Prince is Dead?

[oldr_n_wsr]

RIP Prince.
I wasn't a big fan, but other loved him and his music.

[Crackpot]

He was never my cup of tea but he was extremely talented as illustrated by the respect given to him by artists across all genres of music.

[RayThom]

On the down side it appears to be related to opioid drug abuse/addiction. "Rumor has it" that the autopsy blood results have already confirmed high levels of the pain medication, Percocet, in his system. However, authorities and family will not release full details for a few weeks so as not to derail and sully ongoing memorials and tributes to the musical icon.

In the near future I suspect that the final spin will go something like this:
"Over the course of his illustrious musical career, Prince, needing to give his beloved fans the multi-media experience they fully deserved, would too often push himself to his physical limits to the point where, some years ago, he injured his hip in such a manner that even surgery could not help. On doctor's medical advice Prince reluctantly agreed to go on a temporary regimen of powerful opioid drugs in order to continue his high-powered level of stage performance expected. Unfortunately, the need for these drugs spiraled out of control leading to a heavier, more dangerous dependency. Prince, along with much counseling from his medical team, was until very recently turning things around but the powerful, negative forces upon his weakened system proved to be too much for him to tolerate. Prince, being the consummate performer literally gave his all for those who loved him so much. His family wants to acknowledge all the love and good wishes expressed for Prince over the last few weeks." Or something very close to this.

Nonetheless, Prince's legacy will be preserved and little damage will result as to how the public perceives him. Sadly, the price of artistic creativity claims yet another victim.

[Scooter]

So someone seeks medical help for pain management, and because medical science's answer is to prescribe him greater quantities of more and more powerful narcotics, which eventually shut down his body, we're supposed to what, condemn him as some sort of out of control junkie whose death is no one's fault but his own?

[TPFKA@W]

So someone seeks medical help for pain management, and because medical science's answer is to prescribe him greater quantities of more and more powerful narcotics, which eventually shut down his body, we're supposed to what, condemn him as some sort of out of control junkie whose death is no one's fault but his own?

WEll GEE, let's see, he was buying the pain meds on the street and using them in quantities not recommended. Managed to narc himself out to the point of needing narcan just a few days before his death, and left the hospital AMA because he couldn't get a private room. Somewhere I read that he was smoking fentanyl,

Yep definitely society's fault or his doctor's fault. Maybe it rests at the feet of white privileged.

[Scooter]

Yes, I imagine that, as a nurse, it's absolutely unheard of to you that people who become dependent on prescription pain meds will seek other means to get them when they get desperate enough. Absolutely shocking that someone who is fed narcotics like candy will not magically develop the capacity to stop.

[Long Run]

As it was explained to me, when the drug industry developed the newer more powerful opioids for pain management, they had limited success in getting the medical profession to jump on board with prescribing them. Doctors were naturally cautious about prescribing addictive drugs to manage pain (and possibly in some areas or practices there was under-education on pain management). So the drug companies successfully lobbied government agencies and doctor licensing groups to make pain management a key element of any diagnosis (for example, this is why you are asked what your pain level is for most any medical condition: "on a scale of 1 to 10"). Thus, doctors were encouraged or coerced to prescribe more pain management medication. This, of course, led to more cases of drug addiction to opioids. And now we are seeing the counter-swing to this, with the opioid abuse epidemic, as it becomes harder and harder to get prescriptions for pain meds. We will have to wait and see if Prince was caught up in this.

[TPFKA@W]

Yes, I imagine that, as a nurse, it's absolutely unheard of to you that people who become dependent on prescription pain meds will seek other means to get them when they get desperate enough. Absolutely shocking that someone who is fed narcotics like candy will not magically develop the capacity to stop.

So exactly whose fault is it then?
I have to hand him the most credit as I do anyone who over indulges.
People with enough money can get whatever they wish-yes but let's not let him off the hook.
We aren't privy to what he was told with respect to his hip pain. Probably was told not to wear heels and so anyway.

[Joe Guy]

In regards to pain medication, maybe Prince was just like his mother, they say she was never satisfied. So why do we scream at each other, this is what is sounded like when Prince died...

Third floor, please.... uhh...... umphh umphh... splat...

[Burning Petard]

Percocet? I did not know this was a street drug now. Used to be made by DuPont Pharm department. I thought most of the abusers of this stuff were in the medical industry. But there was a story out today from a family member that He had been awake and functioning non-stop with out sleep for more than 100 hours. That sounds more like coke or speed, not an opioid.

snailgate

[Econoline]

[rubato]

The nyt obit mentioned that he needed both hips replaced as of several years ago.


Sounds painful.

Yrs,
Rubato

[rubato]

Yes, I imagine that, as a nurse, it's absolutely unheard of to you that people who become dependent on prescription pain meds will seek other means to get them when they get desperate enough. Absolutely shocking that someone who is fed narcotics like candy will not magically develop the capacity to stop.

So exactly whose fault is it then?
I have to hand him the most credit as I do anyone who over indulges.
People with enough money can get whatever they wish-yes but let's not let him off the hook.
We aren't privy to what he was told with respect to his hip pain. Probably was told not to wear heels and so anyway.

Why is it a question of fault?

Constant severe pain over many years increases the chance of misadventure.


Yrs,
Rubato

[TPFKA@W]

Yes, I imagine that, as a nurse, it's absolutely unheard of to you that people who become dependent on prescription pain meds will seek other means to get them when they get desperate enough. Absolutely shocking that someone who is fed narcotics like candy will not magically develop the capacity to stop.

So exactly whose fault is it then?
I have to hand him the most credit as I do anyone who over indulges.
People with enough money can get whatever they wish-yes but let's not let him off the hook.
We aren't privy to what he was told with respect to his hip pain. Probably was told not to wear heels and so anyway.

Why is it a question of fault?

Constant severe pain over many years increases the chance of misadventure.



Yrs,
Rubato

Well let's refer to it as responsibilty then you ignorant bitch.

[rubato]

" ...

Well let's refer to it as responsibilty then you ignorant bitch.

Actually I would prefer to acknowledge that managing severe pain, when you are the sufferer, is more likely to be more imperfect as the duration and severity increase.

When someone else is managing it the result might be torture.

But this is not as mentally restful as finding someone to blame and then Turning your brain off.


Yrs,
Rubato

[TPFKA@W]

Turning your brain off.

Something you have become quite the expert at.

People who decide to forego medical management of their pain frequently wind up dead. Like Prince.

[rubato]

Or those who are under medical management?

Like Michael Jackson?


Your need to blame and lack of human comprehension is remarkable.



Yrs,
Rubato

[TPFKA@W]

Or those who are under medical management?

Like Michael Jackson?


Your need to blame and lack of human comprehension is remarkable.



Yrs,
Rubato

I sincerely expect that my experience is this matter trumps yours.

Bribing an unethical MD isn't terribly different than self medicating.

You ignorant bitch.

[BoSoxGal]

Hostile bitchfest aside, millions of opiate addicts in this country got this way under the care of an allegedly responsible licensed physician - both the CDC and the NIH have recognized as much.

[TPFKA@W]

Hostile bitchfest aside, millions of opiate addicts in this country got this way under the care of an allegedly responsible licensed physician - both the CDC and the NIH have recognized as much.

After taking it to the next level themselves generally.

But then liberals aren't big on the issue of personal responsibility by my experience.