The Final Debate...

[Sue U]

#TrumpBookReport

"Miss Havisham, like Hillary, couldn't close the deal. I will make expectations great again."

[Guinevere]

Even the Breitbart poll had HRC winning from last night until about an hour ago (and it's only 52/48 for the head Trumpanzee). Even his people have accepted that he is deplorable.

Now I need a shower (and to disinfect my phone) after being on that disgusting site several times this morning. Barf.

[Lord Jim]

Even the Breitbart poll had HRC winning from last night until about an hour ago (and it's only 52/48 for the head Trumpanzee).

That's a fascinating result...

That suggests that either there was a concerted effort among Hillary supporters to tweek the Trumpanzees by flooding the zone on the poll, (like the Trumpanzees always do with online pseudo polls) or the Trumpanzee enthusiasm level is waning...

Or both...

However I see The Drudge Report reader survey "poll" has The Trump-Thing getting his usual 85%:

http://drudgereport.com/flashlas.htm

[Big RR]

Goodbye the Donald, she smoked you, again.


PS - you are neither fit nor eligible for office you seditious turd:

18 USC section 2383 - Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

Now , now; let's not play Trump's game and threaten to jail our opponent. We're better than that--or we should be.

that being said, in this matter he came across as the ass that he is (and he didn't do all that much better in most of the debate).

[Joe Guy]

Here's a copy of Tantrum Trump's latest Tweet:

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

Why didn't Hillary Clinton announce that she was inappropriately given the debate questions - she secretly used them! Crooked Hillary.

[Big RR]

For this debate? I'd love to see any proof.

[Guinevere]

#TrumpBookReport

"Miss Havisham, like Hillary, couldn't close the deal. I will make expectations great again."

"Frankly my dear, I only give a damn if I don't win."

[Guinevere]

Here's a copy of Tantrum Trump's latest Tweet:

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

Why didn't Hillary Clinton announce that she was inappropriately given the debate questions - she secretly used them! Crooked Hillary.

He has said that about all three debates, to excuse his pathetic performances. What a total loser. Because FOX is going to give the Dem the questions in advance????

[Big RR]

I thought his previous complaints were more based on her getting the questions in advance during debates with Bernie as shown in the leaked emails; but suggesting that Fox (or the moderator who is an employee of Fox) would give her the questions in advance is sheer lunacy on his part (and par for the course).

[oldr_n_wsr]

i lost 6 seconds of my life last night that I can never get back. 4 cable stations in arow had it on and it took 2 seconds to switch from one station to the next.
Thought about taking a BIG DRINK (HUUUUUGE) of JD but found the natgeo channel and watched some lions going after a gazzel or impala. Fit right in with the theme.


I didn't really think of having a drink

[Econoline]

I didn't really think of having a drink

That's great, oldr (and great that you're able to joke about it)...

Too bad about that 6 seconds.





You're probably one of a very few people in the US who didn't really think of having a drink!

[Scooter]

[Scooter]

[Econoline]

[Scooter]

[Econoline]

http://www.nastywomengetshitdone.com

[Bicycle Bill]

I didn't really think of having a drink

I don't think anyone could have blamed you if you had.
Although I'm thinking that if Trump somehow does get elected we're going to need to have the clearest heads possible to deal with him.

-"BB"-

[Scooter]

[RayThom]

... Thought about taking a BIG DRINK (HUUUUUGE) of JD... I didn't really think of having a drink

o_n_w, yes, sobriety, does indeed, require a good sense of humor -- yet also much self-reliance. Your disclaimer sounds like positive control but until you get some extra distance between yourself and your last drink I suggest you don't mess around with reinforcing any of that haunting negative behavior -- lighthearted or otherwise -- that might easily suck you back into the void. You may find yourself laughing all the way back to rehab if you make too much light of the situation.

This is just some cautionary advice from a fellow alcoholic. However, your mileage may vary.

BTW: Had I chosen the AA route for sobriety maintenance I would be receiving this chip on November 15th. Be safe. Peace.

[Lord Jim]

I think this pretty well sums it up:

Clinton Probably Finished Off Trump Last Night

I’m not sure I need to tell you this, but Hillary Clinton is probably going to be the next president. It’s just a question of what “probably” means.

Clinton went into the final presidential debate on Wednesday with a lead of about 7 percentage points over Donald Trump. And according to the only two scientific polls we’ve seen, voters thought that Clinton won the debate. Occasionally, the initial reaction to a debate can differ from the way it’s perceived days later. But in this case, the morning headlines, which focused overwhelmingly on Trump’s refusal to say whether he’ll accept the election results, are potentially worse for Trump than the debate itself. In YouGov’s poll of debate watchers, 68 percent of voters said they think the candidates should pledge to accept the results of the election.

There are less than three weeks left in the campaign, and there are no more guaranteed opportunities for Trump or Clinton to command a huge public audience, as they do at the conventions and the debates (although, they’ll get plenty of attention, of course). Millions of people have already voted. Trump has had a significant advertising deficit, and an even more significant deficit in terms of his turnout operation. He’ll probably spend a significant chunk of the remaining news cycles quarreling over his contention that the election is rigged, and with the numerous women who have accused him of sexual assault. He doesn’t have an obvious — or even a not-so-obvious — path to the presidency.

So we’re left to argue about the probability of an unforeseen event, or a significant polling error. It’s perhaps significant that almost no matter what news has occurred, and there’s been a lot of it — terrorist attacks, mass shootings, foreign crises, her email scandal, the Wikileaks dump, her Sept. 11 health scare — Clinton has almost always led Trump in the polls, although there have certainly been times when the election was close. What if her State Department emails are sitting on one of Julian Assange’s servers? That would be interesting, I suppose. But there are also October (or November) surprises that could work against Trump: more accusations from women, more damaging videotapes, further leaking of his tax records.

The other possibility is a massive polling failure. There aren’t really any direct precedents for a candidate coming back from this far down to win an American presidential election, although you can make a few loose analogies. Harry Truman’s comeback over Thomas Dewey in 1948 almost works as a comparison, but Truman wasn’t coming from as far behind as Trump is, and there was much less polling in 1948. Ronald Reagan had a significant late surge against Jimmy Carter in 1980, but he was ahead beforehand — and the surge came in large part because of a debate that occurred just one week before the election, whose impact was too late to be fully reflected in the polls. If Trump was going to have a Reaganesque surge, in other words, it probably would have started with a commanding performance in last night’s debate — and not another loss.

Brexit? Even that comparison doesn’t really work. The final polls showed a toss-up between the United Kingdom leaving the European Union or remaining in it, and “leave” eventually won by 4 points. If the polls were biased against Trump by that much in this election, he’d still lose, by a margin approximating the one by which Mitt Romney lost to President Obama four years ago. The primaries? They’re a reminder that one ought to be humble when making predictions. But the polls pegged Trump just fine — in fact, slightly overestimating his performance in many early states such as Iowa.

That’s not to say that a polling miss is impossible. Our polls-only model still gives Trump a 14 percent chance and our polls-plus forecast a 17 percent chance, although that’s before accounting for any impact of last night’s debate or some of the other circumstances I’ve described. Presidential elections are rare events, rare enough that we don’t really know what the tail ends of the probability distribution look like, and it’s prudent to make somewhat conservative assumptions under those conditions.

It’s possible, also, that the polls are significantly underestimating Clinton rather than Trump — perhaps a combination of Trump’s lack of a ground game and his voters’ feeling despondent because he says the election is rigged will yield a double-digit loss.

If Clinton wins by a clear margin, it will help to resolve a longstanding debate among political scientists and historians, since it will suggest that campaigns and candidates do matter and that elections aren’t always determined by economic conditions, which would predict a much closer outcome than the one we’re likely to see.

Furthermore, Clinton’s win will have come by rather conventional means. Her big surges in the polls came following the conventions and the debates. She got the largest convention bounce of any candidate since at least 2000, and she won the debates by a clearer margin than any previous candidate in the six elections in which there were three debates that CNN polled.

There was nothing flashy about Clinton’s performance at either the convention or the debates. She was just prepared, steady and tactically smart — such as goading Trump into feuds with the family of Khizr Khan, or Alicia Machado. Trump might seem like an easy opponent to take down, and he certainly hasn’t helped himself. But as Trump himself would probably point out, 16 Republicans failed to do so. We won’t know for sure for another 19 days, but Clinton may have finished him off last night.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/cli ... ast-night/