trump is serious!!!!!

[wesw]

another clever post by meade.

he and scooter are just about on the same level, as far as reason and tolerance goes.....

use your words, meade, use your words......

[Crackpot]

You are a fuckwitted moron.

I used words

[MajGenl.Meade]

Clinton is pivoting to the general election — and is already looking to win some votes on the right, contacting likely Republicans and compiling ads of others bashing Trump. Several prominent conservatives have announced they'll be supporting her in November, and a lot more have signed on to the so-called #NeverTrump movement. It's a tempting move, to be sure. It's also a big mistake.

First, it's unnecessary (in order for her) to win. The most well-tested electoral strategy for a Democrat would be to simply reassemble the Obama coalition of young people, white college-educated liberals, and minorities that delivered the presidency in 2008 and 2012. Indeed, as Jamelle Bouie points out, that coalition has only grown over the last four years — and given Trump's staggering unpopularity among all those groups, it should be fairly easy to reassemble. Latinos in particular are chomping at the bit to vote against Trump; his deranged anti-immigrant xenophobia is sparking mass registration drives all over the country.

http://theweek.com/articles/622455/hill ... ge-mistake

Since David Duke in 1992, these two (Trump and Her Royal Clintone-ness) have the two largest negative ratings of anyone seeking the presidential nomination of their respective parties.

Write-in Kasich!

[MajGenl.Meade]

[Lord Jim]

Well, I just did a click around on the cable news channels..

Three stories about Trump, one about the Chinese national soccer team...(BBC WN)

Guess which channel I decided to leave on...

[Guinevere]

I just dropped in to comment that Tuesday was a sad day for the country, when a major political party nominates a hater like Trump. And also, to make an introduction --- Jim --- meet Charlie Baker, a Republican you would probably like (and one who has impressed me a couple of times):

As Gov. Charlie Baker added trout to Jamaica Pond in Boston Wednesday, his party's presidential field cleared out of the way for a candidate the governor said he would not support.
Right around the time Baker splashed in the water of Jamaica Pond under a cloudy sky, news organizations began reporting the last Republican holdout, Ohio Gov. John Kasich, would get out of the presidential race, all but ensuring Donald Trump's status as the 2016 Republican presidential nominee.

The governor, who said he took issue with Trump's statements on women, Muslims and "religious freedom," nonetheless congratulated the controversial New York City real estate developer for besting the field of Republican candidates.

"I think it's pretty clear at this point that he's going to be the Republican nominee, yeah, and I give him credit for it. I mean he earned it fair and square and congratulations to him," Baker said.

Baker, who has ruled out voting for Trump and declined to disclose who received his vote in the Massachusetts primary, said, "I sincerely doubt I'll be voting for Hillary Clinton," the Democrat frontrunner who is still contending with Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

[Lord Jim]

Nice to see you stop by Guin

I sincerely hope that more GOP leaders will display the courage and integrity shown by Gov. Baker.

We'll see...

[Scooter]

[Scooter]

[Big RR]

IMHO, I don't think Trump knows whether they're true or untrue; he just doesn't care.

[Scooter]

That's probably true, and that's why I said he reminded of Rob Ford - neither of them have the slightest regard for whether what passes through their lips is true or false.

[Lord Jim]

neither of them have the slightest regard for whether what passes through their lips is true or false.

It doesn't matter a whit to his fans either...There seems to be a strong element of "ignorant and proud of it" among many of these cretins...rather than being embarrassed by their ignorance, they wear it like a proud badge of honor...

Truth is frequently a casualty in political campaigns, but Donald Trump is a mass murderer...

He conducts wholesale truth massacres...He frequently manages to pack multiple lies into a single sentence. After five sentences, he's up to seven or eight lies...

In Trumpland reality and truth are defined by whatever happens to vomit out of mouth at any given time...it's downright Orwellian, and the members of his cult are perfectly happy to embrace it...

[rubato]

The last republican president caused the worst economic collapse in 80 yrs, before that caused the first two terms when the middle class income dropped and has cost us $1T and counting cleaning up the mess he made in Iraq. And made the rich a lot richer.

We cannot afford another Republiican president. Really, we can't.

Yrs,
Rubato

[Lord Jim]

Well you're in luck rube...

It appears there aren't going to be any Republicans running this year....

[Sue U]

Well you're in luck rube...

It appears there aren't going to be any Republicans running this year....

There's still time to bring in Mike Bloomberg as an "Independent Republican." Do it! You know you want to!

[Lord Jim]

GOP Senator Calls for 'Adult' Third-Party Presidential Candidate

Republican Sen. Ben Sasse, a longtime vocal critic of GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump, is calling for voters to rally around a third-party candidate capable of winning the White House.

In an open letter on Facebook, Sasse said that conversations with residents in his home state of Nebraska have convinced him that many voters would be open to an additional option besides Trump and likely Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

“Why shouldn’t America draft an honest leader who will focus on 70% solutions for the next four years? You know ... an adult?” he asked.

“I believe that most Americans can still be for limited government again -- if they were given a winsome candidate who wanted Washington to focus on a small number of really important, urgent things -- in a way that tried to bring people together instead of driving us apart,” he continued.

Bush 41, 43 Do Not Plan to Endorse Donald Trump

Trump Says He Won’t Self-Fund General Election Campaign

In order to catch the two front-runners quickly, Sasse, 44, recommended this new candidate be someone who can “campaign 24/7 for the next six months. Therefore he/she likely can’t be an engaged parent with little kids,” describing himself and several other people who've been mentioned, including House Speaker Paul Ryan.

Nor, he said, should lawmakers apply “an ideological purity test” to the candidate because he or she would “almost certainly be more conservative than either of the two dishonest liberals now leading the two national parties.”

While many of Sasse’s fellow lawmakers have expressed skepticism of Trump, the Republican senator mostly stands alone in his public desire for a third-party candidate to compete alongside the likely Republican nominee.

This isn’t a new position for Sasse, although he appeared compelled to reiterate it after Trump won the Indiana primary earlier this week and moved that much closer to clinching the party’s nomination.

Sasse wrote a Facebook post in February, saying, “If Donald Trump ends up as the GOP nominee, conservatives will need to find a third option.”

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-sena ... d=38897804

[Big RR]

Jim--do you think a third party moderate republican would pull more votes away from Trump or from Hillary; my guess is Hillary, as those who want to vote for Trump will not be deterred by a candidate that is more moderate, intelligent, or saner (and none of those criteria would be hard for almost anyone to beat).

[Lord Jim]

Jim--do you think a third party moderate republican would pull more votes away from Trump or from Hillary; my guess is Hillary

I disagree; A center/right candidate would provide an option for all those millions of Republicans that aren't crazy about Trump but are willing to vote for him over Hillary...

It's a very tough thing to get off the ground. If it's going to happen, and be a serious effort, it needs to happen damn soon...

What Hillary needs to be concerned about are Sanders voters that gravitate to Trump...

It doesn't make any sort of logical sense to me but apparently there is a significant chunk of voters for whom Sanders was a first choice and Trump their second, (and vice versa)...

I suppose these are people who are so fed up with "the system" that they will mindlessly support anyone who they think will "kick over the table", and they don't much care who does the kicking...(nor do they give any thought to the mess that will be on the floor once the table is kicked over...they never seem to think it out that far...)

Or if protectionism is your preferred flavor of stupidity, their positions on that are pretty similar, so that could explain some of the cross-appeal.....

[Big RR]

Jim--I have a hard time believing that there are many moderate republicans (or Sanders supporters for that matter) who would vote for Trump over Hillary (or anyone else for that matter), but I do think there are republicans (like yourself) who will vote for Hillary to keep Trump out of the White House. these are the people I worry could be pulled from supporting her to a moderate republican. You could be right (and I know I have been wrong about Trump before), but it just doesn't make sense.

[Lord Jim]

There's been some talk of doing what Pat Buchanan did in 2000 to the Reform Party, and simply moving in with enough supporters to overwhelm an existing third party so you can get their nomination and thus there ballot position...that way you wouldn't have the extremely expensive and labor intensive process of getting on the ballot in all 50 states...

But I did some checking, and there really aren't many good options for this. The Reform Party has atrophied to the point that now they are only qualified on 4 ballots. There's been some talk about using the Constitution Party as a vehicle for an Independent GOP bid, but they're only on 13 ballots. The Libertarians are on 33, but their members would probably put up a helluva fight before they'd allow themselves to be used for such a purpose.

So like I said, if there is going to be an independent True Republican bid, they better get cracking...

As for who this person should be, I'm very open and flexible. I could support somebody somewhat to my left, or somewhat to my right, so long as they're sound on national defense and national security. I agree with Sasse, (who I don't know a whole lot about but would probably meet my criteria) that we shouldn't have a strict litmus test.

My criteria in deciding about whether or not to support this person wouldn't be "are they my ideal candidate?" but rather "Do I prefer this candidate to Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton?"...

For me, that ain't exactly the world's highest bar...