HILLARY'S HEALTH

[RayThom]

"Hillary Clinton has pneumonia (or maybe seasonal allergies), doctor says, after early 9/11 event exit."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/11/politics/ ... on-health/
Just more secrets and lies. Why am I not shocked or even surprised by this turn of events?

If Hillary should die will anyone know about it until after November 8th?

“This Democrat candidate is no more. She has ceased to be. She's expired and gone to meet her maker. This is a late candidate. She's a stiff. Bereft of life, she rests in peace. If you hadn't tied her to a post, she would be pushing up the daisies. She's rung down the curtain and joined the choir invisible. This is an ex-politician.

No, no - she's just resting!”

[liberty]

[datsunaholic]

My Grandmother (a lifelong Democrat, though one of the most Conservative people I know) told me back in the spring that she didn't support Sanders because he was too old. My Grandmother. My 93 year old Grandmother. But really, Clinton and Trump aren't really much younger.

Sanders is 75, and will be on Inauguration Day. Clinton will be 69, less than a year younger than Ronald Reagan was (and older than every other President). Trump will be 70, older than Reagan was. Only 2 presidents served in their 70s: Reagan and Eisenhower.

Hell, the Libertarian, Green, and Constitution Party candidates are all over 60 years old as well, with only Gary Johnson (L) under 65.

For a country looking for new ideas (or so the Millenials say) it's a AARP convention for President.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Doubt that it's pneumonia.


Probably Old Moanier

[Burning Petard]

I am ten years older than Hillary. Three years ago I had the flu, first time in about 30 years. I came out of that with pneumonia. It took me six months to recover. It was long and slow. I think this could be very bad for the campaign and Dems in general. This latest episode happened as Hillary was standing in the sun on an exceptionally hot September day for almost 2 hours. I hope Ray is right and they manage to get her propped up for short appearances. But the 'debates' are coming soon. The Hillary team should declare "I will show you my complete health report when you show me your complete tax returns.'

As an aside, I hate the media concocted show we call 'the debates.' They are rarely allowed to talk to each other--supposed to be responding to questions from the moderator. A debate needs no moderator, just a time keeper. In this case the time keeper should be empowered (and actually do it) to cut off the mike when the speaker goes over the time limit, and cut off both mikes when they try to talk over each other.

snailgate.

[wesw]

BP, trump agrees with you.

he called for a moderatorless debate just this morning.....

....vote trump?

[MajGenl.Meade]

This latest episode happened as Hillary was standing in the sun on an exceptionally hot September day for almost 2 hours

I read that it was high 70s - low 80s. Yeah the low was 70 and the high was 85. That's "exceptionally hot" in NY?

[Big RR]

At that time of the day it was fairly humid with few clouds, so standing in the sun could get quite hot; it stayed in the mid to high 80s throughout most of the morning and started cooling in the afternoon.

[oldr_n_wsr]

I wasn't that bad on Sunday. I was in my yard most of the morning to 12 noon. Not as humid as saturday and it was a little cooler. Not a summer "dog day" by any stretch.
But I could see a problem if one were older (she has 11 years on me) and already had some kind of ailment (coughing fit was caused by something other than being allergic to Trump ) and being dehydrated to boot.

[BoSoxGal]

She was also wearing a formal dark suit which adds substantially to risk of heat exhaustion standing in the full sun 80 degrees and dehydrated to boot.

I got heat exhaustion in the gardens a few times this summer, w/o walking pneumonia on top of it.

An older female colleague of mine (55ish) worked through walking pneumonia last winter, including keeping a felony court docket, while recovering. For a reasonably healthy person once the antibiotics kick in it's not a huge deal.

She's fierce and has been keeping an insane schedule of appearances since the convention, she'll be fine. Her performance in the veterans forum proves she can still kick serious ass in the debates and she has 2 weeks until then anyway.

Much ado about nothing and disgusting to even hint that she'll die.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Oh it's 100% that she's going to die.... as it is for us all

[RayThom]

Oh it's 100% that she's going to die.... as it is for us all

"ALL?" It that absolute or just statistical? Remember, there are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. I very well could be that person who lives forever. Proof by repeated assertion is no proof at all.

Social Security -- what do they know?
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

[Bicycle Bill]

BP, trump agrees with you.

he called for a moderatorless debate just this morning.....

Why not?  If there's no moderator, no rules, and no referee to try to keep the playing field level, then it's going to be nothing more than all Trump, talking all the time, and Clinton hardly able to get a word in edgewise.  And if he *DOES* pause long enough to take a breath or grab a drink of water and Hillary starts her rebuttal, Mr. Bad Hair Day will jump in, cut her off, or try to talk over the top of her.
Sorry, that's not a debate, that's a bully's tactics.

....vote trump?

Nope.  Not even at gunpoint.

-"BB"-

[Scooter]

[MajGenl.Meade]

As Hillary Clinton's health moves from the fringes to the center of the 2016 presidential campaign, there's a lot we still don't know about her scare this weekend.

Here's what we do know: Clinton was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday. During a Sept. 11 memorial event on Sunday at Ground Zero, she was unsteady and clearly needed help getting into a van after becoming "overheated and dehydrated." And Clinton canceled a planned to trip to California for Monday while she rests at home.

Clinton's campaign has been tight-lipped about the Sunday incident, releasing only two short statements throughout the day. Many lingering questions could be easily cleared up by the campaign, while others will take time. Here are nine big questions we still have:

1.) Why hide the pneumonia diagnosis?
Clinton suffered a coughing attack last week during an appearance in Cleveland, which she dismissed as seasonal allergies. She received her pneumonia diagnosis on Friday, but the public was not told about it until hours after the incident at the memorial, raising questions about whether Clinton had any plans to ever inform the public. Between the diagnosis and the near-collapse, Clinton appeared at two fundraisers, ran a national security working session, and held a press conference.

Clinton's campaign appears to have, at best, withheld information from the public and — at worst — misled them by aggressively batting down "conspiracy theories" that her coughing fit was anything more than allergies. Opponents are already seeing the incident as proof of their claims that Clinton has been hiding health issues. And others may now be more incredulous of the campaign's statements on her health.

2.) Has Clinton been otherwise ill in recent days?
Has she had pneumonia in the past? Pneumonia is common, but still a potentially dangerous disease that sends about 1 million people to the hospital every year and kills about 50,000, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

3.) Who made the call not to go to the hospital and when?
And did Clinton lose consciousness at all? After leaving the memorial, Clinton went to her daughter Chelsea's apartment and was later examined by her doctor at her own home in Chappaqua, New York. Why was it decided not to visit a hospital immediately?

4.) What is the campaign's position on the protective press pool?
Presidents and presidential candidates have traditionally traveled with a small, rotating group of journalists so the American public can get real-time updates about unexpected incidents—exactly like the one on Sunday. But Clinton left her press pool behind at the Sept. 11 event and kept them in the dark for 90 minutes before providing any information on her whereabouts or health. Clinton has yet to agree to full "protective pool" coverage, which would allow reporters to follow her door-to-door. Will she now? (Trump, so far, has not allowed for pool coverage, and reporters do not fly with his campaign to events.)

5.) Will Clinton allow a true protective pool if elected president?
Clinton's health scare is already expected to potentially affect financial markets, but the impact would be far more dramatic if she were president. A 90-minute window with no news about a missing president could lead people to assume the worst. Clinton's, or her campaign's, choice to leave the press pool behind broke with precedent on access—will that change if she's in the White House? Meanwhile, because Clinton has so far not agreed to full coverage, reporters have no way of knowing if she made other stops Sunday.

6.) Does Clinton accept the obligation to inform the public about her health?
Bill Clinton faced questions about his health too, and while he was unforthcoming in 1992, he sat for a detailed interview with the New York Times in 1996. "[T]he public has a right to know the condition of the president's health," Clinton said at the time.

7.) How will this change her schedule going forward?
After canceling plans Monday and Tuesday, Clinton's schedule the rest of week remains up in the air. She is scheduled to appear in Las Vegas on Wednesday and Washington, D.C. Thursday.

8.) Will Clinton's health affect the first debate?
Clinton's first debate with Donald Trump is just over two weeks away, on September 26, so she'll want to be fully recovered by then.

9.) How will voters respond?
Clinton's core vulnerability is that most Americans don't find her honest or trustworthy. Will voters now feel like they've been misled about her health? Or will the vulnerability of the illness make Americans empathize more with someone who often has difficulty connecting.

To be sure, we know vastly more about Clinton's health than we do about Donald Trump's. Not only is the information released by her campaign more comprehensive than that released by his, but Clinton has lived her life in the national spotlight for 25 years.

We have intimate details about her 2012 hospitalization, for instance, because she was secretary of state at the time. Trump has not been subjected to the same kind of scrutiny and has been less forthcoming during his presidential campaign.

Clinton may also face a different standard because of her gender, her defenders say. Many presidential candidates have had health issues, but Clinton defenders say that while enduring health issues can be seen as a sign of persistence in male candidates, it's viewed as a sign of weakness in women.

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/09/12/h ... /21470382/

[Guinevere]

OFFS. Scooter has this right, its just *another* example of the goddamned double standard at work in this election.

My Mother is currently recovering from pneumonia. She started with a cough, that got worse. I THOUGHT IT WAS SEASONAL ALLERGIES. Then she had shortness of breath and I got worried, and took her to the doctor. She had a mild case of pneumonia. She slept almost all day for a the best part of 10 days straight. She would get up to eat and go to the bathroom and to sit up in the afternoons for a couple of hours. Pneumonia beats the stuffing out of you, as does anything when you CANT BREATHE.

Leave her alone for a couple of days. She is going to take some time to recover, but its no big deal. It happens.

And frankly, I'd tell her to release her medical records when the head Trumpanzee releases his (and not a stupid self-dictated and forged letter from a trumped up physician), and his fucking tax returns.

[rubato]

She was diagnosed on Fri. and revealed that fact on Sun.

There is no way she could be faulted for a lack of timeliness on that basis. That is not "hiding" the diagnosis. "Clinton appeared at two fundraisers, ran a national security working session, and held a press conference." And she appears not to have been disabled from her duties before she announced her diagnosis removing all requirement to do so.

And as to this:

. A 90-minute window with no news about a missing president could lead people to assume the worst. Clinton's, or her campaign's, choice to leave the press pool behind broke with precedent on access—will that change if she's in the White House? Meanwhile, because Clinton has so far not agreed to full coverage, reporters have no way of knowing if she made other stops Sunday.

Oh Dear.

I am certain that there are every day 90-minute periods when the press cannot see President Obama and they appear not to have had their heads explode, so far. We have never in the past required the president to be in constant visual contact with the press and I don't think we will in the future either.

The quoted article scans like hysterical bullshit planted by Putin. Purely blowing smoke.


Meanwhile Trumps 'health report' is a laughably hyperbolic letter from a doctor of questionable judgement and no literary ability. WHAT HAS TRUMP BEEN HIDING ALL THESE MONTHS? WHEN WILL HE TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT HIS REAL HEALTH PROBLEMS? I can't really continue the joke because if Trump were president and disappeared, no one would mind.

yrs,
rubato

[Big RR]

Guin--I agree it's no big deal, but then we live in a time of instant information, and when something isn't known the speculation is far worse. She should release her records to stop the speculation, just as McCain did, and just as the other presidential candidates (other than Trump) have routinely done. making this an issue by saying Trump should do it first (or he should release his income information, which he should) just drags a stupid thing on longer. Such disclosure is part of running for the office.

[Econoline]

ETA: So that's why he's so full of shit?

[Econoline]

Pneumonia Virus Terrified After Remembering What Clintons Capable Of

WASHINGTON—Expressing regret over its reckless decision to infect the Democratic presidential nominee, the virus causing Hillary Clinton’s pneumonia was reportedly terrified Monday after remembering what the Clintons were capable of. “Oh shit, what the hell was I thinking—you don’t get on the wrong side of these people,” said the infectious agent, which became increasingly worried while recalling just how far the Clintons were willing to go to get what they wanted, as well as what often happened to those who dared to cross the powerful politicians. “Everybody knows you never mess with the Clintons. These people won’t hesitate to absolutely crush you, and they have the money and connections to do it. I knew I should’ve just stayed clear. I’m so fucked.” At press time, the horrified virus was reportedly planning to avoid the Clintons’ wrath by taking its own life.

http://www.theonion.com/article/pneumon ... at-c-53927