How Long Does It Take to Buy an AR-15?

[MajGenl.Meade]

Meade, your list supposedly documenting the torrent of increased gun regulations actually demonstrates exactly the opposite, with many items actually showing the relaxation or abandonment of restrictions. Did you even read it before you posted?

Thank you for the explanations. How come you don't bother calling out rubato for mendacious drivel? (As if one needed to ask that question).

I claimed no "torrent". I did read it and was aware of the contrary items - you think I should have edited those out so someone could bleat about how dishonest I am?

It is absolute rubbish to say that since 1963 it has become easier to purchase firearms or that there have been "almost no" laws passed to make it more difficult. That is why I mentioned state laws while also writing that most states don't have such laws (see how I give both sides of the story; almost liberal of me, ain't it?)

rubato's attack on me is proven to be false.

The amazing thing is that rubato says gun control laws have decreased and I post a list showing he's wrong. So he abuses me.

Also amazing, I have recently posted support for banning all semi-automatic weapons AND reducing magazines to hold three rounds and weigh 15lbs. And he writes: "Not just listen to the assholes like the MajGenl. who think we should never do anything"

How odd.

[Sue U]

How come you don't bother calling out rubato for mendacious drivel? (As if one needed to ask that question).

Not only is it not my job, I frankly don't have the time to be policing everyone's posts for mendacious drivel. There aren't enough hours in the day to respond to every provably false statement of fact made around here, let alone idiotic opinions. Also, I expect better from you.

I claimed no "torrent". I did read it and was aware of the contrary items - you think I should have edited those out so someone could bleat about how dishonest I am?

No worries, I've done it for you.

It is absolute rubbish to say that since 1963 it has become easier to purchase firearms or that there have been "almost no" laws passed to make it more difficult. That is why I mentioned state laws while also writing that most states don't have such laws (see how I give both sides of the story; almost liberal of me, ain't it?)

Since 1963 there have been only some very minor changes to federal law, primarily the background check provisions of the Brady Bill. But as I pointed out, background checks do not add any restrictions to the sale of firearms, they are merely an enforcement mechanism for already existing restrictions. And they are only as good as the database searched and the information sought.

I noted some of the state restrictions above. They affect a small minority of states which coincidentally or maybe not have among the lowest rates of gun ownership in the country.

rubato's attack on me is proven to be false.

I would certainly not put you in the "do nothing" camp concerning gun control, and rubato's attack on that score is false. But banning all semi-automatic weapons and limiting magazine capacity are only small steps toward what needs to be done. Nevertheless, I'm happy you are willing to go that far on your own.

[Bicycle Bill]

Y'all are overlooking the point of this thread.  Regardless of whatever specific rules, regulations, and other so-called "obstructions" might be in the way —

THERE ARE MORE RESTRICTIONS TO GETTING A DRIVER'S LICENSE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE UNITED STATES THAN THERE ARE TO PURCHASE A LETHAL WEAPON !!!

Dammitall to hell, when will you people quit quibbling over petty details and address the main point?

-"BB"-

[Big RR]

which goes back to Sue's original point about repeal of the 2nd amendment. Right now gun ownership is recognized as a right in the US, driving is not. So it's no surprise that states can enact a multitude of restrictions to prevent someone from driving, while it cannot do the same with regard to gun ownership. Unless this is changed, we will always have our hands somewhat tied in controlling ownership of and access to guns.

[Guinevere]

Not to mention voting, a fundamental right.

But yes, easier to get an AR-15 than to get a driver's license, or a state-issued ID (the story I will relate to the problems we had getting my Mom's new CT ID (so she could VOTE -- and we were not able to do so in time for the Ct Primary), or to vote.

Fucked up beyond belief.

[Big RR]

That raises an interesting question, does someone seeking to buy a gun need the same sort of ID many of these ID laws would require for voting?

[MajGenl.Meade]

Seven minutes. From the moment I handed the salesperson my driver's license to the moment I passed my background check

So maybe it isn't easier to get an AR 15 and takes longer than seven minutes if you count time spent getting a DL first?

I'd like to see all the states require gun licenses and registration of firearms. Neither of those seems (to me) to be infringements of the 2nd Amendment.

[Sue U]

Dammitall to hell, when will you people quit quibbling over petty details and address the main point?

Ahem:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8548&p=107757&hilit ... ll#p107757

See also:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15917&p=205473&hilit=+guns#p205473

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=15674&p=200998&hilit=+guns#p200998

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14508&p=182231&hilit=+guns#p182231

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11423&p=141765&hilit=guns#p141765

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9033&p=115417&hilit=guns#p115417

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=14082&p=175244&hili ... ll#p175244

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9033&p=114911&hilit ... ll#p114911

[MajGenl.Meade]

On the other hand, it's easier to buy a Mars bar than an AR15.

"Odyous of olde been comparisonis, And of comparisonis engendyrd is haterede."

[Crackpot]

Not for me. I know the location of many gun shops. I don't know anywhere around here that stocks mars bars.

Corrected.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Not for me I know the location of my me that of gun shops I don't know anywhere around here Stuart stocks mars bars.

Semi-Auto incorrect?

[Crackpot]

I swear I'm about to turn it off.

[Crackpot]

On second thought....

I just realized that it is Lord Jim not autocorrect that is rendering my posts unreadable.

[Lord Jim]

On second thought....

I just realized that it is Lord Jim not autocorrect that is rendering my posts unreadable.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[rubato]

Meade, your list supposedly documenting the torrent of increased gun regulations actually demonstrates exactly the opposite, with many items actually showing the relaxation or abandonment of restrictions. Did you even read it before you posted?

Thank you for the explanations. How come you don't bother calling out rubato for mendacious drivel? (As if one needed to ask that question).

I claimed no "torrent". I did read it and was aware of the contrary items - you think I should have edited those out so someone could bleat about how dishonest I am?

It is absolute rubbish to say that since 1963 it has become easier to purchase firearms or that there have been "almost no" laws passed to make it more difficult. That is why I mentioned state laws while also writing that most states don't have such laws (see how I give both sides of the story; almost liberal of me, ain't it?)

rubato's attack on me is proven to be false.

The amazing thing is that rubato says gun control laws have decreased and I post a list showing he's wrong. So he abuses me.

Also amazing, I have recently posted support for banning all semi-automatic weapons AND reducing magazines to hold three rounds and weigh 15lbs. And he writes: "Not just listen to the assholes like the MajGenl. who think we should never do anything"

How odd.

Since it can be done in 7 minutes the evidence shows conclusively that there are no significant barriers to buying a weapon at all. All claims that there are more now than before are null, more than nothing is still nothing.

And in many states the reaction to mass shootings is to reduce regulations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... -get-guns/

After mass shootings, Republicans make it easier for people to get guns

On net, the research shows, mass shootings result in a higher number of laws that loosen gun control rather than tighten it. “One caveat," Poliquin said in an interview, “is that we can’t say much about the magnitude of the changes in those laws.” It’s possible that the impact of one major tightening law would outweigh that of five minor loosening laws, for instance.

yrs,
rubato

[MajGenl.Meade]

Interesting. Of course, the purpose of gun law is not to prevent qualified persons from purchasing firearms. It should be to prevent unqualified persons from purchasing them. One hopes that an unqualified person would be turned down in seven minutes or less in Pennsylvania. I would prefer federal (or state if that's not possible) licensing and registration.

While Congress has been shamefully ineffective, (yes indeed) the rising public outcry over gun violence has compelled more and more state legislators to stand up to the gun lobby. Since the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary, a remarkable 125 new smart gun laws have been enacted in 41 states, plus DC.

http://smartgunlaws.org/category/gun-la ... mparisons/

Evidently these folks think that there are more gun laws now than (say) (oh)... 3.5 years ago. But looking at their summaries in each state, it's not so much of a barn-burner success.

[Bicycle Bill]

  
RIDDLE ME THIS, BATMAN.....

Why is it that a product that was responsible for 4 deaths and 6100 injuries
— in an eight-year time frame —
is now banned in the United States as "an unsafe consumer product"....



while a product that was involved in 372 incidents resulting in 475 deaths (and 1870 injuries)
— in 2015 alone —
is still allowed to be sold relatively freely?



-"BB"-

[MajGenl.Meade]

Because Jarts were toys made for children to throw at each other?

[Bicycle Bill]

Because Jarts were toys made for children to throw at each other?

Even considering your British sense of humor, Meade, that isn't even close to funny.  And while it may have been sold as a "family" game originally, later iterations clearly labeled it as "not a child's toy".
Care to try again?

-"BB"-

[Joe Guy]

I don't think Meade was trying to be funny. Lawn darts aren't covered by the 2nd amendment. You have a right to own firearms but owning lawn darts is/was a privilege.

yrs,
rationalato