Largest mass shooting in American history

[rubato]

Yes, more are killed by guns. But if they were not available, I think the sick ones would turn to other means like box trucks....

The more difficult you make something the less often it will occur.

The easier you make something the more often it will occur.

That is why having guns in the house multiplies the odds of dying by gunfire. And states with more guns have more police killed.

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/15/9157087/po ... -homicides

More police officers are killed on duty in states with more guns

Updated by German Lopez on July 8, 2016, 8:25 a.m. ET @germanrlopez german.lopez@vox.com
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In the aftermath of the mass shooting in Dallas that killed multiple police officers, there is one thing policymakers could do to prevent the number of deaths of officers on the line of duty: limit access to guns.

That was the suggestion of a study from 2015. The study, published in the American Journal of Public Health, looked at federal data for firearm ownership and homicides of police officers across the US over 15 years. It found that states with more gun ownership had more cops killed in homicides: Every 10 percent increase in firearm ownership correlated with 10 additional officers killed in homicides over the 15-year study period.

This is a problem we can reduce the severity of.


yrs,
rubato

[Burning Petard]

Lies, Damn Lies, Statistics.

I have also seen 'reliable' charts showing that the killing of police officers across the USofA has gone down each year for the Obama presidency.

snailgate

[liberty]

I thought that maybe SG's link went to something about spud guns...

But no...

I'm not quite following where you were coming from or going to with that lib....

You are the straight type, in the way you deal with people, so I will give to you straight: It is not the guns that make this country violent it is the people. Even if one could eliminate the 300 million or so guns in private hands in this country which can’t be done, people could devise there own way of mass violence.

Check this out: http://www.buckstix.com/howitzer.htm

[Scooter]

So Americans are just naturally more bloodthirsty than other peoples, is that your explanation?

Pretty low opinion you have of your fellow countrymen.

[Bicycle Bill]

So Americans are just naturally more bloodthirsty than other peoples, is that your explanation?

Scooter, you are closer to correct than you can imagine.

-"BB"-

[rubato]

So Americans are just naturally more bloodthirsty than other peoples, is that your explanation?

Scooter, you are closer to correct than you can imagine.

-"BB"-

If that is true then it means we need to understand why we kill more often and address the problem. If guns were more difficult to get then would people not less often have available the tools to fulfill our allegedly blood thirsty impulses? Or to put it another way wouldn't it be wiser to give fewer guns to blood thirsty people rather than a lot more?


yrs,
rubato

[Darren]

Determining who is the most blood thirsty would be interesting. How do you define that? Appalachians might qualify depending on the criteria. At one time WV had one of the highest per capita participation rates in the military. Is that due to the heavy percentage of Scotch-Irish ancestry? Does the problem go back to those who came to the New World even as indentured servants to escape the shackles of the Old World? Many fled to the mountains never to be seen again by their masters.

Even today "Needs killing" is not an unusual phrase.

In a science fiction story long ago, the aggression was eliminated from the human race which then faced the unintended consequences.

[RayThom]

Yo, Darren, you finally got here. You may find your conservative views are better received here than they were at LCH. As you'll notice, there's plenty to read if you plan to catch up. Good luck.

[dales]

Yo, Darren, you finally got here. You may find your conservative views are better received here[by some people] than they were at LCH. As you'll notice, there's plenty to read if you plan to catch up. Good luck.

Howdy Darren

[kmccune]

Well about the WVA thing,as was the neighboring counties in VA,mass poverty drove a lot of people to enlist,because if you didnt have money ,you still had to pay taxes or the generous omniscient govt would take your ancestors land from you(there was always some greedy bastard ready to snap it up ).Finally this area has been found and the fruitbats ,wankers and Nimbys are are moving in and snapping up land by the droves .
Anyway back to something resembling the original post ,yes having a gun gives some hothead the opportunity to do something in an instant for which they can never repay (heard that lament a time or two ) Ol' wise Commonwealth now allows concealed carry in bars.But I think there is absolutely no reason for civilians to own assault weapons a powerful rifle with a 3 shot magazine is sufficient ,a six shooter revolver is plenty ,a limited magazine shot gun is plenty,do away with the AK 47S and street sweepers and UZIs ,there is no justification for their existence in the normal world.as a Felon I cannot legally own a gun (cant say that I miss it ) The average housebreaker is not going to have a very nice time if it screws with me .

[liberty]

What has changed? What is driving this community breakdown in the social contract that makes people more frightened of an attack on their personal safety than my maternal grandparents were as newly weds in a sod dugout, squatting illegally in Indian Territory, miles from any friendly face?

(((((snailgate)))))

Well I will say it since no one else is likely to say it: If we loved God more we would hate other people less. I am not saying that Christians are perfect, but true Christians tries harder to be the kind of people God wants us to be.

[Scooter]

So is it atheists, or is it people who belong to one religion or another who have gone around committing all of these mass shootings? It would appear that there hasn't been an atheist mass murderer in quite some time...

[Lord Jim]

an atheist mass murderer

[Scooter]

We're talking about shootings in the United States. Dick.

[Crackpot]

that guy who killed his Muslim neighbors (reportedly over a parking spot) in North Carolina(?) (I don't remember for sure) was Atheist.

ETA:

link

[MajGenl.Meade]

A self-described "gun-toting" atheist who frequently battled neighbors over parking was indicted Monday for murder in the shooting deaths of three Muslim students near the University of North Carolina last week, according to news reports.

Craig Hicks, 46, of Chapel Hill, was indicted on three counts of murder and one count of discharging a firearm into an occupied dwelling in the Tuesday afternoon slayings of Deah Shaddy Barakat, 23; his new wife, Yusor Mohammad Abu-Salha, 21; and her 19-year-old sister, Razan Mohammad Abu-Salha.

Feb 15 2015

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015 ... /23514293/

[rubato]

an atheist mass murderer

Communism functioned more like the midieval Catholic Church than atheism.

It had a sacred text which was considered the source of all morality just like the Inquisition and killed and tortured people the same way.





Yrs,
Rubato

[MajGenl.Meade]

Which sacred text was that, rubato? Sorry... Rubato. Either the Mrs. or the neighborhood stray cat got at the keyboard again.

The Inquisition.... seems to have executed at least 1303 persons. The actual number may be somewhat higher.

Stalin on the other hand:

Dyadkin estimated that the USSR suffered 56 to 62 million "unnatural deaths" during that period, with 34 to 49 million directly linked to Stalin. In “Europe A History,” British historian Norman Davies counted 50 million killed between 1924-53, excluding wartime casualties

http://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people- ... ll-1111789

Stalin was brought up in a highly "religious" household and suffered from his father's despotism. However....

During his time in power, Stalin had a complex relationship with religion. He officially adopted the Russian Communist Party’s stance on religion, claiming atheism and continuing the tradition of teaching atheism in schools and propagating the idea that religion was only damaging to a perfect communist society. Stalin even took it further than his predecessor, Lenin, and initiated a nationwide campaign to destroy churches and religious property and even persecute and kill church officials. It is said that under Stalin, the Russian Orthodox Church went from 50,000 to 500 open and operating churches.

Stalin once said: You know, they are fooling us, there is no God… all this talk about God is sheer nonsense. He also said: One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic

http://hollowverse.com/joseph-stalin/ This seems a reasonably fair site - it does speak of his political moves during the crisis of WW2 to re-introduce (state controlled) religion.

And these are the equivalents you choose to compare in order to defend...... what? Stalin? Atheists?

[Lord Jim]

We're talking about shootings in the United States. Dick.

So you choose to discredit my argument by calling me a "dick"...

Lovely....

[Crackpot]

Hey! He loves Dick.