When we can reproduce, what new excuse will you find?

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Re: When we can reproduce, what new excuse will you find?

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Scooter wrote:
Guinevere wrote:why create more babies when there are so many kids out there that already need a good home. I think every couple that has fertility issues of any kind should also be counseled about adoption, before undergoing in vitro.
Having worked in child welfare, I agree strongly with you in principle. But as Crackpot alluded to, the reason why there are so many kids in the system is that so many of them are not readily adoptable. My experience, both professional and personal, is that gay male couples have been far more willing to adopt children who are older, of a different race, have developmental or other disabilities etc. than the typical opposite-sex couple who is looking for the "perfect" infant or toddler. No, I don't believe that anyone has done a study to confirm that, but someone probably should, because they would probably learn that through all those years they spent being revolted by the idea of gay men raising children, kids who would have never otherwise had a chance at anything resembling a normal life have been thriving under the care of the two fathers who loved them when no one else would.

So if a few of them now wish to experience what the overwhelming majority of the rest of the world has always taken for granted, I'm not going to fault them for it.
working in child welfare myself, I can say that there are many children who are available for adoption (US law currently favors freeing children for adoption quickly if reunification seems unlikely) who might well never be adopted due to age and significant developmental disabilities and other mental problems (some of these kids went through hell). If there are those who are willingly able to take on these problems and deal with them, then they should be able to adopt. However, such adoptions are not for everyone, and they should go in with their eyes open and fully appreciate the responsibilities they are taking on--there is nothing worse than a failed adoption. I have a client now who is 14 and has a variety of genetic developmental difficulties and an IQ 0f around 60. She was abused by a drug addicted mother and her "boyfriends" leaving serious emotional scars. That being said, the girl is usually delightful to talk to (like a 5 year old), but anyone who adopts her will have to understand that she will likely never grow up and be out on her own, and this is a lifetime obligation. The last thing I would like to see is two well meaning adoptive parents realize, after a few months or a year, that they took on too much and can't handle it (and an adolescent with raging hormones and the mind of a 5 year old will present more difficulties than you imagine; this young lady has been through far to much to face that sort of rejection.

And, as an adoptive parent, I can tell you that adoption, even under the best of circumstances, is not for everyone. I once met a woman who had a child and could not have any more; she agreed to adoption because her husband wanted another kid, but she told me that she never could accept that child as her own (she said she would care for the child and wouldn't mistreat it, but would never be her mother). Even then, I could see the dynamics of the husband overcompensating and showering additional attention on his daughter, which led to resentment from the first child. Not exactly the best environment for either to grow up in. And a damn shame.

I think adoption is great for some, but that you really have to know yourself and you feelings before you begin it, and some just cannot do that and should not be adoptive parents (although they may well be good parents for their genetic children).

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Re: When we can reproduce, what new excuse will you find?

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The steps between a child entering the system and determining reunification is impossible is large. If you want a child under 3 you almost definitely have to go the foster-to-adopt route and then you have to face the real possibility of not only having the child taken from you but taken and given (back) to someone you don't approve of.

You are right it's not for everyone
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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And that step should be large; termination of parental rights is an awesome power that should be used as sparingly as possible.

My general experience, however, is that in most cases, a permanency plan of termination of parental rights is filed after 12-14 months of trying to reunify, followed by another 6-8 months for a trial. An appeal could lengthen it for another 6 months to a year, but the cases of kids in the foster system forever are becoming less and less for those who are more easily adopted (healthy infants and young children); unfortunately, this is not the case for many of the others.

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Re: When we can reproduce, what new excuse will you find?

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I did say that most of these regulations are there for good reason but one thing you have missing in the timeline is a lot of these cases depend upon the successful completion of rehab + time sober and often second chances after slip etc... It's a lot of stress on all people involved. The figure we got is about 2 years average 6 months if you're lucky (no contesting on the part of the birth family) over 5 in the worst cases.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Re: When we can reproduce, what new excuse will you find?

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You are right, despite all the good intentions, some of these cases can take far too long. And the pressures are great on all parties, but especially the kids.

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