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What the Hell Happened in Nevada Last Weekend?

This past weekend’s Democratic state convention in Nevada took an ugly turn when Bernie Sanders supporters reportedly shouted down speakers and threw things when proceedings didn’t go their way. Things got so out of hand at the Las Vegas venue where the event took place that hotel security staff eventually had to clear the room over safety concerns. In the days since, Bernie fans have bombarded the state party chairwoman with death threats, while the state party has responded by accusing Sanders supporters of having a “penchant” for “actual violence” and suggesting they’ll turn violent at this summer’s national convention in Philadelphia.

So, yeah, not exactly a good look for a party hoping to come together later this year to take on Donald Trump in the general election and to make his party look like the chaotic one. Also, while the exact details of what happened at the convention remain in dispute, the whole thing adds to the (not unfounded!) perception that the Democratic Party has rigged the system to favor Hillary Clinton and that there are some rather clear Trump-like undercurrents of misogyny and aggression among Sanders’ most passionate backers.

Facing calls from party leaders to denounce the weekend violence and the threats that followed, Sanders' response on Tuesday was surprisingly defiant. While he condemned “any and all forms of violence,” he dismissed the complaints from Nevada Democrats as “nonsense” and complained that his supporters were the ones that weren’t treated with the “fairness and respect” they deserve. His statement came only hours after Nevada Sen. Harry Reid told reporters that he had spoken to Sanders and was confident that the Vermont senator would try to calm tensions. Instead, Bernie appeared to fan the flames.

Here’s a snippet from his statement that went on to repeat, at length, many of the specific complaints voiced by his supporters over the weekend:
Within the last few days there have been a number of criticisms made against my campaign organization. Party leaders in Nevada, for example, claim that the Sanders campaign has a “penchant for violence.” That is nonsense. Our campaign has held giant rallies all across this country, including in high-crime areas, and there have been zero reports of violence. …

If the Democratic Party is to be successful in November, it is imperative that all state parties treat our campaign supporters with fairness and the respect that they have earned. I am happy to say that has been the case at state conventions in Maine, Alaska, Colorado and Hawaii where good discussions were held and democratic decisions were reached. Unfortunately, that was not the case at the Nevada convention. At that convention the Democratic leadership used its power to prevent a fair and transparent process from taking place.
Saturday’s chaos erupted after the committee tasked with credentialing state delegates ruled roughly 60 Bernie supporters ineligible to be seated at the Nevada convention, at which Team Sanders hoped to narrow—or potentially even reverse—his delegate losses stemming from Clinton’s victory in the state’s February caucus. (The final Nevada delegate count was never going to swing the nomination, but Sanders is hoping to use every delegate he can get to help shape the party platform and secure a prime-time speaking slot.)

According to Bernie’s version of events, Nevada Democratic Chairwoman Roberta Lange relied on a voice vote—as opposed to a roll call vote that may have gone his way—to pass the convention rules, and also refused to consider motions, petitions, and amendments offered up by his supporters. Party officials, meanwhile, maintain that they were operating entirely by the book.

“The rules governing the Democratic Party delegate selection process have been in place for decades and the specific procedures for this cycle were agreed upon in 2014,” DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz said in a statement (sounding a lot like her rival chairman on the GOP side), adding that the credentials committee was made up of an equal number of members from both campaigns.

I wasn’t at the Nevada convention and can’t speak to exactly what played out there. But videos taken from the convention hall along with snippets of the phone and text messages later sent to Lange together paint an unflattering picture of pretty much everyone involved—though Bernie supporters came off particularly bad given at least a small slice of them decided to channel their political outrage into actual death threats.

In the videos, Lange can be seen bringing the convention to a close by voice vote and more or less taking her gavel and going home—not exactly the best illustration of a transparent and democratic process. In one such video, though, among the first words out of a Bernie supporter's mouth were, “what a bitch,” while in another they were “fucking bitch.”

Most concerning of all, though, were the threats sent to Lange following the event. Among them were a voicemail that suggested the chairwoman should be “hung in public execution,” and a text message that read, “Hey bitch, loved how you broke the system, we know where you live, where you work, where you eat, where your kids go to school.”

Pretty awful stuff. Now the question is whether the ugliness will still be raging at this summer’s national convention.
While it is undoubtedly true most of the Democratic Party apparatus and leadership has been in the tank for Hillary since the beginning of this process (a bias led most obviously by Pinocchio-Schultz) when you look at the specifics of this particular situation, it doesn't look to me like the Sanders people have much of a case.

This wasn't a case of Team Clinton and/or the party leadership engaging in some back door skulduggery to try and screw delegates that Sanders was entitled to. Despite losing the Nevada Caucuses to Hillary his people had equal representation on the credentials committee. It was the Sanders people , not the Clinton folks, who in this case were trying to maneuver to gain a higher number of delegates then his vote alone would have entitled him to.

Nothing wrong with that per se, but when the effort doesn't work it doesn't work. Shouting down speakers, rushing the dais, throwing chairs, and making death threats was completely out of line.

This is pure thug-like behavior. These are people behaving like spoiled brats throwing a temper tantrum when they don't get their way.

I realize that a large portion of the Sanders folks are a self-righteous bunch, (they're not "supporting a candidate"...they're "on a mission") and I can understand the frustration they must feel over the fact that their saintly candidate isn't going to be the nominee...

But whatever biases there have been within the Democratic establishment, the fact remains that Hillary has out polled Sanders by 3 million votes to date, and the Sanders people are just going to have to live with the reality that the majority of participants in the Democratic nominating process have rejected their candidate.

If they care about seeing Donald Trump defeated in the fall, they need to get over themselves.
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lord jim...., hilarity s paladin.... :loon

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I have not seen a news report that described violence. Some yelling, ok. People yell when they get excited.


More exaggerations.


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I forgot to include the link for the article in the OP:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ ... ntion.html
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Dislike for the Beast runs deep and is very passionate. It pisses me off that dislike of her is labeled "misogyny". There are plenty who dislike her for her actions. I would love to see the right female elected-just not her.

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Dislike for the Beast runs deep and is very passionate.
I have a very deep dislike for her as well, but I have an even deeper dislike for the guy who wants to blow up our alliances and would meet with Kim Jong Un...
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geez...., not talking to the noth Koreans hasn t exactly worked out well, has it?

god forbid we try something different...., staying the course in the face of repeated failure is the epitome of Einstein s definition of insanity, no?

....and restructuring NATO to fit the modern world and modern threats?

well..., DUH!!!

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Jim--I will tell you one thing the dems have to watch out for, and that is to make Sanders supporters believe they are being ignored. I agree they acted like jerks in Nevada (although I do not know what the rules are for voice vs role call votes), but Bernie took Kentucky to a virtual dead heat and won Oregon by 10% last night. Without their support, it might be difficult for Hillary to beat Trump, especially if many just stay away on election day and don't vote. As the front runner, it is up to Hillary's campaign to extend the olive branch and try to bring them in before the convention; if not, it will be a bumpy ride to November, and the unthinkable may occur. There is a lot of feeling by many on the left that they are being ignored and taken for granted by the democratic party, but Hillary will need this segment to win in November, and they'd better start making the overtures now--this summer may be too late. Some Bernie supporters will never vote for her (the hatred is too real for them), but most could be won over by taking their views onto account when putting the platform together and treating them, as Bernie said, "with the fairness and respect they have earned". She'd better reign in her campaign's pit bulls quickly.
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wesw wrote:staying the course in the face of repeated failure is the epitome of Einstein s definition of insanity, no?
No, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

And as far as "repeated failure" — exactly where have we failed with North Korea?  They are an internationally isolated, impoverished rogue nation who, if it weren't for China, would have ceased to exist a long time ago, and is diverting much of what resources they do have to their military and weapons programs while their own people starve.  And just as the Soviet Union collapsed and dissolved in the 1980s under similar circumstances, Korea will continue to do so until they eventually self-destruct in much the same manner.

But you say it's OK for Trump to talk to them — mainly because you are afraid of them. You are scared spitless that Korea may in fact come up with a nuclear weapon and means for delivery of same, and you know that if that comes to pass their Head Whack Job (Kim Dong Whatshisname) is just crazy enough to push the button if for no other reason than to see what happens.

In the meantime, Obama has been talking with and opening up relations with Cuba (which, in its day, was also considered to be a rogue nation) but there are people who proudly fly the banner of the elephant who openly claim that he is committing treason by doing so.

You gotta make up your mind.  If it's a treasonous act for a Democrat to negotiate with Commies in Cuba, it's also treason (or at the very least, seditious talk) to advocate doing the same with the crazies in North Korea.
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TPFKA@W wrote:"... There are plenty who dislike her for her actions. ... " .
And what actions are those?


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All the terrible things Hillary Clinton has done — in one big list
1. When she was first lady, she murdered White House lawyer Vince Foster and then dumped his body in a park.

2. She drove Vince Foster to commit suicide through her temper tantrums.

3. She was having an affair with Vince Foster.

4. She’s a lesbian.

5. Chelsea isn’t Bill Clinton’s child.

6. She murdered Vince Foster to cover up that she once bought a tract of undeveloped land in Arkansas and lost money.

7. She murdered Vince Foster to cover up her role in firing the White House travel department.

8. After she murdered Vince Foster, she ransacked his office in the middle of the night and stole all the documents proving her guilt.

9. When Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas, she was a partner in the state’s top law firm, and it sometimes did work involving the state government.

10. She once invested in commodities futures on the advice of a friend and made $100,000, proving she’s a crook.

11. She once invested in real estate on the advice of another friend and lost $100,000, also proving she’s a crook.

12. Unnamed and unverifiable sources have told Peggy Noonan things about the Clintons that are simply too terrible to repeat.

13. The personnel murdered at Benghazi make her the first secretary of state to lose overseas personnel to terrorism — apart from Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Madeleine Albright, George Schultz, Dean Rusk and some others.

14. Four State Department staff were murdered at Benghazi, compared with only 119 others murdered overseas under every secretary of state combined since World War II.

15. She illegally sent classified emails from her personal server, except that apparently they weren’t classified at the time.

16. She may have cynically wriggled around the email law by “technically” complying with it.

17. She once signed a lucrative book contract when she was a private citizen.

18. Donald Trump says she “should be in jail,” and he’s a serial bankrupt casino developer in Atlantic City, so he should know.

19. Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay says his “law-enforcement sources” tell him she is “about to be indicted” — and if a man once convicted of money laundering and conspiracy doesn’t have good law-enforcement sources, who does?

20. She’s a hard-left radical who wants to break up the nuclear family.

21. She’s a conservative “mousewife” who refused to break up her own family.

22. She’s in favor of single moms.

23. She refused to be a single mom.

24. When she was first lady of Arkansas, she pandered to conservative voters by dyeing her hair.

25. Before that, she totally insulted them by refusing to.

26. She’s a frump.

27. She spends too much money on designer dresses.

28. She has “cankles.”

29. She has a grating voice.

30. She yells into the microphone.

31. She spent 18 years in Arkansas and some of the people she knew turned out to be crazy rednecks and crooks.

32. She’s in the pay of the mafia.

33. She’s in the pay of the Chinese government.

34. She’s in the pay of the Wall Street banks.

35. In order to suppress the billing records from her time at the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock, she cleverly packed them up and took them to the White House rather than shredding them.

36. When she handed over the documents to public officials, they couldn’t find any evidence she’d committed any crimes, so she must have doctored them.

37. Congress spent tens of millions of dollars and six years investigating her investment in the Whitewater real-estate project, and, while they didn’t actually find anything, they wouldn’t have spent all that money if there weren’t something there.

38. By cleverly hiding all evidence of her crimes in the Whitewater affair, she caused Congress to waste all that taxpayers’ money.

39. When she ran for senator of New York, she was still a fan of the Chicago Cubs.

40. She once said the Clintons were thinking of adopting a child, and they didn’t follow through.

41. She was photographed holding her hand near her mouth during the raid that killed Osama bin Laden.

42. She’s got brain damage.

43. She’s old.

44. She’s really ambitious and calculating, unlike all the other people running for president.

45. She secretly supported Palestinian terrorists, Puerto Rican terrorists and Guatemalan terrorists.

46. She secretly supported a group that wants to give Maine back to the Indians.

47. She’s a secret follower of “radical prophet” Saul Alinsky.

48. She did her law degree at Yale, and it’s a well-known “socialist finishing school.”

49. When she was young, she did things to build up her résumé rather than just for their own good.

50. When Bill was president, she “allowed” him to keep people waiting.

51. She’s married to a sex addict.

52. She’s an enemy of traditional marriage.

53. She didn’t divorce her husband.

54. His philandering is her fault because she is too strong, and too weak, and too frumpy, and too fat, and too cold.

55. She’s hostile to women who fool around with her husband.

56. A divorced taxi driver in Florida told me that if Hillary is elected president, “women will take over everything.”

57. She insulted Tammy Wynette.

58. When they left the White House, she and Bill bought a big house in New York that they couldn’t afford.

59. She sometimes calls her staff during dinner, even when they’re out at a restaurant.

60. She claimed there was a “vast right-wing conspiracy” against her husband, and it turned out there was nothing but a bunch of tycoons financing private investigators, and some fake think tanks and books and news sites and stuff.

61. When she got married, she didn’t “stay at home and bake cookies.”

62. She supported the Iraq war because she’s a secret foreign-policy conservative.

63. She’s a secret foreign-policy radical with a plan to impose worldwide “radical social experimentation” through the World Bank.

64. She is secretly plotting to let children sue their parents for making them take out the garbage.

65. She looked bored during the Benghazi hearings.

66. Oh, yeah — and she totally has a vagina.
It really does look moronic when you see them all together, doesn't it?
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It looks moronic one by one as well.

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Yeah, completely moronic.

This one is at the root of it, I think:
Oh, yeah — and she totally has a vagina.
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55. She’s hostile to women who fool around with her husband assaulted.
Fixed.

Did James Carville write that list?
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Lord Jim wrote:
55. She’s hostile to women who fool around with her husband assaulted.
Fixed.

Did James Carville write that list?

He did not have sex with that woman.

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Lord Jim wrote:Did James Carville write that list?
Brett Arends is an award-winning financial columnist with many years experience writing about markets, economics and personal finance. He has received an individual award from the Society of American Business Editors and Writers for his financial writing, and was part of the Boston Herald team that won two others. He has worked as an analyst at McKinsey & Co., and is a Chartered Financial Consultant. His latest book, "Storm Proof Your Money", was published by John Wiley & Co.
I have no idea who he is. But as far as I can see he has invented nothing - all of these charges have been levelled at her at one time or another.
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55. She’s hostile to women who fool around with her husband assaulted.
Fixed.
And that distinguishes her from 99% of women whose husbands are accused of assaulting women, how, exactly?
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There are many studies done on sexual predation and rape, and it's generally conceded by folks in the field of criminal justice that the vast majority of sexual assaults are committed by a small percentage of sexual predators who re-offend over and over again over the course of a lifetime, or until caught, prosecuted and stopped . . . like a Bill Cosby, for example.

Bill Clinton has admittedly philandered with a number of women, this has been acknowledged by him and by those women. But it's something that only 3 women who can be tied to him factually have ever accused him of sexual assault, while the majority of women reported consensual relationships or relations.

I think it's pretty clear that Bill Clinton is a philanderer who was victimized by false accusations driven by political forces, and that those 3 accusers are the liars, not the other way 'round. Yes, women DO lie about sexual assault. Not terribly often, but it does happen . . . and usually there is a clear motive when it does, as seems clear to most rationally-minded people regarding the allegations against Clinton.

He's a dog and a bad husband, but he's no sexual predator.
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That list is a combination of silly charges and serious charges that are deliberately misstated in order to be made to look silly (like #55) and trivialize them . The obvious purpose of mixing the silly with the deliberately misstated was to make it appear that any criticism leveled against is silly and unfounded.

And of course all the stuff regarding her mishandling of classified documents has been left out entirely. (And while there's a reference to her "Looking bored at the Benghazi hearing", nothing about the proven fact that on the very day she was telling an aide and her daughter the truth about the fact that the raid was a per-planned terrorist attack, she was telling the "it was about a video" lie to family members of those slain in the attack.)

It might be clever if it weren't so blatant.

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And that distinguishes her from 99% of women whose husbands are accused of assaulting women, how, exactly?
Well here's one distinction; none of those other women are running for POTUS piously asserting:
"every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed and supported."
I think it's pretty clear that Bill Clinton is a philanderer who was victimized by false accusations driven by political forces, and that those 3 accusers are the liars, not the other way 'round.
I couldn't possibly disagree more. I'll repeat what I said earlier:
In the cases of Willey and Broderick, it's true that its a case of he-said she-said, but it's also true that the available evidence confirms both they and Clinton were present in the places in question at the times the alleged incidents occurred, and in both cases both Willey and Broderick told other people about it immediately after the sexual abuse is supposed to have happened. (Which wasn't true in the case of Anita Hill, btw)

But even he-said she-said is a far cry from the "they should be disbelieved based on the evidence" claim that Hillary made...

And in the case of Jones, what evidence there is indicates that she should be believed not "disbelieved. Jones was able to properly describe "distinguishing marks on the President's penis" (Man, there's a phrase I hope to NEVER see again in the press) which she couldn't possibly have done, if she hadn't uhh, seen "the President's penis"...And like the other two, Jones also told others about it right after it is supposed to have happened.
I'd really like to know how Paula Jones in particular could have been lying. Just how is it that she could have accurately describe Bill's dick if she hadn't seen it?
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If you're counting on dredging up Paula Jones to derail her presidential run when it failed to tarnish her husband, who was the real villain in that piece, then you should get used to the idea of a second President Clinton.
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