Blue Lives Matter...

[Lord Jim]

Here's a big surprise:

The killing of five Dallas police officers and wounding of seven more late Thursday brought out the worst of people on the crackpot corners of the Internet.

While President Obama, civil rights leaders and members of Congress joined law enforcement officials in condemning the monstrous sniper attack by a former Army reservist named Micah Johnson, others took to Twitter, Facebook and other platforms to praise the murderer.

"Rip Micah!!!! Something had to give," wrote a poster on a community Facebook page dedicated to Johnson. "To many blacks you are a hero. Sad for those officers but it's been sad for the black community in years."

Micah Xavier Johnson is a hero in my book!
— Black Lives Matter (@Jazzy_Belle__) July 8, 2016

Numerous tweets called Johnson everything from a hero to a martyr, and on several Twitter pages and other forums people angrily denounced such praise for a killer.

One Facebook friend of Johnson's posted a message just 46 minutes after reports identified the shooter, saying the attack was justified.

Chanti
‏@chant_jones

Micah Xavier Johnson. I don't agree with the whole situation. But we appreciate you and your courage.[yeah, picking off cops with no protective gear at night from a rooftop...really "courageous" ] Fly high

"It's a shame it had to come to this, but we didn't bring it here, it was brought to us," said the misguided message.

A Twitter user who identified himself as John Gorman attempted to justify the killing of five police officers.

"Micah Xavier Johnson acted in righteous anger," he wrote. "He was tired and sick of it all. I don't condone his actions, but I understand them."

Black Lives Matter, which organized protests around the country in the wake of two racially charged police shootings over the last week, condemned the attack.

The internet can be a great tool and resource in many ways, but in can also be a haven for the sick and twisted....

[Bicycle Bill]

The internet can be a great tool in many ways, but it can also be a haven for the sick and twisted....

-"BB"-

[Guinevere]

Also note former GOP Congressman Frank Walsh threatening President Obama (of course). Some of the most disgusting crap, including the Walsh tweet, is in the article below:

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2016/ ... -york-post

[rubato]

Blue lives matter.

And statistically speaking they matter as much as any other lives matter so it is relevant to point out that they are very highly paid, have huge pensions, and have a very low chance of dying on the job.


How many police are being handcuffed, slammed into the back of a paddy wagon and driven to they're killed by a broken neck?

Not so many?



yrs,
rubato

[Guinevere]

Exactly. In one department I represent there hasn't been an on-duty death in 100 years but a DPW worker was killed on the job recently.

[Guinevere]

Of course, there couldn't possibly be any room for police to be doing some self-reflection on whether they are reaping a fraction of what they sowed.

Trollin', trollin', trollin', Rawhide!!!

-"BB"-

If that's trolling, what does that make you?

And Scooter, please lay off the family member references. I think we've all agreed that's one area that is and should remain off limits. Thank you.

[rubato]

Exactly. In one department I represent there hasn't been an on-duty death in 100 years but a DPW worker was killed on the job recently.

And they are going to get the full-dress turnout with 1000 officers in uniform and 50 motorcycle cops lining the funeral route.


Right?


yrs,
rubato

[Guinevere]

I don't object to that, or the notion of "brotherhood." I think public service is still mostly a noble thing, and I have great respect for many of the officers I work with, especially those in management. Some of them are some of the best people I have ever worked with. But turned wrong it becomes just another gang, one even more insidious than most on the street.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Blue lives matter. And statistically speaking they matter as much as any other lives matter so it is relevant to point out that they are very highly paid, have huge pensions, and have a very low chance of dying on the job.

How many police are being handcuffed, slammed into the back of a paddy wagon and driven to they're killed by a broken neck?
Not so many?
yrs,
rubato

I'd guess the number is zero on the one hand and it's one on the other. I suppose it's an infinite order of magnitude difference but are there contributory causes to the difference - such as, policemen are also never handcuffed, slammed into the back of, etc. etc.? So we'd be comparing an impossibility to a single case then?

All lives matter, that's true. But there is some difference between unpremeditated and premeditated murder - at least in my view. Neither one should go unpunished, as is appropriate, and much of the problem is the failure of punitive action in too many cases of blue on black incidents.

But of course, the same people who (rightly) bleat about "one bad Muslim shooter doesn't mean that all Muslims should be vilified", don't seem so quick on the verbals when a bad police action occurs - then some are only too willing to blame all police and (apparently) shoot unrelated officers in cold blood or encourage those who do.

Good robot

[rubato]

If you don't act like other lives matter.

Then they don't.

figure it out.

yrs,
rubato

[Lord Jim]

And statistically speaking they matter as much as any other lives matter so it is relevant to point out that they are very highly paid, have huge pensions, and have a very low chance of dying on the job.

The number of police officers killed in shootings more than doubled during the first three months of 2016. In fact, officers are at much greater risk from blacks than unarmed blacks are from the police. Over the last decade, an officer’s chance of getting killed by a black has been 18.5 times higher than the chance of an
unarmed black getting killed by a cop.

A lot of interesting, perspective creating stats in this article:

https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/wp-conte ... pril16.pdf

[MajGenl.Meade]

If you don't act like other lives matter.

Then they don't.

figure it out.

yrs,
rubato

That's a bunch of non-responsive words. Meaning, much?

[Guinevere]

Hillsdale college, promoting "religion, morality, and independence," does not comply with federal affirmative action or title IX guidelines, and it's President referred to the lack of minorities on campus as "not having enough dark faces" or something close.

No thanks, I'll pass on their "statistics."

[MajGenl.Meade]

Hillsdale does not accept one penny of state or federal taxpayer funding—even indirectly in the form of student grants and loans

Does that mean it is "exempt" from Federal Affirmative Action and Title IX and in fact is not required to "comply"? (Isn't it odd how the simple emphasis of one word can change entire messages?)

Yes, in 2013 the president of the college objected to inspectors recording ethnicity by looking at faces to see how many "dark ones" they could find. The school issued an apology, indicating that no offense was intended except to bureaucrats (who were indulging in that activity).

According to its website, the school “was the first American college to prohibit in its charter any discrimination based on race, religion or sex, and became an early force for the abolition of slavery.”

I don't know if that's true - I'm sure some fact-checkers could do better than I did in googling it. None of this means that statistics it puts forward are necessarily accurate; not does it mean that they are not accurate.

Prejudice can work either way, I guess

[Lord Jim]

Those statistics were not compiled by Hillsdale College. They were excerpted from a speech given at the school.

This is the person who gave the speech:

HEATHER MAC DONALD
is the Thomas W. Smith Fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a contributing editor of
City Journal.She earned a B.A. from Yale University, an M.A. in English from Cambridge University,
and a J. D. from Stanford Law School. She writes for several newspapers and journals, including
The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The New Criterion, and Public Interest, and is the author of three books.

https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/wp-conte ... pril16.pdf

If you'd actually followed the link rather than just looking at the word "Hillsdale" you would have know this...

[Guinevere]

Yes, since it does not accept federal money, including not allowing students to take federal student grants or loans, it does not have to comply. Of course, by limiting the students options for funding (and yes, they claim their own private fundraising), they limit the students for whom they are an option. Interesting how that works.

I saw that they were one of the early colleges to admit blacks and women. It's too bad they have fallen away from those original ideals and are now known as being a not very diverse institution.

[Guinevere]

Those statistics were not compiled by Hillsdale College. They were excerpted from a speech given at the school.

This is the person who gave the speech:

HEATHER MAC DONALD
is the Thomas W. Smith Fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a contributing editor of
City Journal.She earned a B.A. from Yale University, an M.A. in English from Cambridge University,
and a J. D. from Stanford Law School. She writes for several newspapers and journals, including
The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The New Criterion, and Public Interest, and is the author of three books.

https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/wp-conte ... pril16.pdf

If you'd actually followed the link rather than just looking at the word "Hillsdale" you would have know this...

I skimmed the article. Having been the editor of an academic publication I can tell you that it is most likely that the philosophy of the article reflects the philosophy of the institution.

[Lord Jim]

So your position is that Heather MacDonald just made the numbers up?

[Guinevere]

The Manhattan Institute is an increasingly prominent conservative think-tank that promotes limited government and free-market idealism. The organization has attacked minority-focused policies including affirmative action, civil rights initiatives, and immigrant support programs as obstacles to full social integration and to the benefits of the market system. The Institute heavily promotes school vouchers, saying that competition as the best way to improve public schools.

52 Vanderbilt Avenue
New York, NY 10017
212-599-7000
www.manhattan-institute.org

Chairman: Dietrich Weismann
President: Lawrence J. Mone
Founded/Place: 1978— New York
Board of Trustees: Byron R. Wien, Roger Hertog, Charles H. Brunie, Robert J. Appel, Eugene D. Brody, Christopher H. Browne, Andrew Cader, Timothy G. Dalton, Jr., Michael J. Fedak, Peter M. Flanigan, Mark Gerson, William B. Ginsberg, Maurice R. Greenberg, Fleur Harlan, H. Dale Hemmerdinger, John W. Holman, Jr., Bruce Kovner, William Kristol, Frank J. Macchiarola, Rodney W. Nichols, Edward J. Nicoll, Peggy Noonan, Joseph H. Reich, Richard Reiss, Jr., Joseph L. Rice, III, Frank E. Richardson, Robert Rosenkranz, Nathan E. Saint-Amand, MD, Andrew M. Saul, Paul E. Singer, Robert Skidelsky, Thomas W. Smith, William K. Tell, Jr., Thomas J. Tisch, Donald G. Tober, Bruce G. Wilcox, Kathryn S. Wylde.
Finances: In 2005; $17,555,461 in assets; $ 13,296,150 in revenue; $ 10,083,160 in expenses
Publications: City Journal
Affiliate Groups: An associated member of the State Policy Network, a national network of state-based right-wing organizations in 37 states as well as prominent nationwide right-wing organizations. Through its network SPN advances the public policy ideas of the expansive right-wing political movement on the state and local level.

[Guinevere]

So your position is that Heather MacDonald just made the numbers up?

My position is that I do not trust statistics coming from her, her organization, or that school, unless and until they were peer-reviewed by someone without their obvious biases.