Independence day

[kmccune]

Never got far from the red,white and blue ,did we? I dont like simple majorities ,2/3 majorities are much fairer .

[Burning Petard]

HL Mencken would be loving it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... ge%2Fstory

Good Cornishmen telling EU to go away and leave them alone, but please keep sending money. Money talks, bullshit walks. Lots of pedestrians in England now.

(((((snailgate)))))

[rubato]

The Brexit camp are like Trump (GOP) voters. Uneducated, racist, and poor.

Rubato is nothing if not an insufferable snob, is he not?

The demographic description was from your own press. Perhaps you should read more?


But if preferring being educated, not a racist, and affluent is being a snob then I guess I share that with rather a lot of people.


yrs,
rubato

[Lord Jim]

The Brexit camp are like Trump (GOP) voters. Uneducated, racist, and poor.

The demographic description was from your own press. Perhaps you should read more?

Perhaps you should try reading what you post before you copy and paste it. Not seeing anything there where "the Brexit camp" is being described as, "Uneducated, racist, and poor"...

That's all you...

[rubato]

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/st ... referendum

vide supra

Information and links also posted elsewhere in this thread.





yrs,
rubato

[Burning Petard]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... ge%2Fstory

Story from the Washington Post, based on stuff from the Guardian. The vote was ADVISORY ! Maybe the propaganda effort to reconsider, fed by all the horror stories about local communities losing EU money, will triumph.

As always, the devil is in the details.

(((((snailgate)))))

[Scooter]

[Gob]

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/st ... referendum

vide supra

Information and links also posted elsewhere in this thread.





yrs,
rubato

That article says nothing about them being; "Uneducated, racist, and poor".

[Daisy]

I'm surprised we haven't heard from Daze...

Perhaps the referendum results have set her off on a three day bender...

Pretty close.

[rubato]

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/st ... referendum

vide supra

Information and links also posted elsewhere in this thread.





yrs,
rubato

That article says nothing about them being; "Uneducated, racist, and poor".

Google Brexit demographic and you will find many citations. Your personal ignorance is not especially interesting to me.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 ... ed-old-an/

"... The higher the level of education, the higher the EU support

According the polls, university graduates were the most likely people to want to remain in the EU - while those with a GCSE or equivalent as their highest qualification were more likely to back Brexit.

This was a pattern that was reflected in the results.

Those with no education tended to vote Brexit

Only three of 35 areas where more than half of residents had a degree voted to leave - South Bucks, West Devon, and Malvern Hills in the West Midlands.

...


Class was a key dividing line in the EU referendum

Levels of education and class overlap strongly in the UK, and so the Brexit vote also matched up with areas with higher levels of people from the DE social class - meaning people in semi-skilled or unskilled labour, those in casual labour and pensioners.

This includes Blaenau Gwent in Wales, which has the highest working class population in Britain - 62 percent of voters here went for Leave.


And just three of the top fifty areas DE class areas voted to Remain. Leicester, Liverpool and Newham in London were statistical anomalies because they are big cities with a high number of young voters.

Go "Little England"!

yrs,
rubato

[Daisy]

So my new job is already under threat.

Not withstanding deals that were made before the vote have now been held by supply chain. Cisco in particular have cancelled all uk orders and will only fulfil if we rebook them at the new dollar exchange rate.

Tech requirements from the public sector will likely be put on hold as we await a post brexit budget to see where spending cuts are being made.

So yeah I'm feeling pretty peed off with the whole bloody lot of it.

[Gob]

Still no evidence that Brexit voters were "uneducated, racist, and poor" the rubato, what a surprise!

[Gob]

So my new job is already under threat.

Not withstanding deals that were made before the vote have now been held by supply chain. Cisco in particular have cancelled all uk orders and will only fulfil if we rebook them at the new dollar exchange rate.

Tech requirements from the public sector will likely be put on hold as we await a post brexit budget to see where spending cuts are being made.

So yeah I'm feeling pretty peed off with the whole bloody lot of it.

Sorry to hear that Daisy.

[Long Run]

It does seem that on fundamental decisions like this, there should be more than a simple up or down vote. Maybe something more along the lines of a U.S. constitutional amendment. It can be exceedingly slow, but some things deserve a slower, more thoughtful process.

[Daisy]

So my new job is already under threat.

Not withstanding deals that were made before the vote have now been held by supply chain. Cisco in particular have cancelled all uk orders and will only fulfil if we rebook them at the new dollar exchange rate.

Tech requirements from the public sector will likely be put on hold as we await a post brexit budget to see where spending cuts are being made.

So yeah I'm feeling pretty peed off with the whole bloody lot of it.

Sorry to hear that Daisy.

But worth the sacrifice right?

[Guinevere]

It does seem that on fundamental decisions like this, there should be more than a simple up or down vote. Maybe something more along the lines of a U.S. constitutional amendment. It can be exceedingly slow, but some things deserve a slower, more thoughtful process.

I was thinking at least a super-majority required to make these kind of changes.

[Guinevere]

So my new job is already under threat.

Not withstanding deals that were made before the vote have now been held by supply chain. Cisco in particular have cancelled all uk orders and will only fulfil if we rebook them at the new dollar exchange rate.

Tech requirements from the public sector will likely be put on hold as we await a post brexit budget to see where spending cuts are being made.

So yeah I'm feeling pretty peed off with the whole bloody lot of it.

I'm so sorry.

[Lord Jim]

"uneducated, racist, and poor"

Okay, well now let's take a look at that, point by point, shall we?...

uneducated

First of all we see this moronic claim in the Telegraph article:

Those with no education tended to vote Brexit

Just exactly what is it that "no education" is supposed to mean?

They didn't even make it through kindergarten?

They don't know how to read or write?

They were raised by wolves?

NO education? Really?

That silly, sneering, elitist construction I suspect is best defined by these two later sentences in the article:

university graduates were the most likely people to want to remain in the EU...

Only three of 35 areas where more than half of residents had a degree voted to leave

So the arrogant supercilious twit who wrote this article is saying that those who don't "have a degree" (presumably at least the British equivalent of a BA) have "no education at all"...

Speaking as someone who does have a degree from an excellent University, I have no problem saying that not having a degree does not equal having "no education at all"...

That's pure rubbish...

Moving along...

poor

(I'm saving "racist" for last...)

Nowhere in this article, or in any other article you have linked to, do I see pro-Brexit voters referred to as "poor"...

What I see is:

the highest working class population in Britain - 62 percent of voters here went for Leave.

"Working class" people are not by definition, "poor"...(Of course by the standards of someone dependent on their spouse to maintain an upper middle class standard of living, they might be considered to be so...)

And now we come to:

racist

You will find that smear used nowhere in anything you have copied and pasted or linked to; you are the only one to use it...

That one's all on you, sunshine....

[Gob]

Aspergers boy is projecting again.

Here's something he may or may not like to consider.

If you accuse a genuine racist of racism, will s/he;

a) Suddenly change their views and join www.standuptoracism.org.uk/ ?
b) Not give a toss?

If you accuse a genuinely nice person, one without a racist bone in their body, of racism, due to them having different viewpoint on the politics/bureaucracy/ finances of the EU, will s/he;

a) Suddenly change their views and join the "Remain" team?
b) Be insulted and become more belligerent and forceful in their EU opposition.

[BoSoxGal]

I've been listening to BBC a lot in recent days and it sure seems to me that from inside the UK there is plenty of recognition that a certain racist element formed a very good portion of the "leave" vote, and it appears many more were largely uneducated about what the geopolitical ramifications might be but were lured into voting on the promise that all the EU dues would instead go to NHS and schools, etc. Additionally there has been international recognition and plenty of conversation within the UK among decent minded people who can't help but acknowledge that the UK's rust belt and rural areas were wildly supportive of Brexit whilst London and other centres of high tech, multiculturalism, concentrations of highly educated and younger populace were supportive of remain.

So I'd say that racist, ignorant and poor is descriptive of the Brexit vote, albeit not wholly descriptive.