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The AP’s big exposé on Hillary meeting with Clinton Foundation donors is a mess
Tuesday afternoon, Stephen Braun and Eileen Sullivan of the Associated Press released the results of a review of State Department appointment data that they used to make some striking claims about Hillary Clinton’s schedule as secretary of state.

According to their reporting, Clinton spent a remarkably large share of her time as America’s chief diplomat talking to people who had donated money to the Clinton Foundation. She went out of her way to help these Clinton Foundation donors, and her decision to do so raises important concerns about the ethics of her conduct as secretary and potentially as president. It’s a striking piece of reporting that made immediate waves in my social media feed, as political journalists of all stripes retweeted the story’s headline conclusions.

Except it turns out not to be true. The nut fact that the AP uses to lead its coverage is wrong, and Braun and Sullivan’s reporting reveals absolutely no unethical conduct. In fact, they found so little unethical conduct that an enormous amount of space is taken up by a detailed recounting of the time Clinton tried to help a former Nobel Peace Prize winner who’s also the recipient of a Congressional Gold Medal and a Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Here’s the bottom line: Serving as secretary of state while your husband raises millions of dollars for a charitable foundation that is also a vehicle for your family’s political ambitions really does create a lot of space for potential conflicts of interest. Journalists have, rightly, scrutinized the situation closely. And however many times they take a run at it, they don’t come up with anything more scandalous than the revelation that maybe billionaire philanthropists have an easier time getting the State Department to look into their visa problems than an ordinary person would.

A case study in Clinton Rules reporting

More than a year ago, Jon Allen wrote for Vox about the special "Clinton Rules" that have governed much reporting on Bill and Hillary Clinton over the past 25 years. On the list are the notions that even the most ridiculous charges are worthy of massive investigation, that the Clintons’ bad faith will always be presumed, and that actions that would normally be deemed banal are newsworthy simply because the Clintons are involved.

The blockbuster AP story released Tuesday afternoon fits the model to a T.

Start with this card the AP used to promote the story on social media:
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The point of a card like this is that it will be seen and shared by many more people than click through and read the story itself.

The AP’s teaser tweet, similarly, will be more widely seen and shared than the underlying story.
  • ImageThe Associated Press ✔ @AP
    BREAKING: AP analysis: More than half those who met Clinton as Cabinet secretary gave money to Clinton Foundation.
    12:24 PM - 23 Aug 2016

And within the story itself, of course, the most-read part will be the lead paragraph, which reads:
  • More than half the people outside the government who met with Hillary Clinton while she was secretary of state gave money — either personally or through companies or groups — to the Clinton Foundation. It's an extraordinary proportion indicating her possible ethics challenges if elected president.

The basic allegation here, that the majority of the people Clinton met with as secretary of state were Clinton Foundation donors, is remarkable. And the implication that the investigation that unearthed this striking fact has also revealed "ethics challenges" is important. The many Americans who already have a negative view of Clinton will see these facts ricocheting through their feeds and appearing on Fox chyrons and will further entrench their negative views.

Only a relatively small handful of people will actually read the story from beginning to end and see that there’s no there there.

Hillary Clinton has met more than 154 people

The stark fact highlighted in the AP’s tweet and social share card is, for starters, totally false.

If you read that and thought to yourself that it seems wrong for the secretary of state to be spending so much time in meetings with Clinton Foundation donors rather than talking to US government officials and representatives of foreign countries, then you are in luck. To generate the 154 figure, the AP excluded from the denominator all employees of any government, whether US or foreign. Then when designing social media collateral, it just left out that part, because the truth is less striking and shareable.

Even so, the number 154 is preposterously low, as Clinton would routinely meet dozens of civil society leaders, journalists, and others on any one of her many foreign trips as secretary of state. In the campaign’s official response to the AP, they argue that the data is "cherry picked" from a "limited subset" of her schedule.

But regardless of that, the AP’s social media claims are simply false — ignoring well over 1,000 official meetings with foreign leaders and an unknown number of meetings with domestic US officials.

There was nothing inappropriate about the meetings

Regardless of the denominator, there is still the fact that Clinton had meetings with more than 80 people who also directly or indirectly donated to the Clinton Foundation or related ventures.

As the AP puts it: "[T]he frequency of the overlaps shows the intermingling of access and donations, and fuels perceptions that giving the foundation money was a price of admission for face time with Clinton."

With that lead-in, one is naturally primed to read some scandalous material — a case of someone with a legitimately crucial need to sit down with the secretary of state whose meeting is held up until he can produce cash, or a person with no business getting face time with the secretary nevertheless receiving privileged access in exchange for money. Instead, the most extensively discussed case the AP could come up with is this:

Muhammad Yunus, a Bangladeshi economist who won the 2006 Nobel Peace Prize for pioneering low-interest "microcredit" for poor business owners, met with Clinton three times and talked with her by phone during a period when Bangladeshi government authorities investigated his oversight of a nonprofit bank and ultimately pressured him to resign from the bank's board. Throughout the process, he pleaded for help in messages routed to Clinton, and she ordered aides to find ways to assist him.


I have no particular knowledge of Yunus, Grameen Bank, or the general prospects of microcredit as a philanthropic venture. I can tell you, however, that Yunus not only won the 2006 Nobel Peace Prize but has also been honored with a Presidential Medal of Freedom and a Congressional Gold Medal. In 2008 he was No. 2 on Foreign Policy’s list of the "top 100 global thinkers," and Ted Turner put him on the board of the UN Foundation. He’s received the World Food Prize, the International Simon Bolivar Prize, and the Prince of Asturias Award for Concord.

In other words, he’s a renowned and beloved figure throughout the West, not some moneybags getting help from the State Department in exchange for cash. On the level of pure politics, of course, this is exactly the problem with the Clinton Foundation. Its existence turns the banal into a potential conflict of interest, and shutting it down is the right call. But the fact remains that this is a fantastically banal anecdote.

Equally banal is this finding: "In December that same year, Schwarzman's wife, Christine, sat at Clinton's table during the Kennedy Center Honors. Clinton also introduced Schwarzman, then chairman of the Kennedy Center, before he spoke."

Of course the secretary of state introduced the chair of the Kennedy Center when she attended the Kennedy Center Honors. More substantively, Braun and Sullivan also note that "the State Department was working on a visa issue at Schwarzman's request." One could imagine a scandal here, but the AP doesn’t produce one — was a visa wrongly issued? Or was the State Department simply doing its job and fixing a problem?

The State Department doing its job seems to clearly be the story of the time "Clinton also met in June 2011 with Nancy Mahon of the MAC AIDS, the charitable arm of MAC Cosmetics, which is owned by Estee Lauder." Was the meeting about Mahon trying to swing a plumb internship for a family member? Nope! As the story concedes, "the meeting occurred before an announcement about a State Department partnership to raise money to finance AIDS education and prevention."

Meeting with the head of a charity as part of an effort to raise charitable money is just the system working properly. Read the meat of the article, and the most shocking revelation is what’s not in it — a genuinely interesting example of influence peddling.

The State Department is a big operation. So is the Clinton Foundation. The AP put a lot of work into this project. And it couldn’t come up with anything that looks worse than helping a Nobel Prize winner, raising money to finance AIDS education, and doing an introduction for the chair of the Kennedy Center. It’s kind of surprising.

Journalists need to admit when we’ve struck out

Publication bias is the name of a well-known but hard to solve problem in academic research. A paper with a striking new finding is much more likely to be accepted at a top journal than a paper that says, "I investigated an interesting hypothesis, but it turned out to be wrong." This means that spurious findings — statistical coincidences and such — make it into the published literature, while boring null results don’t. This gives a distorted picture of reality simply because everyone is trying to be interesting.

Similarly, the AP’s basic reporting project here seems like it was worth a shot and probably also fairly time-consuming. But it did not come up with anything. Clinton tried to help a Nobel Prize winner. She went to the Kennedy Center Honors. She had a meeting with the head of the charitable arm of MAC Cosmetics about a State Department charitable initiative.

There’s just nothing here. That’s the story. Braun and Sullivan looked into it, and as best they can tell, she’s clean.

Unfortunately, there’s a financial incentive to lean in the other direction. NBC News found that one major Clinton Foundation donor was a for-profit college whose interests Hillary Clinton has utterly failed to champion, so NBC turned it into a hypocrisy story.
  • 23 Aug
    ImageNBC Nightly News ✔ @NBCNightlyNews
    Examining Bill Clinton's lucrative relationship with the biggest for-profit education company in the world. @CynthiaMcFadden reports now.
  • ImageNBC Nightly News ✔ @NBCNightlyNews
    Hillary Clinton has been vocal critic of for-profit colleges, but Bill Clinton took in $17.6M from one over 5 years. http://nbcnews.to/2bgk1B3
    3:46 PM - 23 Aug 2016

The real news here ought to be just the opposite: Donors to the Clinton Foundation may believe they are buying Hillary Clinton’s political allegiance, but the reality is that they are not. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is someone, somewhere whom Clinton met with whom she wouldn’t have met with had that person not been a Clinton donor of some kind. But what we know is that despite very intensive media scrutiny of the Clinton Foundation, we don’t have hard evidence of any kind of corrupt activity. That’s the story.






ETA:
The AP’s defense of its bad Clinton Foundation story is also bad
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The Clinton Foundation "scandal" is something of an emergent issue. Not in the strictest sense of emergence in philosophy of science which is one where the outcome is inherently not predictable, Niels Bohr was asked if he believed in emergence and said "of course, no one who knew all of the properties of hydrogen and oxygen could ever have predicted the properties of water." But in the sense that it has never come up before as an issue and thus Hillary cannot be blamed for not anticipating it. I cannot recall that before now charitable foundation donations have been ever considered evidence of influence-peddling by anyone let alone "foreigners".

It is certainly true that individuals can profit from charitable groups which they lead. Money flowing in gives you power and influence beyond what you could do individually. You have greater 'access', you are feted, and you might even have a personal income from the group.

So it does make sense that this should be scrutinized and should be a part of the public record of public officials.

But in typical fashion the Republicans and their lap dogs are missing the important point merely to score a point.

The Clintons have behaved reasonably and responsibly since the issue came up and will provide a beginning model for any future politicians in a similar (albeit rare) situation.

And in perspective they are not amoral scum like Antonin Scalia who accepted bribes in the form of thousands of dollars in luxury hunting trips and refused the recuse himself from cases benefitting the bribers.

so there is that.

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Guess which candidate's foundation was caught in an illegal campaign funding scheme?
  • For some time now, the Washington Post’s David Fahrenthold has been looking into the neglected subject of Donald Trump’s charitable giving.

    And most recently he’s found out that Trump’s charitable foundation made an illegal campaign contribution to Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi. Then when they found out they had broken the law, they kinda sorta corrected the error but didn’t actually follow their legal obligation to get the money back.

    It’s all at least a little suspicious. The story includes the phrase: “Trump staffers said that a series of unusual — and unrelated — errors by people working for Trump had led to both the improper donation and to the omission of that donation from the foundation's tax filings.”

    What’s more, the contribution to Bondi came right when she was one of several attorneys general who were looking into possible Trump University fraud investigations. Shortly after receiving the illegal campaign contribution she dropped the investigation.

    Oh, also, it turns out that the Trump Foundation itself was part of a setup to ensure that Trump’s own money was never used to finance a Trump charitable contribution.

    In the grand scheme of the 2016 campaign this seems like maybe not that big of a deal.

    But it’s hard not to notice the fact that various Clinton Foundation lacuna involving such scandalous activity as trying to help a Nobel Peace Prize winner, introducing the chair of the Kennedy Center at the Kennedy Center Honors dinner, and having a meeting with the Crown Prince of Bahrain have been major, cycle-dominating news stories. I think it’s fair to say that a lot more digital pixels have been spent exploring possible conflicts of interest involving Clinton charities than the contents of Clinton’s plan for combatting drug addiction.

    Meanwhile, the various lies and fake donations that Fahrenthold has been investigating have gotten essentially zero bounce anywhere.

    http://www.vox.com/2016/9/2/12759020/tr ... gn-funding
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LOOK OUT BELOOOW!

Here comes another shoe:
FBI recovered 30 new Clinton emails related to Benghazi, State Department says

The State Department says about 30 emails that may be related to the 2012 attack on U.S. compounds in Benghazi, Libya, are among the thousands of Hillary Clinton emails recovered during the FBI's recently closed investigation into her use of a private server.

Government lawyers told U.S. District Court Judge Amit P. Mehta Tuesday that an undetermined number of the emails among the 30 were not included in the 55,000 pages previously provided by Clinton. The State Department's lawyer said it would need until the end of September to review the emails and redact potentially classified information before they are released.

Mehta questioned why it would take so long to release so few documents, and urged that the process be sped up. He ordered the department to report to him in a week with more details about why the review process would take a full month.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... story.html

And here comes yet another plummeting Salvatore Ferragamo Wing-Tip Oxford:
Bill Clinton aides used tax dollars to subsidize foundation, private email support

Bill Clinton's staff used a decades-old federal government program, originally created to keep former presidents out of the poorhouse, to subsidize his family’s foundation and an associated business, and to support his wife’s private email server, [Gee, she not only conducted all her state department email correspondence on an unauthorized and unapproved private server, but then they turn around and stick Uncle Sam with the bill... :lol: this is completely reprehensible, but you still have to admire the sheer balls...] a POLITICO investigation has found.

Taxpayer cash was used to buy IT equipment — including servers — housed at the Clinton Foundation, and also to supplement the pay and benefits of several aides now at the center of the email and cash-for-access scandals dogging Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

This investigation, which is based on records obtained from the General Services Administration through the Freedom of Information Act, does not reveal anything illegal. But it does offer fresh evidence of how the Clintons blurred the line between their nonprofit foundation, Hillary Clinton’s State Department, and the business dealings of Bill Clinton and the couple’s aides.
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This whole election cycle has become so exasperating I find it hard to give a damned anymore.
I am voting Democrat for the entire down-ballot and that's that.

And come November 8th we will get the POTUS we deserve.

Kaine / Warren... 2020
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Once again Hillary got lucky...

Thanks to Amnesty Don's week long stumble fest on how he'd handle illegal immigration, these two latest revelations didn't get nearly as much coverage as they otherwise would have...

But anyone who thinks that there isn't a direct link between the cumulative affect of all these dropping shoes and headlines like this one:
Poll: Clinton lead slips to 3 in Wisconsin
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pre ... -wisconsin

has no understanding of the dynamics in play in this race...


I think this article offers an excellent summary of the core problems:
Hillary Clinton is making her trust problem worse

Hillary Clinton enjoys about a five-point polling lead over Donald Trump. One way to look at this is that it’s a margin, at this stage of a presidential race, that is rarely reversed.

Here’s another way. The Democrats had a successful convention; the Republicans didn’t. Clinton’s campaign has been smooth; Trump’s has careened between disasters. She has reached out to independents and Republicans; he has insulted the family of a soldier killed in Iraq, along with people with disabilities, Latinos and women. Clinton has outspent him 3 to 1.

And she’s ahead by only five percentage points.


Most political experts are confident she’ll win — the political website FiveThirtyEight’s election forecast, for example, pegs the probability at 77 percent or 85 percent, depending which measures are included. But the comparative closeness of the race underscores her problems.

Some of it reflects the polarization of American politics. But there also have been self-inflicted wounds that accentuate her struggle to win voters’ trust: the continuing controversy over her use of private email while secretary of state and potential conflicts involving the Clinton Foundation.

On most metrics she outperforms Trump. Polls show that voters consider her superior on competence, experience, truthfulness on the campaign trail and, yes, integrity. But on the latter issue she looks good mainly by comparison to her opponent.

In this month’s Bloomberg Politics poll, 58 percent of voters said they were bothered “a lot” by potential conflicts involving the Clinton Foundation. And 53 percent felt that way about the emails.

She has exacerbated these problems in recent weeks. In July, FBI director James Comey said there were no grounds to prosecute Clinton for using private email, but called her “extremely careless” about handling sensitive information.

Yet Clintonland continues to rationalize. Clinton implied that Comey had declared that her response to the Federal Bureau of Investigation and other public statements had been truthful. He didn’t. Indeed, he noted that while her testimony to the FBI was truthful, some of her public comments were not.

PolitiFact, the nonpartisan fact checker, assessed her claim to be totally false.


Some Clinton supporters have criticized Comey, saying that the FBI director’s role is to bring a case or drop it, not to comment on matters of judgment. There are former Justice Department officials who say it was unusual for the FBI director to be so expansive and judgmental.

Yet these same officials say Comey might not have gone so far if Bill Clinton hadn’t foolishly paid a social call at an airport on Comey’s boss, Attorney General Loretta Lynch, before the investigation was complete. (Lynch then said she would accept Comey’s recommendation, which she later did.)

The latest flap is the Clintons’ contention that using the private email was suggested by a predecessor, Colin Powell. There may have been a Powell suggestion — he says he doesn’t recall — but she decided to use the private system much more extensively and exclusively than Powell did. She didn’t do it for convenience; she did it for reasons of secrecy. Annoying Powell, who may well endorse her, was unnecessary.

As Comey noted, no reputable prosecutor would have brought a case against the former secretary of state on this issue.

But since being cleared of legal liability, she has fudged and shuffled. She says she made a mistake and regrets it, but then equivocates or rationalizes. It’s counterproductive. She should cut her losses, turn over anything to appropriate authorities and move on.

On the Clinton Foundation, there are several realities. It has done fine work, saving lives. But by accepting contributions from foreign governments and wealthy interests at home, it creates the impression that favors are being traded. If she is elected, it will cast a shadow over the credibility of her presidency unless all family ties are severed.

Bill Clinton has announced that if his wife wins, he will step aside from the foundation and it no longer will take foreign or corporate money. That still leaves open the possibility that their daughter, Chelsea, could run it and wealthy influence-seekers could donate.

“Her inadequate response to the conflicts of interest inherent in the Clinton Foundation,” the liberal columnist Jonathan Chait wrote in New York magazine, shows she “has not fully grasped the severity of her reputational problem.” He added, “If the Clinton Foundation is not leveraging the Clinton name, it has no purpose.”

At the same time, I spoke with a prominent Clinton insider, a person of integrity and high ethical standards. He said shutting the Clinton Foundation would hurt millions of people around the world and would be giving in to right-wing critics who will find something else to seize on.

I agree that right-wingers like Utah Rep. Jason Chaffetz, Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton or former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani — who seemed to grant himself a medical degree last week when he ludicrously diagnosed Clinton with health problems — will find something. Much of it will be phony.

That is no reason to give them ammunition. PolitiFact and Chait are not part of what Clinton once famously called the “vast right-wing conspiracy.”

Bloomberg

Albert Hunt is a Bloomberg columnist.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opin ... story.html

ETA:

It's still possible that Clinton could win close to an electoral landslide, (though as I look at the map, without flipping Texas I don't see how she gets over 400, and wins an outright electoral landslide) but there's no way that she can possibly win a popular vote landslide, (15 points or more) against Trump no matter what outrageous things he says or does, or how chaotic and disorganized his campaign is...

She's brought way too much bad juju onto herself to get that level of support...

And If the shoe storm gets bad enough, and Trump manages to hold his mouth frothing to a minimum, there are still enough undecided voters for her to lose this thing... :? :roll:
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Oh look, here comes another shoe storm cloud:

FBI releases Hillary Clinton email report


Washington (CNN)

Hillary Clinton repeatedly told the FBI she couldn't recall key details and events related to classified information procedures, according to notes the bureau released Friday of its July interview with the Democratic presidential nominee, along with a report on its investigation into her private email server.

Clinton told the FBI she "could not recall any briefing or training by State related to the retention of federal records or handling classified information," according to the bureau's notes of their interview with Clinton.

Fallout from Clinton's use of a private email server continues to dog the Democratic presidential nominee's campaign, as her lead over her Republican counterpart Donald Trump has been cut in half since her post convention bounce last month, according to CNN's Poll of Polls released Thursday. Trump and other Republicans have stepped up their attacks connecting the emails to questions over whether Clinton gave preferential treatment to donors to her family's foundation.

Much of the report reiterated what FBI Director James Comey testified in open hearings before Congress, including that more than six dozen email chains contained classified information at the time they were sent and that there appeared to have been hacking attempts on her server, though there is no evidence they were successful. Still, the report added fuel to the criticisms of Clinton and the narrative that her team acted "extremely careless," as Comey said.

The release comes as Clinton's lead over Donald Trump has been cut in half since her post-convention bounce last month, according to CNN's Poll of Polls released Thursday. Trump and other Republicans have stepped up their attacks connecting the emails to questions over whether Clinton gave preferential treatment to donors to her family's foundation.

The bureau is making the information public in response to numerous Freedom of Information Act requests, including from CNN.

"Today the FBI is releasing a summary of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's July 2, 2016 interview with the FBI concerning allegations that classified information was improperly stored or transmitted on a personal e-mail server she used during her tenure," the agency said in a statement. "We also are releasing a factual summary of the FBI's investigation into this matter."
More here:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/02/politics/ ... iew-notes/

I just heard on CNN that she answered that she "couldn't recall" or "couldn't remember" a total of 39 times in her FBI interview...
HALDEMAN: You can say you forgot, too, can’t you?

PRESIDENT: That’s right.

DEAN: But you can’t . . . you’re in a very high risk perjury situation.

PRESIDENT: That’s right. Just be damned sure you say I don’t remember. I can’t recall. I can’t give any honest . . . an answer that I can recall. But that’s it.
https://dictionaryblog.cambridge.org/20 ... watergate/


Okay, well we now know (surprise surprise) that contrary to her repeated public claims, what she was saying to the public was not at all what she said to the FBI...

To the public, she insisted everything she did was approved, that she never sent or received classified information, and that she well understood all the rules regarding the handling of classified information...

To the FBI she basically played dumb, claiming to pretty much not know anything about the rules regarding the handling of classified material...

And I mean real, real dumb...

Apparently she even claimed not to know that information about drone strikes are classified... :shrug :roll:

That's a pretty good legal strategy for avoiding an indictment, but not much of a recommendation for entrusting a person with higher office...

As the original Comey report was a severe blow to her credibility, these notes and report, in addition to reinforcing her reputation for blatant dishonesty, are also a devastating blow to her claims about how competent she is...

It will probably even breath some new life into the speculation about her health...

If she were running against just about anybody but Trump, this report, on top of the State Department IG report, and the original Comey report and congressional testimony, would probably have completely finished off any chance she had of winning...
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The Electoral vote vs the Popular vote? Proof positive the election is rigged and the basis for Trump's Supreme Court case.

If we pray hard enough maybe we'll get some divine Intervention and get a do-over. I promise to find God if that happens... really. (Would I lie to you?)
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You know, if this is the only thing the "I HATE HILLARY CLUB" can find to show that she is less fit to be POTUS than Dumb ol' Trump — allegations and inferences that she may have played fast and loose with some emails how long ago? — then she can go ahead and start thinking about what she will wear when she takes the Oath of Office, and Trump can make his plans to go back to being a glorified landlord.
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Bill Clinton's staff used a decades-old federal government program, originally created to keep former presidents out of the poorhouse, to subsidize his family’s foundation and an associated business, and to support his wife’s private email server, a POLITICO investigation has found.

Taxpayer cash was used to buy IT equipment — including servers — housed at the Clinton Foundation, and also to supplement the pay and benefits of several aides now at the center of the email and cash-for-access scandals dogging Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.
Horseshit.

There are employees of the foundation who also do work for the office of the former president. The fact that the federal government pays some of the personnel cost attributable to the latter does not constitute any sort of subsidy to the foundation. The foundation cannot simply eat the costs attributable to non-charitable activities; that would be illegal.

It should be noted that a GAO report stated all but one former presidents have staff who work in both the former president's office and their family foundation.

The claim that the Former Presidents Act payments are being used to "support" Hillary Clinton's private mail server is based on the fact that Justin Cooper, who set up and maintained the mail server, had at some point been paid out of the former president's staff allowance. He was paid for whatever work he did for the office of the former president; that doesn't magically constitute "support" for the email server when one has absolutely none to do with the other.

There were servers purchased with government money for the office of the former president, and they are physically located at the Clinton Foundation. Rather than acting as some sort of amorphous "subsidy" to the foundation, this setup allows the OFP to make use of all of the foundation's IT resources

They have tried to spin a narrative of "blurred lines" between the operations of the office of the former president and the foundation by blatantly twisting several facts and blowing a few pieces of incidental trivia out of all proportion.
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she is less fit to be POTUS than Dumb ol' Trump
That binary choice is the only thing that's even giving her a realistic chance of being elected ...

She should drop to her knees every night and thank God Almighty that Donald Trump is the GOP nominee...

ETA:

This poll really illustrates that point...

This is from those well known "Hillary Haters" at the Washington Post 3 days ago, before we learned that she told the FBI 39 times that she couldn't remember things critical to the proper performing of her job:
A record number of Americans now dislike Hillary Clinton

Hillary Clinton hit her stride after the Democratic National Convention, riding to a double-digit lead over Donald Trump in some national and swing-state polls — her highest of the year.

As of today, though, Americans' views of her just hit a record low.

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows 41 percent of Americans have a favorable impression of Clinton, while 56 percent have an unfavorable one.

That's the worst image Clinton has had in her quarter-century in national public life. Her previous low favorable rating this year was in July, when it was 42 percent,
[and after the release of these FBI interview notes, the next poll number result will probably be even lower]- lower than any mark in historical Post-ABC polls except a few points in the 1990s when a large share of the public had no opinion of her. Her previous high for unfavorable views was in June, when 55 percent disliked Clinton.

Trump, of course, has long been the more unpopular of the two presidential nominees, and he remains so; 35 percent of Americans have a favorable impression of him, compared to 63 percent unfavorable.

But if you look just at registered voters, the new poll actually shows Clinton's image is about as bad as Trump's, with 38 percent having a favorable impression and 59 percent unfavorable, compared to a 37/60 split for Trump.

Clinton's numbers serve as a reminder that Trump's unpopularity isn't prohibitive, largely because Americans — and specifically registered voters — don't much like Clinton either. If it weren't for Trump, in fact, Clinton would be the most unpopular major-party presidential nominee in modern American history.

Perhaps most notably, Clinton's image has declined significantly from just a month ago. After the Democratic convention, Americans were about evenly split — 48 percent favorable and 50 percent unfavorable.

Interestingly, Clinton's numbers appear to have dropped since that early August poll mostly in groups that have been very supportive of her:

Her favorable rating among women dropped from 54 percent to just 45 percent.

Among Hispanics, it went from 71 percent to 55 percent.

Among liberals, it went from 76 percent to 63 percent.

It's not clear quite what might have caused Clinton to fall further than ever before. It's likely that she simply got an extended bounce after the Democratic convention that has finally faded.

It's also possible that adverse headlines last week about the Clinton Foundation and thousands of newly discovered emails from the private email server Clinton used as secretary of state reinforced the reasons views of her had been worsening prior to the July conventions. [Ya think?]
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Aghast those polls don't seem to take into account is how these favorability ratings are going to effect people's votes.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Crackpot wrote:Aghast those polls don't seem to take into account is how these favorability ratings are going to effect people's votes.
It is a fair point since her appeal is that even though she is unlikeable and untrustworthy, she has been viewed as competent and able to do a decent job representing the country as POTUS. This latter factor put her way ahead of Trump. However, as Jim points out, these latest stories directly question her competence. Maybe that is why all the polls have tightened, though HRC still has a lead of about 4 points (and 538 estimates a 70% chance of winning). It will be interesting how the polls look with these new stories and after Trump's decent week.

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"It is a fair point since her appeal is that even though she is unlikeable and untrustworthy, she has been viewed as competent and able to do a decent job representing the country as POTUS."

IMNSHO, it is long past time to look at that squarely and say YES!

I absolutely do not want a POTUS who is a sweet old Uncle, or a smiling Grandma, or a nice guy to share a beer with in a back yard BQ.

This is not a hospitality contest. Bush 43's strongest asset was as the mythical guest sharing beer with the ordinary guy. Johnson was not. My favorite prexy, HST was not. I have never read any history that claimed G Washington was even in the same zip code.

Leadership or even being a good bureaucrat, requires something else entirely, beginning with respect, which is very different from fear. Fear seems to be the Donald's favorite lever.

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For Christ's sake, what can't you people understand? ZIP - ZOP! and it fixed. What do you have to lose by trying something new... What do you have to lose? You live in your poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 percent of your youth is unemployed. What the hell do you have to lose?

It's in Trump's simplicity that America will be great again. All within 'hour one' of his taking the Oath of Office on January 20th. How dense can your grey matter be?



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If it's written in His Books, I'll believe it till I die.
Though the mountains be removed, and cast into the sea.
Trump's Word will last forever, throughout eternity...
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she is less fit to be POTUS than Dumb ol' Trump...

...That binary choice is the only thing that's even giving her a realistic chance of being elected ...
Ordinarily, it would be disqualifying for the Presidency for a former Secretary of State to claim she could "not remember" whether or not she was given instruction and training about the proper handling of classified information...

Unless she happens to be running against a guy who doesn't know what The Nuclear Triad is...
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I want Hillary to win an electoral landslide so that we can excise the Trump cancer from the party, but frankly I'd be happy to see her popular vote margins in some states tighten up to help us down ballot...

For example, if she wins New Hampshire and Pennsylvania by five or six points, she'll get all their electoral votes, but Ayotte and Toomey will probably keep their Senate seats...

If she wins those states by nine or ten points, they're probably toast...

I would definitely like to see the GOP retain control of the Senate, if for no other reason than to prevent her from marching off a left wing cliff with Supreme Court nominations...
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Gee, all of this certainly looks completely innocent:
Clinton Used Eight BlackBerrys, but FBI Couldn’t Get Them

Hillary Clinton used at least eight different mobile devices to send private e-mail during her tenure as secretary of state -- none of which were recovered by the FBI as part of its investigation into her communications practices as the nation’s top diplomat.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation, in a heavily redacted summary of its probe released on Friday, said Clinton flouted security standards for official communications by relying on private e-mail for government business.

In addition to the eight devices she used as secretary of state, the FBI said they sought at least five additional mobile devices as part of its inquiry. Clinton’s lawyers said they couldn’t provide any of the mobile devices she used. One person interviewed by the FBI said he recalled two instances in which Clinton’s devices were destroyed by “breaking them in half or hitting them with a hammer.”

The inability to investigate the missing devices means investigators “could not make a determination as to whether” they were hacked, the FBI said. In addition, a personal laptop used to archive Clinton’s e-mails when she was secretary of state went missing after being put in the mail. :loon[well, at least they didn't smash it with a hammer...]While the e-mails were deleted before the computer was sent, the hard drive wasn’t permanently wiped clean.
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private e-mails

Yawn

Try harder dear. Her private communications are not yours nor the governments business, are they? And if her private devices were hacked it is not per se a matter of governmental nor public interest.

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I guess you haven't heard that she conducted all of her government email business on her own private devices and private server....

You really need to try to keep up better rube; it was in all the papers...
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