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Lord Jim wrote:I'd be happy if we could just find a wizard who could wave their wand and undue the evil spell that's been cast on all the Trumpanzees...
It is your doing.

Trump just learned how to exploit the evil your party invented, polished and promoted. The dishonest use of hatred and fear of immigrants? Your doing. The dishonest criticisms of foreign policy? Your doing.

The incoherent economics? Your doing. The rejection of the science of climate change? Your doing. The rejection of science as a way of measuring progress? Your doing.

Trump is what you deserve. And why the rest of us are so afraid of you. The GOP needs to kill itself but what we have seen in recent polls is that nearly 100% of Republican voters have been programmed by your bullshit agenda so deeply, that they back Trump.

Start promoting science and reason as a way of resolving disputes. But you will have to start a new party to do it.

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Gee Jim, I bet you didn't see that coming! :lol:
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Absolutely not, I'm still reeling from the shock... :D
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Email Leak Reveals Clinton Ignored Calls for aid From Nigerian Prince
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WASHINGTON DC – The latest round of emails released by WikiLeaks reveals that as US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton blatantly ignored a desperate request for aid from a foreign head of state.

In the email, Prince Waseem Attah of Nigeria called Clinton a “DEPENDABLE AND TRUST WORDY FOREIGN PARTNER” and requested assistance in arranging a legal transfer of funds from his country to a US bank account. Server logs show the email was deleted just seconds after being opened.

Congressional leaders were quick to criticize Clinton for the slight. “The Secretary of State is our ambassador to the world”, said Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, “Such disrespect for the leaders of other countries weakens our international alliances and strengthens our enemies’ resolve.”

When contacted by email for a comment on Clinton’s handling of the incident, Prince Attah said “SHARING SHALL BE 25% FOR YOU, 85% FOR ME. PLEASE HASTEN UP TO MAKE PROVISIONS” adding “SEND TO ME YOUR TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBERS TO DISCUSS FURTHER.”

The Clinton campaign has yet to respond to the latest round of allegations.
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Email Leak Reveals Clinton Ignored Calls for aid From Nigerian Prince...

Leak or leek? This sure smells funny to me.
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There were some announcements yesterday that Wikileaks was releasing stuff Wednesday about Hillary that would absolutely end her run for the president. This was shortly followed that Wikileaks was delaying this release due to 'security' concerns.

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Email Leak Reveals Clinton Ignored Calls for aid From Nigerian Prince
Apparently, Trump didn't ignore those calls back in 1995 because he's smart.

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RayThom wrote: Leak or leek? This sure smells funny to me.
What do you expect from a rapscallion?

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:lol:

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Out of curiosity is there any thing there in regards to the new wikileaks "bombshell"? it seems to have just laid a big fart.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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I did some reading on it...(part of the reason it's gotten less coverage than it otherwise would have is obviously because the much bigger story has been the pussy grab tape and the growing GOP exodus from Trump)...

If it comes as news to you that Hillary Clinton is a calaculating, cynical, duplicitous political operator then yeah, these emails are a real bombshell ...

Otherwise not so much...

Had this come out during the early part of the primary season when Sanders still had a chance it might have been considerably more damaging for her. There's a lot in what was released that won't sit all that well with the most starry-eyed of the Bernie Bros, and that could conceivably suppress their turnout for her somewhat. (Assuming they actually bother to look into it.) But at this point I don't see any major impact on the race from this...

This actually could be accurately described as being pretty much a "big nothing"....

If this is the worst that the Putin stooges at Wikileaks have to drop on them, Team Clinton should heave huge sigh of relief...
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Jim--I agree it is a "big nothing", but here explanation diring the debate that she was talking about the Lincoln movie--priceless. I'd fire the person who came up with that one.

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No howler: http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2016/10 ... g.html?m=1


The link to Wikileaks inside the piece above demonstrates that HRC was retelling exactly what she said in the speech:
CLINTON (4/24/13): You just have to sort of figure out how to—getting back to that word, "balance"—how to balance the public and the private efforts that are necessary to be successful politically, and that's not just a comment about today. That, I think, has probably been true for all of our history, and if you saw the Spielberg movie, Lincoln, and how he was maneuvering and working to get the 13th Amendment passed, and he called one of my favorite predecessors, Secretary Seward, who had been the governor and senator from New York, ran against Lincoln for president, and he told Seward, "I need your help to get this done." And Seward called some of his lobbyist friends who knew how to make a deal, and they just kept going at it. I mean, politics is like sausage being made. It is unsavory, and it always has been that way, but we usually end up where we need to be. But if everybody's watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least. So you need both a public and a private position. And finally, I think—I believe in evidence-based decision making. I want to know what the facts are. I mean, it's like when you guys go into some kind of a deal, you know, are you going to do that development or not, are you going to do that renovation or not, you know, you look at the numbers. You try to figure out what's going to work and what's not going to work.
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Guin--the way I read that, she's using the movie to support her position of a politician holding private and public positions (which may be in conflict); what I heard her say on Sunday is that she made those statements when she was discussing the movie and what Lincoln did. IMHO that's not the same thing. I think she believes that some positions in political negotiations should not be public--and I wish she had come out and said there's nothing wrong with that instead of the backpedaling.

And FWIW, I think she is right; in politics where compromise must rule, you do need to have some private positions which will define the boundaries of where you will and will not go in a private discussion.

So no apology from me. But she still has my vote.

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Big RR wrote:Jim--I agree it is a "big nothing", but here explanation diring the debate that she was talking about the Lincoln movie--priceless. I'd fire the person who came up with that one.
Sorry Guin, that was easily her worst moment in the debate...

It may be the first time she actually gave Trump an opportunity to ridicule her...

Whatever her intent, it came across as, "Abraham Lincoln made me do it"...

Really silly...
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She explained the context of her words, which were, of course, misquoted by the Trumpanzee. I agree with the point she was trying to make. And please, "Lincoln" was based on Doris Kearns Goodwin's book Team of Rivals. Don't you all recall all the press when Obama read it, and recommended his cabinet members do the same. He, of course, was praised for looking to Lincoln. It does not surprise me in the least that HRC is criticized for doing the same thing. Yet another example of the double standard at work.


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If she was criticized for using the book to support her position, I could agree with you, but I honestly haven't seen that. Personally I think she used the book to obfuscate the point she made, and I think it is proper to call anyone on that sort of thing--male or female.

Again, I wish she had just defended her position openly and said this is what I believe and why, but most politicians don't like to do that (and she is one of that pack).

I do recall how some gave Obama high marks for looking to Lincoln when he mentioned the book, but I was not one. Personally, I think the book glossed over some of the more prickly points of Abe, making him into a saint rather than the human being (flaws and all) that he was, but that is for another thread. Suffice it to say, in the instant situation that some parts of the book and film did show how Hillary's position could be used to positive ends, which is pretty much what her original quote you posted said.

And as for your citing the "double standard", I do not doubt that some have heaped criticism on Hillary because of her gender, but I have not been one of them. When I think she's right I will speak out; ditto when I think she is wrong. Criticism of a woman does not automatically trigger a double standard on the part of a critic, although some immediately choose to allege that.

ETA: This is a transcript of her remarks from Politico; I cannot state it is definitely a true transcript, but it correlates with my memory of what I heard:
As I recall, that was something I said about Abraham Lincoln. It was a master class watching Abraham Lincoln getting Congress to approve the Thirteenth Amendment. I was making the point that yes, it is hard to get Congress to do what you’re trying to do.
As I read that, she was not saying that she was not her position, but that it was Lincoln's position and she was discussing him and the movie 9and her position is that it is hard to work with Congress to get something through it). But anyone who wants can draw their own conclusions.
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There is a long, long history here, from both the GOP and main stream media.

"when Obama read it, and recommended his cabinet members do the same. He, of course, was praised for looking to Lincoln. It does not surprise me in the least that HRC is criticized for doing the same thing."

There is no double standard. For Hillary, it is a standard from a totally different universe.

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Big RR wrote:If she was criticized for using the book to support her position, I could agree with you, but I honestly haven't seen that. Personally I think she used the book to obfuscate the point she made, and I think it is proper to call anyone on that sort of thing--male or female.

Again, I wish she had just defended her position openly and said this is what I believe and why, but most politicians don't like to do that (and she is one of that pack).

I do recall how some gave Obama high marks for looking to Lincoln when he mentioned the book, but I was not one. Personally, I think the book glossed over some of the more prickly points of Abe, making him into a saint rather than the human being (flaws and all) that he was, but that is for another thread. Suffice it to say, in the instant situation that some parts of the book and film did show how Hillary's position could be used to positive ends, which is pretty much what her original quote you posted said.

And as for your citing the "double standard", I do not doubt that some have heaped criticism on Hillary because of her gender, but I have not been one of them. When I think she's right I will speak out; ditto when I think she is wrong. Criticism of a woman does not automatically trigger a double standard on the part of a critic, although some immediately choose to allege that.

ETA: This is a transcript of her remarks from Politico; I cannot state it is definitely a true transcript, but it correlates with my memory of what I heard:
As I recall, that was something I said about Abraham Lincoln. It was a master class watching Abraham Lincoln getting Congress to approve the Thirteenth Amendment. I was making the point that yes, it is hard to get Congress to do what you’re trying to do.
As I read that, she was not saying that she was not her position, but that it was Lincoln's position and she was discussing him and the movie 9and her position is that it is hard to work with Congress to get something through it). But anyone who wants can draw their own conclusions.

Did you read the piece link I posted above? It has the exact quotes from the debate and from the speech excerpts, and is entirely consistent and makes total sense. Not a howler.
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