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MGMcAnick wrote:
BoSoxGal wrote: (Percent of the charity’s total expenses spent on the programs
and services it delivers) 85.2%
I'm guessing that 85.2% goes to pay their lawyers. Sorry, no gold star from me.
You would be 100% wrong.

CharityNavigator has links to the organizations' 990s (tax exempt tax return forms). You may want to try reading it before you pull statements like that out of your ass.


The hostility to lawyers in this place is ridiculous. Get over yourselves.
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I gave my Bush refund ($1200 total) to the RC after 9/11 (I think it was the folowing spring). Found out their "to the victim rate" and asked (and received) my money back. Handed the $1200 directly to a woman I knew who was widowed from 9/11 (husband was a FDNY and a volly in my old department).

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Under Ms Dole, the Red Cross charity/non profit reorganized its blood bank into an independent, for-profit corporation, wholly owned by the Charity.

"Overhead" for charities and what is acceptable has grown during my lifetime. When I was working as a volunteer for United Way in Kansas City in the late 1950's that organization declared that any group distributing less than 95% for its charitable goal was not a legitimate charity.

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Guinevere wrote:
MGMcAnick wrote:
BoSoxGal wrote: (Percent of the charity’s total expenses spent on the programs and services it delivers) 85.2%
I'm guessing that 85.2% goes to pay their lawyers. Sorry, no gold star from me.
You would be 100% wrong. CharityNavigator has links to the organizations' 990s (tax exempt tax return forms). You may want to try reading it before you pull statements like that out of your ass. The hostility to lawyers in this place is ridiculous. Get over yourselves.
You can examine the ACLU 990s at their own website: https://www.aclu.org/financials

Actually I think that the 120 employees of the ACLU proper (as opposed to the state affiliates and the Foundation) may all be legally qualified - but that makes sense; it's an organization with the whole purpose of intervening in DC (monitoring and recommending legislation) and in courts. They can't all be lawyers though - for their latest 990 answered "No" to whether they had indoor tanning services! :lol:
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Old'r ,I think you hit the magic formula,you actually know your money helped someone in need ,bless you :ok

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I just don't want anyone to think that the "A" in "ACLU" stands for altruistic. It actually stands of Anti Christian Lawyers Union. :nana
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Anti Christian? Then why have they worked so hard to defend the rights of Christians?

https://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-relig ... expression

2016


The ACLU and ACLU of Arizona (2016) secured an accommodation for a Muslim woman who, for religious reasons, did not want to reveal her hair color on her driver’s license.

The ACLU and the ACLU of South Carolina (2016) supported a Muslim student’s request to wear hijab as part of her uniform at a public military college.

The ACLU and the ACLU of Alabama (2016) intervened on behalf of a Christian woman who was forced by the DMV to remove her headscarf, which she wears for religious reasons.


The ACLU of Nebraska (2016) backed a mosque for which the City Council denied a conditional use permit.
2015

The ACLU of New Hampshire (2015) filed suit on behalf of a prisoner’s mother and three-year-old son against a prison policy that prohibits Christmas cards, prayer cards, and drawings sent through the mail.

The ACLU of Hawai’i (2015) secured the rights of a pastor and his wife to hand out religious literature on a public sidewalk.

The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2015) interceded on behalf of a Christian inmate seeking to have a communal prayer during the Christmas holiday.


The ACLU of Northern California (2015) represented a Native American public high school student who wanted to wear a ceremonial feather in his graduation cap.

The ACLU and ACLU of Florida (2015) successfully persuaded Walt Disney World to accommodate a Sikh mail carrier who wanted to perform his regular job duties with his religiously mandated beard and turban intact, regardless of the company’s “Look Policy.”

The ACLU and the ACLU of the Nation’s Capital (2015) won a lawsuit allowing a Sikh student to enroll in ROTC while still wearing his articles of faith.
The ACLU of Nebraska (2015) supported a man’s right to hand out the gospel of Jesus Christ outside an arena.

The ACLU of Indiana (2015) challenged a state law preventing sex offenders from attending religious worship services.

The ACLU of Virginia (2015) defended students’ right to wear rosary beads in a public high school.

The ACLU of Michigan (2015) backed Christian evangelists’ right to protest at a street festival.


2014
The ACLU, the ACLU of Alabama (2014), and a cohort of former corrections officials filed a brief in support of a Muslim prisoner who was denied the right to grow a half-inch beard in compliance with his religious beliefs.

The ACLU and the ACLU of Alabama (2014) filed a lawsuit to protect a pastor’s right to provide housing and ministry to those in need.

The ACLU of Texas (2014) spoke out against overly broad subpoenas served on pastors.


The ACLU of New Jersey (2014) defended a man’s right to wear a religious head-covering in court.

The ACLU of Louisiana (2014) secured a student’s right to maintain his religiously mandated hairstyle.

The ACLU of Nebraska (2014) defended a Christian man’s right to distribute religious pamphlets outside an arena.

The ACLU of Virginia (2014) decried the state’s denial of a permit for a National Day of Prayer event on Capitol Square.


The ACLU of Tennessee (2014) defended an elementary-school student’s right to read his Bible during a free-reading period.

The ACLU of Virginia (2014) supported the right of Christian students to proselytize on a community college campus.

The ACLU of New Jersey (2014) defended an orthodox Christian man’s right to wear his religious head-covering in a municipal courtroom.


The ACLU, the ACLU of Alabama (2014), and a cohort of former corrections officials filed a brief in support of a Muslim prisoner who was denied the right to grow a half-inch beard in compliance with his religious beliefs.

The ACLU and the ACLU of Florida (2014) filed a friend-of-the-court brief supporting Jewish prisoners’ right to receive a Kosher diet.

The ACLU and the ACLU of Wyoming (2014) sent a letter protesting the Wyoming Department of Corrections’ practice of prohibiting prisoners from wearing religious headgear outside of their cells.
2013

The ACLU and ACLU of Eastern Missouri (2013) sought access to religious websites that had been blocked at the public library.

The ACLU of Alabama (2013) represented a prisoner seeking to wear his hair unshorn in accordance with his Native American faith.

The ACLU and the ACLU of Oklahoma (2013) filed a brief in support of a Muslim job applicant who faced religious discrimination in the hiring process.

The ACLU of Washington (2013) supported the right of Orthodox Christian, Hindu, and Muslim employees to an accommodation for their religious dietary needs.

The ACLU and the ACLU of Mississippi (2013) defended the right of a Sikh man to wear a turban and carry a kirpan, without being subjected to harassment, in encounters with the Mississippi Department of Transportation and a Pike County judge/ during a traffic stop and courtroom appearance.

The ACLU and the New York Civil Liberties Union (2013) filed a lawsuit challenging the New York City Police Department's practice of targeting entire Muslim communities for discriminatory and suspicionless surveillance.
2012

The ACLU of North Carolina (2012) advocated for allowing a 6-year-old to read aloud a poem with the word "God" in it at her school's Veterans Day assembly, in response to school officials' decision to remove the word.

The ACLU of North Carolina (2012) objected to a decision by the presiding deputy of a Lenoir County courtroom to eject a man observing court proceedings after he refused to remove his kufi – a knitted skull cap commonly worn by Muslim men.

The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2012) filed a brief in support of a fifth grader's right to share her religious beliefs with classmates by distributing invitations to a Christmas party hosted by a local church.


The ACLU of Virginia (2012) represented four Sikh men challenging a law that allows ordained ministers to receive a license to perform marriages without posting a bond, but requires representatives of religions that have no ordained ministers, like Sikhism, to post a $500 bond.

The ACLU of Louisiana (2012) filed a lawsuit on behalf of a member of Raven Ministries, a Christian congregation that regularly preaches the Gospel in New Orleans's French Quarter. The lawsuit challenged a city ordinance that restricts religious speech on Bourbon Street after dark. As a result of the lawsuit, a federal judge issued an order that blocks enforcement of the law.

The ACLU of Michigan (2012) successfully represented Muslim and Seventh-Day Adventist prisoners in a religious class action challenging two Michigan Department of Corrections policies: one which accommodated Jewish inmates by providing kosher meals while denying Muslim inmates halal meals, while the other failed to excuse inmates from their prison jobs on the Sabbath.

The ACLU of Virginia (2012 and 2010) opposed bans on students' right to wear rosary beads at two public middle schools. The schools dropped the bans after receiving letters from the ACLU.
Letter to Matacoa Middle School
Letter Fairfield Middle School

The ACLU of Utah (2012) filed a lawsuit on behalf of members of the Main Street Church, a non-denominational Christian church in Brigham City, who were denied access to certain city streets for the purpose of handing out religious literature. An agreement was reached with the city allowing church members to distribute their literature.


The ACLU of New Mexico (2012) filed a lawsuit on behalf of two Christian street preachers who were arrested multiple times for exercising their First Amendment rights by preaching in public.

The ACLU and the ACLU of Texas (2012) filed a brief in support of an observant Jewish prisoner's right to receive kosher meals.
2011

The ACLU of Texas (2011) opposed a public high school's policy prohibiting students from wearing visible rosaries and crosses in the Brownsville Independent School District.

The ACLU of Nebraska (2011) opposed a policy at Fremont Public School that would prevent students from wearing Catholic rosaries to school.

The ACLU of Texas (2011) filed a brief in support of students in the Plano school district who wanted to include Christian messages in their holiday gift bags.


The ACLU of Virginia (2011) defended the free religious expression of a group of Christian athletes in Floyd County High School who had copies of the Ten Commandments removed from their personal lockers.


The ACLU and the ACLU of Southern California (2011) filed a lawsuit on behalf of a Sikh inmate who has faced multiple disciplinary sanctions for refusing to trim his beard on religious grounds. Keeping unshorn hair is one of the central tenets of the Sikh faith.

The ACLU of Connecticut (2011) filed a lawsuit on behalf of a Naval officer who sought recognition as a conscientious objector because of his Christian convictions against war. After a period of intense religious study, reflection, and prayer, he had come to realize that his religious beliefs were in conflict with his military service. The officer's request was subsequently granted and he received an honorable discharge.
New York Times Article


The ACLU of Southern California (2011) filed a lawsuit against the FBI alleging that an agent had infiltrated a California mosque and violated the constitutional rights of hundreds of Muslims by targeting them for surveillance because of their religion.
Washington Post Article

Just a few recent years.

The ACLU has done more to protect the rights of Christians than any Christian group has ever done.


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He just has to show the bigotry muscle at every opportunity, don't he?

Yes, the ACLU defends the rights of all persons according to the Constitution. Yes, it is not "anti-Christian" in any sense of the word.

So why, rubato, do you need to sneer "....than any Christian group has ever done"? Is it the function of Christian groups to be lawyers?

Is there some reason that Christians (alone of all US citizens) should be expected to turn to "Christian groups" for defense of their Constitutional rights rather than to the ACLU, a respected non-partisan organization with the best expertise in defending Constitutional rights?

Are we to conclude that you will venomously partition things similarly along the lines that ".... than any LGBTQ group has ever done"? Or "....than any Democratic party group has ever done"? Or "....than any other Japanese American group has ever done"? Of ".... than any other African American group has ever done"?

I think not. So shut it.
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So they've stood up for some individuals who were being discriminated against because they were not one of the 'main-stream America' religions (Sikhism, Islam, Native American beliefs) and supported the desire of some students to wear religious items such as rosary beads — which I would suspect was probably being done as a Madonna wanna-be fad or a fashion statement, in much the same way wearing a pacifier on a string around one's neck was a 'thing' back in the mid-'90s, more than anything else.  Good for them.

Would you care to count how many lawsuits they have been involved with where they are backing someone's claim that they are "offended" by a public display of a nativity scene, a cross on a hillside, or a Ten Commandment monolith?
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25 cases that rubato cited were defenses of Christians - he neglected to bold as many as he could have done.

Nativity scenes, ten commandment displays, a cross on a hillside - (I'd like to see you cite the latter case) - are objected to by the ACLU when they are displayed by governments. Private citizen Christians would be defended by the ACLU.

Jeremiah 5:21 Pay attention, you foolish and stupid people, who have eyes, but cannot see, and have ears, but cannot hear:
The ACLU of Virginia (2011) defended the free religious expression of a group of Christian athletes in Floyd County High School who had copies of the Ten Commandments removed from their personal lockers
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MajGenl.Meade wrote:He just has to show the bigotry muscle at every opportunity, don't he?

Yes, the ACLU defends the rights of all persons according to the Constitution. Yes, it is not "anti-Christian" in any sense of the word.

So why, rubato, do you need to sneer "....than any Christian group has ever done"? Is it the function of Christian groups to be lawyers?

Is there some reason that Christians (alone of all US citizens) should be expected to turn to "Christian groups" for defense of their Constitutional rights rather than to the ACLU, a respected non-partisan organization with the best expertise in defending Constitutional rights?

Are we to conclude that you will venomously partition things similarly along the lines that ".... than any LGBTQ group has ever done"? Or "....than any Democratic party group has ever done"? Or "....than any other Japanese American group has ever done"? Of ".... than any other African American group has ever done"?

I think not. So shut it.
You are ashamed of the record of your own denomination. That is good.

I was responding to this:
" It actually stands of Anti Christian Lawyers Union."
Which is why Christian denominations were called out for their lack of effort.

"... Are we to conclude that you will venomously partition things similarly along the lines that ".... than any LGBTQ group has ever done"? Or "....than any Democratic party group has ever done"? Or "....than any other Japanese American group has ever done"? Of ".... than any other African American group has ever done"? ... "

They do different things from LGBTQ groups and I do not think they have done more for that community than LGBTQ groups have done. The 'coming out' movement has been the most important to eroding bigotry against them and this is their own doing.

Our friends were interred in Manzanar, my father's shakuhachi teacher and his family. The ACLU filed two cases at that time
U.S. citizens by birth. The Northern California affiliate of the ACLU courageously led the ACLU's fight on behalf of the Japanese-Americans and handled the two principal cases before the Supreme Court, Hirabayashi v. United States (1943) and Korematsu v. United States (1944). Although the ACLU lost both those cases, the cause was just. But it wasn't until 1990 that redress payments of $20,000 along with letters of apology signed by the first President George Bush were presented to approximately 60,000 survivors of the internment.
But I think overall it was less than the actions of the japanese themselves. The JACL (Japanese-American citizens league) has done a lot to reduce anti-Japanese prejudice postwar. The actions and profound sacrifices of the Japanese themselves in the form of the 442nd were greater than anything anyone else could ever do to shame people into acknowledging the humanity of the Japanese. Reparations came about because of their own efforts led by Daniel Inoue and Congressman Mineta.

The NAACP, SCLC, &c have done a lot for civil rights of black people and I don't think the ACLU has done as much or even the same sorts of things. There were some Christians involved, mostly black ones, and most of the southern white churches were opposed.


Some denominations have been very active in defending religious freedom. Mostly minority sects who are conscious of the history of bigotry and oppression and aware of their own vulnerability. I went to church with my dad a few months ago and the minister talked about Trumps call for persecution of Muslims and he said "That is US too". Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Amish and a few others.


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Bicycle Bill wrote: "...
Would you care to count how many lawsuits they have been involved with where they are backing someone's claim that they are "offended" by a public display of a nativity scene, a cross on a hillside, or a Ten Commandment monolith?
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They have opposed cases where the state put up crosses &c. Not because anyone was offended but to preserve the principal of separation of church and state.




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rubato wrote:You are ashamed of the record of your own denomination. That is good.
That is not the case. Pure misrepresentation by you.
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MajGenl.Meade wrote:
rubato wrote:You are ashamed of the record of your own denomination. That is good.
That is not the case. Pure misrepresentation by you.


Then you have more to do in your own moral education.

Religious persecution in the US has been done almost all* by Christians against minority Christian sects and all other religious groups. And it dates from the earliest European settlements.

Civil rights are a secular invention no surprise that their greatest champions have been athiests and Jews who have good reason to fear Christians.


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* can't think of a single counter-example. But I will accept that it might have happened.

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You are quite reprehensible. The issue was not religious persecution. The issue was whether or not the ACLU is "anti-Christian". You cited many cases to show that was wrong. I agreed with you on that.

You then make some turdish reference that the ACLU has done more for Christians than their own "group". I object to that characterization on the grounds that is as irrelevant as claiming that the ACLU (a group dedicated to legally opposing unconstitutional laws and actions) has done more for "group x" than group x has done for itself.

Of course they have. The issue is one of courts and the law. Of course the ACLU has taken on defending more people than (say) Grace Baptist church in Kent, OH. Grace Baptist church has never sent a lawyer to DC to argue before the Supreme Court on behalf of believer John from Wichita. It's not the mission of Grace Baptist church to do that - fighting unconstitutional actions in court.

That's why there is an ACLU. If you want to drag persecution and your favorite bigotry about Christians into every thread then go ahead. You make yourself look as prejudiced and ridiculous as wesw - only with less excuse
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It will all change "When the Man comes around "I used to like the ACLU ,till I really started paying attention as to whom they represented in the majority of cases .I am happy to hear that they have actually represented some Christian interests.

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MGMcAnick wrote:I just don't want anyone to think that the "A" in "ACLU" stands for altruistic. It actually stands of Anti Christian Lawyers Union. :nana
Bicycle Bill wrote:So they've stood up for some individuals who were being discriminated against because they were not one of the 'main-stream America' religions (Sikhism, Islam, Native American beliefs) and supported the desire of some students to wear religious items such as rosary beads — which I would suspect was probably being done as a Madonna wanna-be fad or a fashion statement, in much the same way wearing a pacifier on a string around one's neck was a 'thing' back in the mid-'90s, more than anything else. Good for them.
kmccune wrote:It will all change "When the Man comes around "I used to like the ACLU ,till I really started paying attention as to whom they represented in the majority of cases .I am happy to hear that they have actually represented some Christian interests.
WTF????? Are you all really that ignorant and plain wrong about the ACLU???? Meade has its mission and philosophy exactly right, and rubato has cited just a few of the many many cases where the ACLU has stood up for the rights of Christians -- as well as Jews, Muslims, other minority sects and non-believers. I was formerly a coordinating attorney for ACLU-NJ (an unpaid volunteer position) and handled several church-and-state and free-speech cases. (My S-I-L currently works for the national organization as a senior exec in their communications department.)

Who do you expect such an organization to represent, other than the voiceless and marginalized? What causes would you expect it to champion, if not the preservation of constitutionally-guaranteed liberties against governmental overreach and oppression?
Bicycle Bill wrote:Would you care to count how many lawsuits they have been involved with where they are backing someone's claim that they are "offended" by a public display of a nativity scene, a cross on a hillside, or a Ten Commandment monolith?
Yes, in fact I can count the total number of such lawsuits: Zero. Do you have some other number that you can actually support? Or are you just making shit up and pulling it out of your ass?
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What she said
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