Blue Lives Matter...

Burning Petard · Post by **Burning Petard** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 6:49 pm

The bomb was not a surprise to me. It was a generation ago that the Philly cops dropped 2 bombs from a helicopter to 'stop' the barricade situation with MOVE and burned down an entire neighborhood.

rubato · Post by **rubato** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:28 pm

I'm just damn glad that in Ammuurica a homicidal lunatic's 2nd amendment right to be armed to the teeth and covered in body armor is not infringed by a buncha gun-grabbing libbruls.

Damned proud day for the 2nd amendment. Damned proud.

yrs,
rubato

Lord Jim · Post by **Lord Jim** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:03 pm

Joe Guy wrote:It's not horrifying if the suspect just killed 5 cops, intended to kill more and refused to give himself up. It should only be horrifying to anyone planning on doing something similar.

Also if you follow Econo's link the police chief says that after talking with him for several hours, he broke off communication and began shooting at them again. Apparently they also did not have a line of sight on him, so they couldn't take him out with a rifle.

So now you've got a weapons and tactics trained guy whose whole agenda is to kill cops, he's already killed five of them, he's shooting at you again, and you can't see him...

The only other option here would have been a manned assault with a high possibility of additional serious injuries and/or more loss of life.

They were lucky to have this resource available and in using it, they definitely made the right call.

Jarlaxle · Post by **Jarlaxle** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:23 pm

Burning Petard wrote:The bomb was not a surprise to me. It was a generation ago that the Philly cops dropped 2 bombs from a helicopter to 'stop' the barricade situation with MOVE and burned down an entire neighborhood.

Yeah, that was absolutely horrific.

Lord Jim · Post by **Lord Jim** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:10 am

the Philly cops dropped 2 bombs from a helicopter to 'stop' the barricade situation with MOVE and burned down an entire neighborhood.

It should be mentioned that the decision to do that wasn't made by the Philadelphia police department...

The decision was made by the then Mayor, Wilson Goode... (who BTW is an African American)

Econoline · Post by **Econoline** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:25 am

Not to mention that it was a completely different scenario in that, in the Philly situation, Goode apparently gave no thought whatsoever to possible collateral damage; in Dallas the tactical decision that was made was made in order to avoid collateral damage.

RayThom · Post by **RayThom** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:38 am

Mayor W. Wilson Goode. That's the Reverend Mr. Goode to those who may not know of his most grievous of sins as mayor. He's obviously covering all his bases in preparation for Judgement Day. NB: No mention of being the mayor of the nation's fifth largest city.
http://www.amachimentoring.org/bio.html

Jarlaxle · Post by **Jarlaxle** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:25 pm

Lord Jim wrote:
the Philly cops dropped 2 bombs from a helicopter to 'stop' the barricade situation with MOVE and burned down an entire neighborhood.
It should be mentioned that the decision to do that wasn't made by the Philadelphia police department...

The decision was made by the then Mayor, Wilson Goode... (who BTW is an African American)

And he should have been vivisected for it.

Econoline · Post by **Econoline** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:10 am

RayThom · Post by **RayThom** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:17 am

The Camden NJ Police Department -- once considered one of the worst in the nation -- fired its entire force a few years ago and rebuilt it from the ground up. The results have been remarkable. They now protect and serve... as guardians, not warriors.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/01/nyreg ... force.html
And then there's this from last night's CBS nation news:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/camden-new- ... hal-force/

BoSoxGal · Post by **BoSoxGal** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:27 pm

Here's an interesting journal article on bias in police shootings with some very good data, for those interested:

A Multi-Level Bayesian Analysis of Racial Bias in Police Shootings at the County-Level in the United States, 2011–2014
Cody T. Ross
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... 854#sec005

Lord Jim · Post by **Lord Jim** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:39 pm

I saw Dallas Police Chief David Brown in a long interview with Jake Tappert and then in his press conference yesterday. A very impressive and thoughtful guy who brings an interesting history and personal tragedy to the job:

A Dallas native, Brown is a graduate of South Oak Cliff High School and attended the University of Texas at Austin before enrolling in the Dallas police academy, originally with the intention of becoming a prosecutor.[1] He earned a bachelor of arts from Dallas Baptist University, in 1999 and an MBA from Amberton University, in 2001[2][3] and graduated from the FBI National Academy and the FBI National Executive Institute, the Senior Management Institute for Police, the National Counter-Terrorism Seminar in Tel Aviv, and the United States Secret Service dignitary protection seminar. He is certified by the State of Texas as a master peace officer and a police instructor.[4]
Career

After joining the Dallas Police Department in 1983, Brown worked in patrol divisions, SWAT, and internal affairs.[1][5] He became first assistant chief of police, in 2005; in 2007–08 he served as assistant city manager.[3] He was appointed police chief in April 2010[6] and sworn into office on May 4, 2010.[5][7]

On June 20, 2010, his 27-year-old son, David Brown Jr., shot and killed 23-year-old Jeremy McMillian and 37-year-old Lancaster, Texas police officer Craig Shaw. Brown died in an ensuing shootout with officers responding to the scene.[14] The Dallas County medical examiner's autopsy reported the presence of PCP in Brown's bloodstream.[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bro ... e_officer)

The Oakland Police Department could sure use a guy of this quality running their department...

In fact every police department in the country would do well to have a person like this in charge. (If they don't all ready)

Guinevere · Post by **Guinevere** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:59 pm

Most police departments (outside of major cites and some well-funded towns) cannot afford all that very expensive training. In MA we pay a premium for a college degree and even more for a master degree, which adds upwards of a 25% bonus onto already generous base salaries (this is a state mandate, although no longer fully funded by the state). Some departments do have an occasional officer going to additional senior-level academies, but that is often via some special assignment and/or when the state or feds are offering money for those trainings.

dales · Post by **dales** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:12 pm

The Oakland Police Department could sure use a guy of this quality running their department...

Didn't OPD go thru 3 chiefs in less that 2 weeks quite recently?

A dysfunctional police dept. to enforce laws in a largely dysfunctional city.

What could go wrong?

More BLM terrorism, that's what.

Burning Petard · Post by **Burning Petard** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:46 pm

More BLM terrorism? Anybody who is 'terrorized' by a bunch of chanting people waving signs while walking down the street has serious anxiety issues and needs professional help.

snailgate

dales · Post by **dales** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:49 pm

BoSoxGal · Post by **BoSoxGal** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:18 am

So I guess those blacks folks demanding civil rights in the 60s were all terrorists too?

I'm white, I got mine, don't mess with my comfy bubble.

Beer Sponge · Post by **Beer Sponge** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:21 am

Man's encounter with police officer in Edmonton, Alberta

This from my neck of the woods.

dales · Post by **dales** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:52 am

So I guess those blacks folks demanding civil rights in the 60s were all terrorists too?

What a stupid response.

BoSoxGal · Post by **BoSoxGal** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:32 am

I assert that your allegation that BLM activists are terrorists is stupid and quite possibly racist. My response was calculated to match the idiocy of your allegation. Don't like it?

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