on "the whims of unelected bureaucrats".

But speaking in Washington, Chancellor George Osborne said it was the "overwhelming view" of foreign governments and international institutions, such as the IMF and Nato, that the UK should remain.

[rubato]

Hey BoJo: We are a superpower while you are just the wannabee BFF of a superpower.


Hike up your skirts and go home girlfriend, we'll call if we want to talk with you.



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[Crackpot]

After posts like this I think "maybe wes isn't so bad"

[wesw]

boris is wrong.

Obama would give up our sovereignty in a new York minute.....

[Gob]

Two sides of the same coin C-P mate.

[ex-khobar Andy]

For those of you not familiar with Boris Johnson, I offer this. Full name Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, he was born in New York and educated at Eton College. He was a journalist, but was fired for making stuff up. He is clearly intelligent and well read, and has spent years cultivating an affable brainiac persona. He sees himself as an alternative to the mainstream politicians such as Cameron and there are certainly those who see him as a PM in waiting. He's the other side of the Trump coin.

Obama, of course, as Chief Federal Administrator of a bunch of entities, knows nothing about the unwillingness of individual states to cede sovereignty over anything.

[Lord Jim]

After posts like this I think "maybe wes isn't so bad"

I was thinking that after the vinegar and fire ants post....

He's the other side of the Trump coin.

I don't really think that's fair to Johnson....

Yes they both cultivate a populist image, but there's a helluvalot more substance to Johnson than there is to Trump...

And in this case, he's definitely got a good point....

There are some on the left in this country who would be more than happy to see the US cede more sovereignty to international organizations and agreements, (the folks who would like to see us be "more like Europe") but the vast majority of Americans would never sit still for for the kind of power transfer that has taken place in the EU....

[Crackpot]

Jim I think they are speaking of "more socialist" rather than more like the EU.

[Crackpot]

Mind you if the EU had a sane system of checks and balances and a method of being answerable to the people they claim to represent it might end up being workable.

[Crackpot]

Third post just to round out the first two

[Lord Jim]

Jim I think they are speaking of "more socialist" rather than more like the EU.

Yes, that's probably what's meant but many would rather say "more like Europe" than "more socialist"....

Third post just to round out the first two

What, no Youtube video?

[Crackpot]

Posible non-sequitur YouTube clip

[Crackpot]

Patience Jim.

[Crackpot]

Now I have to post again

[Crackpot]

It's pretty difficult coming up with music videos that may or may not have anything to do with what I may or may not be talking about. Satire is harder than the real thing

[MajGenl.Meade]

Feel free to give in to the difficulty if you like. We won't mind.

[liberty]

Obama, of course, as Chief Federal Administrator of a bunch of entities, knows nothing about the unwillingness of individual states to cede sovereignty over anything.

Obama is not the chief administrator of the United States, if that is what you are talking about, he is the chief executive of the federal government not the whole country.

As I sure you know the federal, national, government is a totally separate entity than the state governments. Neither government is superior to the other and both governments are subject to the will of the people they represent.

And both governments only possess sovereignty because it was delegated to them by the people through the Constitution. The people collectively hold ultimate sovereignty. FYI for the sake of it.

[liberty]

I have come to the conclusion that the Europeans can’t do federalism it is just not in their nature. Power sharing is not something they are into; perhaps that is why they were so good at building empires. Kind of a shame, I think they will eventually be eaten by the bear.

[Scooter]

You do realize there are several federations within Europe, right? Including Switzerland, whose federal system predates yours by 500 years.

What a fucking moron.

[liberty]

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