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The GOP are completely ass-backwards and ignorant, that's how you got Trump and Bush.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show ... -the-globe

By Steve Benen
Republicans are heavily invested in the idea that President Obama lacks international respect. There’s new evidence that suggests the GOP has it backwards.

It was just a few months ago that Jeb Bush insisted that during the Obama era, “We have lost the trust and confidence of our friends. Around the same time, Scott Walker and Donald Trump reportedly had a chat about “how poorly” the United States is now “perceived throughout the world.” Mitt Romney added, “It is hard to name even a single country that has more respect and admiration for America today than when President Obama took office.”

Actually, it’s incredibly easy to name countries that have more respect and admiration for the United States today than when President Obama took office. The Pew Research Center published a report last week on “Global Attitudes & Trends” and found that America’s overall image around the world remains quite positive – and in much of the world, impressions of the U.S. have improved since the end of the Bush/Cheney era.

More specifically, though, President Obama is an especially popular figure in many parts of the world.

Half or more in 29 of 40 countries surveyed say they have confidence in President Obama to do the right thing in world affairs. Throughout his terms in office, Obama has received particularly strong ratings in Europe and Africa, and that continues to be the case this year. Majorities in every EU and sub-Saharan African nation surveyed give him positive marks. […]

Overall, Obama’s image has improved in the last year. In 14 countries of the 36 countries where trends from 2014 are available, more people now say they have confidence in the U.S. president. The largest gain occurred in India, which Obama visited in January. Almost three-in-four Indians express confidence in Obama, up from 48% a year ago. Double digit gains are also found in Ghana (+22 points), Turkey (+21), Nigeria (+20), Uganda (+11) and Brazil (+11).

It’s probably time for Republicans to update their talking points.

In fairness, Obama’s popularity is not universal. He fares far less well in the Middle East – including a drop of support in Israel, where Netanyahu allies have soured on the U.S. leader – and the president is wildly unpopular in Russia for reasons that should be obvious.

But in general, across the board, particularly among U.S. allies in Europe and Asia-Pacific, Obama enjoys considerable public support.

Just as important is the fact that we can compare international impressions of Obama with those of his immediate predecessor. I found this Pew Research Center report from late 2008, which found much of the planet losing respect for the U.S. and rejecting George W. Bush to a striking degree.

And therein lies the irony of contemporary GOP whining – Republicans seem absolutely convinced that President Obama is seen abroad as a hapless failure, but the argument is completely backwards. Obama is quite popular across much of the planet, while it’s Bush who was reviled abroad. GOP candidates promising to restore global respect for the White House have a problem: they’re six years too late.

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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... ent-obama/



Jean-Marc Leger, President of WIN/Gallup International said:

“Firstly, there are two leaders with significantly more awareness than others. While President Obama’s popularity at home has struggled in recent years, on the world stage he remains the most popular leader. President Putin on the other hand is much admired at home and in the largest country in the world but globally his reputation is less favourable.”



Q Please indicate whether you have a very favourable, somewhat favourable, somewhat unfavourable or very unfavourable opinion of each of the following world leaders?
********************** ************ Favourable ************ Unfavourable ************ Net Score
US President Barack Obama ************ 59% ************ 29% ************ 30%
German Chancellor Angela Merkel ************ 42% ************ 29% ************ 13%
British Prime Minister David Cameron ************ 37% ************ 28% ************ 10%
French President Francois Hollande ************ 35% ************ 29% ************ 6%
Russian President Vladimir Putin ************ 33% ************ 43% ************ -10%
Chinese President Xi Jinping ************ 27% ************ 30% ************ -3%
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi ************ 24% ************ 20% ************ 4%
Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff ************ 24% ************ 23% ************ *
Saudi Arabia King Salman bin Abdulaziz al Saud ************ 20% ************ 31% ************ -11%
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani ************ 19% ************ 32% ************ -13%



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Okay rube, try reading this again, this time for comprehension. (Go as slowly as you need to and feel free to move your lips...)

And I'll try to make it really easy for you:
Internationally, we currently have a President who is neither respected nor feared by the leadership of any country on the planet, friend or foe. This is a terrible situation; the sooner he is gone the better.
Half or more in 29 of 40 countries surveyed say they have confidence in President Obama to do the right thing in world affairs. blah blah blah...
You do realize of course, (What am thinking? Of course you don't...) that it matters not one whit what the average schmo on "the street" of any country thinks about Obama. In Europe in particular there's a sizeable portion of people on the left who are always delighted when the US has it's thumb up it's ass and asserts no leadership. (Because they are too ignorant and naive to realize that this endangers them as well...These are the successors to the numbskulls that were involved in the idiotic Soviet-backed "nuclear freeze" movement in the 1980s)

What matters is what the leaders of countries think, and not what they say publicly, but how they behave and what actions and inactions they take, and what policies they pursue...

And by that relevant measure, (as opposed to the completely irrelevant measure in that pointless article you posted) Jeb Bush was absolutely 100% correct....

Anyone who has been paying even minimal attention to the actions of foreign governments, both allies and adversaries (which obviously would not include you) and is willing to analyze them with even the slightest degree of objectivity, (again, not you) over the course of this Administration will see that the degree of respect Obama has engendered started out low and has declined further and further from there...
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There's also the PC ass-kissing effect

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Remember what RMN did ,anyway arent emails private or are they public domain ? :shrug

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There is zero evidence that Obama is not respected and occasionally feared (Drone strikes in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria? Air strikes against Qaddafi? Airstrikes in Syria? Bin Laden? support of French intervention in Mali. &c) by leaders around the world and a great deal of evidence that he is profoundly respected and often feared. He has been a leader in support of Ukraine and opposition to Putin (Bush II and Trump's friend). He has led the creation of the TPP. He pushed for retaliation against Assad for using chemical weapons (while the cowardly Republicans blocked it). He has with great vigor defended access to international waters falsely claimed by China.


Pure invention and counter to the obvious facts. Mere blubbering. Like a baby. Bush, was and is, despised internationally. Your latest nominee Trump is a laughing stock.


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Pure invention and counter to the obvious facts. Mere blubbering. Like a baby.
I'm assuming that was intended as a description of the ignorant shilling nonsense that you wrote in the paragraph above it, since it's a quite accurate description.
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Hillary Clinton's campaign is set to be hit by a bombshell only months out from the election as the FBI uncovers more than 14,900 emails and documents that had not been previously disclosed by her lawyers.

A federal judge on Monday pressed the State Department to begin releasing the emails from her time as secretary of state sooner than mid-October as had been planned.

Justice Department lawyers said last week that the State Department would review and turn over Clinton's work-related emails to a conservative legal group. The records are among "tens of thousands" of documents found by the FBI in its probe and turned over to the State Department, Justice Department attorney Lisa Ann Olson said on Monday in court.

The 14,900 Clinton documents are nearly 50 per cent more than the roughly 30,000 emails that Clinton's lawyers deemed work-related and returned to the department in December 2014.
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Gob wrote:
Hillary Clinton's campaign is set to be hit by a bombshell only months out from the election as the FBI uncovers more than 14,900 emails and documents that had not been previously disclosed by her lawyers.

A federal judge on Monday pressed the State Department to begin releasing the emails from her time as secretary of state sooner than mid-October as had been planned.

Justice Department lawyers said last week that the State Department would review and turn over Clinton's work-related emails to a conservative legal group. The records are among "tens of thousands" of documents found by the FBI in its probe and turned over to the State Department, Justice Department attorney Lisa Ann Olson said on Monday in court.

The 14,900 Clinton documents are nearly 50 per cent more than the roughly 30,000 emails that Clinton's lawyers deemed work-related and returned to the department in December 2014.
No attribution, no link, no nuthin'.  So as far as I'm concerned, it's bullshit.
Yeah, I know I could search for it, but I shouldn't have to.  If it's significant enough for you to quote it when you post it, it should merit a citation as to where you found it or who said it originally.
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“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”

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Thank you, Gob.
See?  That wasn't so hard now, was it?
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drip drip drip....

enough drips can de stabilize a whole mountainside.....

when a whole mountainside is de stabilized....

....a LANDSLIDE! can be reasonably expected to result....

...and it all began with a few drip drip drips......

vote trump....

...or Johnson....

...or Stein....

anybody but stinkin' dirty crooked Hillary Rotten Clinton.....

for the love of god, meade, anyone but Clinton.....

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Yet another yooge example of complete Clinton disregard for the appearance of impropriety; a corollary to their guiding, foundational (no pun intended) principle, "The rules that apply to others don't apply to us":
Now Hillary has a big Clinton Foundation problem, too

By Chris Cillizza August 23 at 4:10 PM

Hillary Clinton has never been great at understanding that, in politics, perception almost always equals reality. Witness this story that just broke from the Associated Press:
More than half the people outside the government who met with Hillary Clinton while she was secretary of state gave money — either personally or through companies or groups — to the Clinton Foundation. It's an extraordinary proportion indicating her possible ethics challenges if elected president.

At least 85 of 154 people from private interests who met or had phone conversations scheduled with Clinton while she led the State Department donated to her family charity or pledged commitments to its international programs, according to a review of State Department calendars released so far to The Associated Press. Combined, the 85 donors contributed as much as $156 million. At least 40 donated more than $100,000 each, and 20 gave more than $1 million.
So, er, okay.

Let's stipulate two things here before I go any further:

1. Correlation is not causation.

2. Quid pro quos are very, very, very hard to prove.

But, COME ON, MAN. It is literally impossible to look at those two paragraphs and not raise your eyebrows. Half of all of the nongovernmental people Clinton either met with or spoke to on the phone during her four years at the State Department were donors to the Clinton Foundation! HALF.

And those 85 people donated $156 million, which, according to my calculator, breaks down to an average contribution just north of $1.8 million. (Yes, I know that not everyone gave the same amount.)

It just plain looks bad. Really bad.

No one is alleging that the Clinton Foundation didn't (and doesn't) do enormous amounts of good around the world. It does. (That's for you, my dearest Twitter haters.) But what the Clinton Foundation does with the money it receives isn't the point here. At issue is whether there was a too-fuzzy line between Clinton's work at the State Department and the contributions being made to the foundation. And while nothing in the AP story is proof of any wrongdoing, it is proof of bad judgment.

There's no planet on which this sentence could ever be good for a politician running for office -- much less the presidency: "More than half the people outside the government who met with Hillary Clinton while she was secretary of state gave money — either personally or through companies or groups — to the Clinton Foundation."

What's remarkable to me is that no one -- not Clinton, not her most loyal lieutenant, Huma Abedin, not Bill Clinton -- saw the possible appearance of a conflict of interest inherent in this setup. Especially because Hillary Clinton's presidential ambitions were never not a thing when she was at the State Department. It was always a possibility that she would run again for president. And yet, this.

The argument from Clinton's campaign and her loyalists to this latest news will go something like this: She met with these people because they had legitimate business before the State Department. Whether or not they donated to the Clinton Foundation was not part of her calculations for deciding whether to take a meeting or a phone call. The donations are purely coincidental.

Simplify that line of defense and you get this: Trust us. Trust us that donations to the Clinton Foundation were totally isolated from Clinton's official business at State. It's impossible to prove us right. But trust us.["trust us" is going to be viewed by many as a pretty weak argument when it comes from someone who is a proven serial liar.]

That's exactly the argument that Clinton is making when it comes to the 30,000-plus emails that were permanently deleted from her private email server because her team of lawyers deemed them entirely personal in nature. Even though those lawyers didn't read the emails and we know from FBI Director James B. Comey that several thousand work-related emails that Clinton didn't turn over were found in other places, we need to simply trust Clinton that this was all done on the up and up.

To be clear: I have no evidence -- none -- that Clinton broke any law or did anything intentionally shady. But, man oh man, does this latest news about the Clinton Foundation cloud her campaign's attempts to paint the charity group and her State Department as totally separate and unconnected entities.

If you are Donald Trump -- or any Republican -- trying to sell the idea that the Clintons are and always have operated on a "pay to play" model, you just got a gift more amazing than you could have ever hoped to get.
Trump has to date looked any number of gift horses in the mouth. Will he do it again?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... oblem-too/

ETA:

Please note that this analysis of the "pay for access" situation at the Clinton State Department comes not from the partisan group Judicial Watch, but from a respected independent news organization, the Associated Press...

How many more shoes are going to drop?

If these kinds of revelations continue to come forward, and Kellyanne Conway continues to be successful in curbing Trump from acting on his most self-destructive impulses, (it's been a week at least that I can recall seeing an outrageous news dominating tweet coming from him) this election could wind up being a lot closer than current polls indicate... :? :roll:
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I guess in the big picture, it really was not a big deal, but there was the news that while the president played golf (not at a Trump resort), the Donald, out of the goodness of his heart, visited the flooded-out people of Baton Rouge and delivered much appreciated Play Doh.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... ge%2Fstory

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And gave $100,000 to a local anti-gay hate 'Christian' group. :roll:
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What Hillary should want to be the lead focus in this news cycle, is Trump's flipping and flopping, then flipping then flopping again on his mass deportation plan...

But instead, that story takes second place to the State Department-Clinton Foundation Connection...

She has only one person to blame for this...
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Lord Jim wrote:... She has only one person to blame for this...
All Hillary has to do is admit she fucked up and get on with it. I've said it many time, the election is hers to lose... and she's doing a masterful job of doing just that.

She'll be the most disgraced politician since Joe McCarthy if Trump become #45.

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