The Drip Drip Drip...

[rubato]

Well the data is clear on WJ Clinton vs Reagan. Clinton wins.







We'll have to see what happens in the next six months with Obama, right now he is very close to Reagan at the same time but his overall image keeps improving.


And lets face it Truman was one of the most important presidents of all time and his approval was quite low so lets not pretend approval = good president.

But having said that, Obama's lowest of all time is much higher than Reagan's and that is after a year's long campaign of lies and hatred promoted by the GOP leadership.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-obam ... nts-2015-2


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[Burning Petard]

I hope you all can forgive my thick-headedness, but I have no idea what the chart above is supposed to be communicating. Approval? by who? Interview date? Who is doing the interview? What questions were asked? Who is being interviewed?

snailgate

[Lord Jim]

Well the data is clear on WJ Clinton vs Reagan. Clinton wins.

Well for starters, that graph doesn't have Mr. Reagan above 60% at the end of his Presidency, and since we know he had a 63% approval rating in the last poll taken before he left Office, that makes the whole graph suspect....

Laying that major flaw aside, he and Clinton look fairly close, but of course you also have to remember that Mr. Reagan had to dig the country out of the hole left to him by The Carter Catastrophe, while Mr. Bill had the good fortune to take the reigns from GHWB who left him with an already improving economy...

And of course Mr. Reagan also won back-to-back landslide elections while Mr. Bill earned the distinction of being the only President in American history to win two elections without getting to 50% of the popular vote either time...

lets not pretend approval = good president.

[rubato]

The GOP doubles down on nothing (well this IS the party that created Trump) :


http://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/GO ... 348645.php

GOP signals Clinton email probe will keep on

Associated Press Published 1:58 pm, Friday, July 8, 2016

Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C. (left), shown with Rep. Gary Palmer, R-Ala., says another Hillary Clinton investigation is possible.

WASHINGTON — Republicans signaled they’re not done with election-year investigations of Hillary Clinton and whether she lied to Congress, even after a House committee signed off Friday on its report into the deadly 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya.

The 800-page report by the GOP-led Benghazi Committee found no wrongdoing by the former secretary of state, but the two-year inquiry had revealed that she used a private email server for government business, triggering a yearlong FBI investigation that continues to shadow the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee.

FBI Director James Comey said this week there weren’t grounds to prosecute Clinton, but that she and her aides had been “extremely careless” in their handling of classified information.

The committee’s 7-4 vote Friday was split along party lines, reflecting partisanship that emerged even before the panel’s creation in May 2014 and only escalated since then. Democrats have submitted their own report on the Sept. 11, 2012, attacks that killed four Americans, including U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens.

The vote is unlikely to be the final word in the inquiry that has cost $7 million. The panel’s chairman, Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., said lawmakers may seek a federal investigation into whether Clinton lied to the committee in testimony last year.

“If a witness said something to a committee of Congress and/or under oath that’s not consistent with the truth, our committee has an obligation” to report that to the FBI, Gowdy told reporters.

Asked if he was referring to Clinton, Gowdy said, “She’s one of 100 witnesses.” ... "

Meanwhile. The UK published an exhaustive report on the Iraq war debacle which the Republican party has done nothing to investigate.


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[Lord Jim]

Two new polls find 56% disagree with decision not prosecute Hillary, and her lead over Trump drops:

Poll: Majority disagree with not charging Hillary Clinton

Washington, DC (CNN)A majority of Americans say they disagree with the FBI's decision not to recommend criminal charges against Hillary Clinton for her use of a private email server while she was secretary of state, according to a new poll.
A Washington Post/ABC News poll, released Monday, found that 56% of American adults disapprove of the FBI's decision, while 35% said they approved. But a majority -- 58% -- also said the issue would not affect their vote in the 2016 presidential election.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/politics/ ... rges-poll/

Hillary Clinton's Lead Over Trump Shrinks After Controversial Week: Poll

Hillary Clinton's lead over Donald Trump narrowed to 3 points this week after several days of controversy following FBI Director James Comey's recommendation that no criminal charges be brought against the former secretary of state over her use of a private email server.

While the developments are certainly good news for the Clinton campaign, Comey's critical statement on Clinton's handling of the matter was not positive. Clinton's lead over Trump has deteriorated in the past couple weeks since her lead peaked two weeks ago.

A strong majority of voters (82 percent) agreed that it was inappropriate for Clinton to use a personal email server during her tenure as secretary of state. A smaller majority — 56 percent — also said they disagreed with Comey's recommendation that Clinton not be prosecuted for use of the server.

These results are according to the latest from the NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Election Tracking Poll conducted online from July 4 through July 10, 2016. Survey questions pertaining to Clinton's email controversy were added following Comey's announcement.

Last Monday, Comey announced the conclusion of the FBI's investigation into Clinton's use of a personal email server during her time as secretary of state. Clinton had been criticized for mishandling classified information and for her administration's reckless treatment of sensitive information. While about eight in 10 of all voters agree that Clinton's use of an email server was "inappropriate," this number also includes nearly seven in 10 of her own supporters.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-el ... ek-n607351

That's pretty amazing when you think about it...

56% of the American people, including one in five of her own supporters, believe she should be prosecuted for a crime, (and not just any crime; a crime involving endangering national security) but she still manages to hold a 3 point lead over Trump...

That really says something about how the public views Donald Trump; that a person who a solid majority of the public believes should be prosecuted for mishandling classified information still beats him...

And it helps confirm my belief that if she were running against just about anybody else, she'd be in deep, deep trouble...

The good news for her is that presumably the worst is now over, and she should be in a position to improve her standing, and regain a larger lead against Drumpf, as he continues to shoot himself in the foot, reload and fire again...

With one caveat...

The worst will not be over, if she doesn't STFU about this and continues to talk about it in the way she did in the article I posted earlier....

Attacking Comey, continuing to lie about what she did, continuing to defend her indefensible behavior, and throwing her former State Department subordinates under the bus is probably not the best possible strategy going forward...

There's no way she's going to be able to convince the public in general, (as opposed to her most hardcore partisans, who already agree) that she did nothing wrong, and she needs to stop trying.

Anytime she's talking about this she's losing. There will be some political price involved by simply refusing to talk about this any further, (reporters will not be happy about it) but a lot less than the price involved in continuing to punch this tar baby...

I hope these numbers showing just how ingrained negative perceptions about her on this issue are with the electorate will serve as a wake up call for her in this regard.

She needs to have people stop thinking about this and focus again on Trump....

[Guinevere]

All that proves is that the majority of the American people are ignorant and cannot understand simple English, or are willfully ignorant because they don't like HRC.

Go ahead, call me an elitist bitch, but I'm sick of explaining the same simple concepts over and over to people. It's exhausting, and I'm just about done with it.

[Lord Jim]

All that proves is that the majority of the American people are ignorant and cannot understand simple English, or are willfully ignorant because they don't like HRC.

I've seen a number of legal experts and former prosecutors who disagree; presumably they can understand simple English.

Comey made a judgement call, and it was his call to make; he determined that he didn't have sufficient evidence to prove a crime by the standard of beyond a reasonable doubt, and on that basis he recommended against prosecution...he made clear at the hearing last week that this was basis for his decision.

Other knowledgeable people of goodwill can and do disagree.

In any event, no matter where one comes down on this, it seems to me that anyone who wants Hillary to win the election, (which very reluctantly includes your humble correspondent) should agree that it's past time for her to stop talking about it.

[rubato]

The Republican party has made lying their sole method for years now. After years of lying about Benghazi and lying about the emails, with Fox repeating every charge at the top of their lungs, it is surprising that so many people evaluated it intelligently.

It is unfortunate that the GOP has embraced Lying, Fear and Hatred and it makes their own electorate (Trump Voters!) less educated, more driven by irrational fear, and less able to think clearly.

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[rubato]

AG Lynch gives a bitch slap smack down to the GOP "followership".


https://www.yahoo.com/news/loretta-lync ... 00215.html


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[Long Run]

[rubato]

So much for the alleged conflict between them.

Yawn. About as fierce as that between Clinton and Obama (who immediately appointed her Sec. of State.)


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[BoSoxGal]

They ran a very well fought primary and I laud Bernie for pushing Hillary leftward. I like Hillary now much more than I liked her six months ago. I still have concerns about her links to Wall Street and her many years as a member of the uber wealthy class, but c'mon . . . she's got some bad positions but they're within the realm of normative political thinking, while her opponent is a psychopath without any empathy for anybody other than himself and possibly his offspring. Hillary is miles and miles better than Trump and if it were not for the longstanding rightwing war on the Clintons, she wouldn't be so disliked by the American people as she is.

Anyway, I'm more than ready for Hillary!

[Lord Jim]

I laud Bernie for pushing Hillary leftward.

If this were a normal year, where I wanted the GOP candidate to win, I'd be lauding that too...

[Lord Jim]

if it were not for the longstanding rightwing war on the Clintons, she wouldn't be so disliked by the American people as she is.

Here's the fundamental problem with that theory...

Just a few years ago, before here cavalier handling of classified material and her lying about it became public, she left the State Department with a 63% approval rating...

If this supposed "longstanding rightwing war" had the affect that she and her supporters are claiming, her approval rating would never have risen that high...

And yet now her approval rating is less than half that...

So something had to happen between when she left as SOS and now to account for this...

And what happened is the revealing of her recklessly arrogant behavior regarding classified information, and her blatant and brazen lying about it...

Hillary Clinton has one person and one person only to blame for how widely disliked and distrusted she is, and that is Hillary Clinton...

[Big RR]

All that proves is that the majority of the American people are ignorant and cannot understand simple English, or are willfully ignorant because they don't like HRC.

Go ahead, call me an elitist bitch, but I'm sick of explaining the same simple concepts over and over to people. It's exhausting, and I'm just about done with it.

Even if you are right, she has to be elected by those same people, and I hope she realizes it. Like it or not, it is an issue to many, and I hope her campaign does the right thing because the alternative is too terrible to imagine.

[rubato]

The Democratic party has knitted up what in fact were minor differences with a little judicious compromise.



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[MajGenl.Meade]

The Democratic party has knitted up what in fact were minor differences with a little judicious compromise.

Hillary knits while truth is compromised

[rubato]

Did she start a war with lies? A war that has cost us more than a Trillion dollars and the respect and support of our allies?

Perhaps if you had taken drawing lessons you would have learned about perspective, vanishing points, things like that.



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[MajGenl.Meade]

I know what happens to the oozelum bird

[wesw]

don t be so hard on yourself, guin.

it s hard to admit that you have been wrong for so many years.....

now Hillary?

that is one elitst bitch, that is....

(I left an imperfection for you. go ahead and call me stupid if it gets you thru the day..... )

enjoy the south of france...

...it seems that one of those pesky "several dozen" nutjobs made it to Nice,...., I m sure it s just an aberration tho, nuthin to worry your pretty little head about...

nuthin to do with Islam.... , just an oppressed good guy acting out because the frenchies are so horrible to foreigners....

you know full well that the French can be a bit obnoxious about certain things, of course they derserve to die if they insulted a muslim..., duh....

JE SUISSE CHARLIE HEBDO (sorry if the spelling is wrong, I haven t studied French for about 30 yrs now...)