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Michael Jackson Stockpiled Nude Images Of Children And Animal Torture, According To Police Report

Authorities seized more than 80 video recordings and computer hard drives, as well as notes, diaries, documents, photographs and audiotapes.

Stephanie Marcus 

Senior Entertainment Editor, The Huffington Post


Police discovered Michael Jackson had a large collection of pornography, which included images of children, animal torture and gore, reportedly used in his bid to seduce young boys. The collection was revealed in newly surfaced documents obtained by RadarOnline that detail a raid on Michael Jackson’s Neverland Ranch estate in 2003, carried out as part of an investigation into child molestation charges against the singer.

According to previously unseen reports from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Department, authorities seized more than 80 video recordings and computer hard drives, as well as notes, diaries, documents, photographs and audiotapes.

Former Santa Barbara Senior Assistant District Attorney Ron Zonen, who helped prosecute Jackson’s case, told RadarOnline that many of the materials found were used to “desensitize” children.

The police report describes several of the materials found at Jackson’s estate and notes that many of the books and images “can be used as part of a ‘grooming’ process by which people (those seeking to molest children) are able to lower the inhibitions of their intended victims and facilitate the molestation of said victims.”

One of the books found in Jackson’s possession was titled, Room to Play, which “contained numerous photographs of children.” According to the report, some of the images contained children’s faces superimposed on adult bodies with their private parts exposed.

Authorities also found numerous photos of children located inside a safe in the employee break room of Jackson’s home.

Jackson was charged with seven counts of child molestation and two counts of administering an intoxicating agent for the purpose of a committing a felony in 2003 after a young boy came forward claiming the singer molested him. In 2005, a jury acquitted him of all charges after a 14-week trial.

Jackson died in 2009 from an overdose of propofol.


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UPDATE: On Tuesday evening, The Estate of Michael Jackson released the following statement to the media:


Seven years ago this coming Saturday, the world lost an amazing artist and humanitarian devoted to helping children in need in all corners of the world. Michael Jackson’s fans, including the Executors of his estate, prefer to remember the wonderful gifts Michael left behind instead of having to once again see his good name dragged through the mud by tabloid trash.

Everything in these reports, including what the County of Santa Barbara calls “content that appears to be obtained off the Internet or through unknown sources” is false, no doubt timed to the anniversary of Michael’s passing. Those who continue to shamelessly exploit Michael via sleazy internet “click bait” ignore that he was acquitted by a jury in 2005 on every one of the 14 salacious charges brought against him in a failed witch hunt.

Michael remains just as innocent of these smears in death as he was in life even though he isn’t here to defend himself. Enough is enough. [ Yeah, enough is enough.....time to own up to the fact that Jacko was a monster who preyed on little boys.....When he croaked, it was a blessing for all innocents!]

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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I'd really be surprised if anyone other than his heirs are surprised by telling revelation.

Had Jacko lived he'd probably be in prison sharing foot-longs with Jared Fogle.
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Nah... They would more likely each go for the child-sized portion.

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I am sorry that his kids have to know about this.

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TPFKA@W wrote:I am sorry that his kids have to know about this.
The kid$ will $urely get over it and will move on un$cathed.
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Gosh, so nice of you to find this rotting dead seal and bring it back for all of us to enjoy. Enriching and pungent.


You must spend hours looking for things like this to share.


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Another sh!t bomb from Richard!

His stock in trade I, suppose.

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Gratuitously trashing people who dare to start threads on topics he isn't interested in is one rube's many charming qualities...
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Those who continue to shamelessly exploit Michael via sleazy internet “click bait” ignore that he was acquitted by a jury in 2005 on every one of the 14 salacious charges brought against him in a failed witch hunt.
Like it or not, the rules are "innocent until proven guilty".  So let's see —
  • ● Richard Nixon may have resigned the presidency over Watergate, but he was never impeached or otherwise indicted by a court of law with any improprieties.
    ● O.J. Simpson was acquitted of criminal charges of murdering his ex-wife Nicole and her paramour, Ron Brown.
    ● Bill Cosby has never yet been tried and convicted of any wrongdoing concerning the allegations of his supposed date-rapes.
    ● It was only Lance Armstrong's own admission, eight years or more after-the-fact, that he had doped that caused his current woes; up to that point he had never failed a drug test during his cycling career and there was no evidence other than hear-say against him.
But that doesn't stop all and sundry from viewing these people (and many others) as being guilty as hell and assessing penalties far beyond mere public disapprobation against them.
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● Richard Nixon may have resigned the presidency over Watergate, but he was never impeached or otherwise indicted by a court of law with any improprieties.

No, but the House Committee voted to recommend impeachment, forcing him to resign to avoid an impeachment vote; and Frod pardoned him, heading off any indictments or trials. It hardly supports innocence
● O.J. Simpson was acquitted of criminal charges of murdering his ex-wife Nicole and her paramour, Ron Brown.

Number one, I'm not sure Brown was a paramour. Two, he was acquitted, but then found culpable in a wrongful death action, leading some credence to a claim that he was involved.
● Bill Cosby has never yet been tried and convicted of any wrongdoing concerning the allegations of his supposed date-rapes.

True, but people can view the evidence available and draw their won conclusions
● It was only Lance Armstrong's own admission, eight years or more after-the-fact, that he had doped that caused his current woes; up to that point he had never failed a drug test during his cycling career and there was no evidence other than hear-say against him.

I'll' leave this to people who know those facts better.
innocent until proven guilty does not mean that the guilty are sometimes wrongly acquitted (or pardoned) and the innocent are wrongly convicted. Unless you are on a jury, there is no requirement for anyone to refrain from looking at the evidence and forming his or her own opinion.

In this case, many (including some of his family) have loudly proclaimed that Jackson was being targeted and is innocent of all charges brought against him for child molestation; this cache of kiddy porn (or something like it makes those arguments even less compelling than they were. I don't see bringing it to light as a problem, even though I do feel sorry for his children.

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So this "evidence" was seized in 2003 and Jackson was tried and acquitted in 2005. If it had any value whatsoever in proving the molestation case, don't you think it would have been used by the prosecution at trial, or at least have been used as pressure to force a plea? If it proved anything in and of itself (e.g., possession of child pornography), don't you think those charges would have been brought?

I'm no defender of Jackson's weirdo personal life, but this story seems to be very short on facts and quite long on salacious inuendo and speculation.
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Sue U wrote:
I'm no defender of Jackson's weirdo personal life, but this story seems to be very short on facts and quite long on salacious innuendo and speculation.
Life would be very boring without a little bit of salacious innuendo and speculation every so often
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Indeed, I try not to take life so seriously and a little salacious innuendo does wonder for stale pasta.

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Sue U wrote:So this "evidence" was seized in 2003 and Jackson was tried and acquitted in 2005. If it had any value whatsoever in proving the molestation case, don't you think it would have been used by the prosecution at trial, or at least have been used as pressure to force a plea? If it proved anything in and of itself (e.g., possession of child pornography), don't you think those charges would have been brought?

I'm no defender of Jackson's weirdo personal life, but this story seems to be very short on facts and quite long on salacious inuendo and speculation.
Assuming it was available and admissible (and I don't know if either was true), perhaps. But then perhaps the court ruled it prejudicial and not relevant to the case at hand and excluded it. As for possession of child pornography, I'm not sure; in 2005 I think the old law still applied that exempted photoshopped and animated kiddie porn images, per the USSC ruling. Sometime later, Congress passed a law making realistic images, even if they were photoshopped or animated, kiddie porn. So someone could make a cartoon of Pebbles Flintstone having oral sex with Barney Rubble and it would not be a crime, but CGI that looked real showing a similar act would be porn.

But the point is this, we are not looking to convict under the law anymore than those seeking to expose prior acts of OJ or Nixon are seeking to convict in a court of law--this is the court of public opinion, which has much looser evidentiary rules. It's like when they broadcast that he had a hidden room in his bedroom; people can make of it what they will.

The story is short on facts? Certainly. But so what? I've seen far less be used to tar and feather priests who were not convicted for similar acts.

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Authorities also found numerous photos of children located inside a safe in the employee break room of Jackson’s home.
Well I totally misunderstood that line! I've been pondering (not every hour) why on earth the children were in a safe and why MJ would have photos of them inside the safe.

OIC..... duh.

Perhaps that's the point - they couldn't prove that the photos were his.
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"Innocent until proven guilty" is a legal and moral and philosophical stance, divorced from reality.

An individual "IS" guilty or innocent--that is their condition in the real universe, based on actual behavior and events. There is greater insight into this social problem of determination in the British legal finding of 'not proven.'

There is a well-known historical case of a family that operated an inn/rest stop on the Santa Fe trail a days journey West of Kansas City. It is well established that several single travelers, after conversation to establish their links to officialdom or family, and lack thereof, would be killed while eating a meal, the body buried in the dirt floor, and the traveler's gear taken to Joplin Missouri and sold. After a few months of this the operators of this establishment packed up everything and moved on to parts unknown. Too many people disappeared too quickly in their journey West and suspicions were aroused. The bodies were found and some of the stolen goods identified, but the further information about the identity or later actions of the perpetrators was never established.

But they were certainly not 'innocent' just because they got away with it.

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Likewise, someone acquitted because the evidence was tainted or for other legal reasons, may have been found not guilty (or at least not have been legally proven guilty), but they are hardly innocent.

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