The violence annex thread

[liberty]

If I see it I am going to post it. I am not in a position to know what the fact are, but I am going to post it and let you guys sort it out. More violence:

https://www.lifezette.com/polizette/ant ... he-nation/

Anti-Trump Violence Sweeps the Nation
Media pays little attention to escalating attacks, thousands of threats against Trump supporters
by Matthew Vadum | Updated 26 Oct 2016 at 9:55 AM

While the mainstream media has been working day and night promoting Hillary Clinton’s candidacy, it has largely ignored or downplayed violent attacks against supporters of Donald Trump.

But assaults on Trump supporters appear to be growing increasingly common as Election Day approaches and tensions intensify. Reports of Trump lawn signs and banners being stolen and defaced are everywhere on social media.
No doubt there will be plenty more such assaults in the final two weeks as Americans head to the polls.
Making matters worse, undercover video evidence emerged showing senior Democrat operatives Robert Creamer and Scott Foval acknowledging using dirty, likely illegal tricks against the Trump campaign. Their goal was to generate negative media coverage of Trump rallies by fomenting violence at them. The media eagerly used the various fisticuffs and melees the Democrats created to attempt to discredit Trump by depicting his supporters as violent, knuckle-dragging crazies.
The videos, shot by ACORN slayer James O’Keefe’s group Project Veritas Action, show Foval on camera saying his agents “infiltrate” Trump events. “It doesn’t matter what the friggin’ legal and ethics people say, we need to win this motherf****er.” He adds, “we’re starting anarchy here.”

Creamer, previously convicted of felony bank fraud, has visited the Obama White House more than 300 times. In one of the videos, he says Hillary Clinton personally knows about the false flag operation. Her campaign “is fully in it,” Creamer confirms. “Hillary knows through the chain of command what’s going on.”

Despite their aversion to covering stories that put Trump in a sympathetic light, members of the media had no choice but to cover the extremely newsworthy Oct. 15 weekend firebombing of Republican Party headquarters in Orange County, North Carolina. Gov. Pat McCrory called the arson “an attack on our democracy,” while one GOP official called it an act of “political terrorism.” Spray-painted on the building next door were a swastika and the sentence “Nazi Republicans get out of town or else.”
Meanwhile, most physical attacks on Trump supporters make only local news outlets — if that. Rarely do such assaults get mentioned on the evening TV broadcast news or in The New York Times or The Washington Post.That's because they don't fit the leftist narrative that Republicans are violent, racist, Islamophobic homophobes.

Despite a lack of evidence, the Left deployed the same false narrative against the Tea Party movement virtually from its formation, while defending the criminal hooligans of Black Lives Matter and Occupy Wall Street as nonviolent and benign. Currency speculator George Soros has contributed to both movements through his philanthropy.
Here is a compilation of some of the attacks on Trump supporters:

On Oct. 15 in Bangor, Maine, vandals spray-painted about 20 parked cars outside a Trump rally. Trump supporter Paul Foster, whose van was hit with white paint, told reporters, "Why can't they do a peaceful protest instead of painting cars, all of this, to 
Around Oct. 3, a couple of Trump supporters were assaulted in Zeitgeist, a San Francisco bar, after they were allegedly refused service for expressing support for Trump, GotNews reports. "The two Trump supporters were attacked, punched, and chased into the street by 'some thugs' that a barmaid called out from the back." Lilian Kim of ABC 7 Bay Area tweeted a photo of the men, in which one was wearing a Trump T-shirt and the other was wearing a "Blue Lives Matter" shirt.

On Sept. 28 in El Cajon, California, an angry mob at a Black Lives Matter protest beat 21-year-old Trump supporter Feras Jabro for wearing a "Make America Great Again" baseball cap. The assault was broadcast live using the smartphone app Periscope.

On Sept. 26 at Gustavus Adolphus College in St. Peter, Minnesota, as the first presidential debate was about to get underway, a woman wearing Trump campaign apparel was assaulted while heading to a debate watch event. "Nobody, regardless of race, gender, or political party, should feel unsafe because of the way they look or what they wear when they walk on campus," the Minnesota Federation of College Republicans said in a press release.

On Aug. 19 in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Trump supporters had to run a gauntlet of angry protesters to get into a Trump fundraiser at the Minneapolis Convention Center. When they left after the event they were hit, pushed, and spit on.

On Aug. 13 in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, 68-year-old cancer survivor Vester Bullock was beaten at a garage sale because he wore a Trump pin on his hat. The assailant "slammed his arms, walked up to me and said, 'My wife told me I shouldn't trust a God-damn Republican,'" he said. The man complained the staple gun Bullock sold him didn't work. "I told him 'I'll give you your money back,'" said Bullock. "But he kept calling me all kinds of names." The man punched Bullock in the jaw so hard he lost a tooth.

On Aug. 12 in the West Hollywood neighborhood of Los Angeles, two women assaulted pro-Trump activist Tim Treadstone after a Trump rally. "This blonde girl grabbed my iPhone and threw it as hard as she could to the pavement," he said. "And before I could pick it up, the brunette who was throwing the food at people punched me in the head. My glasses and my hat flew off. There were claw marks on my neck." Last week, the two women were formally charged with assault and battery.

The night of the rally, Treadstone and a group of Trump hat-wearers were denied service at a popular Mexican eatery. Customers began screaming at the Trump backers and throwing food at them. Earlier, at the West Hollywood rally, "a can of Monster energy drink, eggs, and dog feces were also thrown at pro-Trump demonstrators," according to Breitbart News. "The can of Monster hit one man on the back."

On Aug. 3 in Bloomfield, New Jersey, an assailant attacked a 62-year-old man who was walking down the street wearing a pro-Trump T-shirt, local police said. "The motorist inquired why [the man] was wearing the shirt, directing profanities at him," a police spokesman said. "The [victim] continued to walk away as [the] motorist followed him." The motorist hit the man several times with a crowbar, causing injuries to his arms, hands, and thighs,

On June 18, 19-year-old British national Michael Sandford tried to take a gun from a Las Vegas police officer during a Trump rally. Sandford was arrested and reportedly said he intended to use the gun to kill Trump. Unlike most of the anti-Trump attacks, this event was widely reported by the media.

On June 2, in San Jose, California, rioters assaulted a group of attendees leaving a Trump rally. Fourteen of those attacked have filed a class-action lawsuit against the city and Mayor Sam Liccardo. The attendees "were victimized by being forced by armed police to walk into a riot in full swing where many were assaulted while police looked on," said their lawyer, Harmeet K. Dhillon.
In San Jose, protesters also threw eggs, a tomato, and a bottle at Rachel Casey, a 29-year-old Trump supporter they cornered outside a hotel.

"I knew if I was to touch one of them or I was to grab one of the flags they were waving in my face that they would have attacked me or beaten me with those flag poles that were metal," Casey told Breitbart News. "I just kept a straight face, I don't know how. I just knew if I touched one of them I would get hurt. Luckily someone let me in that hotel, finally, someone finally opened the door."
On April 28, in Costa Mesa, California, anti-Trump demonstrators threw rocks at moving cars. One bloodied the face of a Trump supporter who was driving away after the rally. About 20 people were arrested.

On March 12 at the Dayton, Ohio, airport, Black Lives Matter supporter Thomas Dimassimo rushed the small stage where Trump was speaking, an attack that received widespread media attention. He was tackled by Secret Service agents before he could reach the GOP candidate and was later charged with disorderly conduct and inducing panic. Before the attack he tweeted: "I've had about all I can take from the violent trump ralliers. Saturday im [sic] going to check my people and spit on their false king." After his release from jail, hours later, he tweeted: "F**k you b**ch @realDonaldTrump[.]"

Violent demonstrators from left-wing organizations including MoveOn, Black Lives Matter, and People for Bernie, forced the cancellation of a planned Trump rally March 11 at the University of Illinois at Chicago. The belligerent anti-Trump activists streamed into the event and later celebrated shutting it down. The event, which led to the arrest of four people, received a great deal of media attention — though much of it focused on how peaceful the protesters supposedly were.
Democrats Could Be Prosecuted for Trump Rally ViolenceCriminal defense attorney says both DNC and Clinton campaign guilty of 'numerous' crimes

Dilbert comics creator Scott Adams received many replies when he took to Twitter recently to ask fellow Trump supporters to report threats they'd received, Heat Street reported Sept. 30.

One person wrote his wrist was fractured when he was attacked for being "an Irish Trump supporter and wearing [a] MAGA cap." Another tweeted "Had to take the #TrumpPence16 sticker off my car because I had my windows broken in 3 times."
Another man wrote his friend's 10-year-old daughter "was attacked by a mob yelling 'NAZI' 'B**CH' etc. Snatched her Trump sign and ripped it up." One man tweeted "Somebody claiming to be a civil rights lawyer called my boss claiming my pro-Trump tweets were breaking the law."

This is not an exhaustive list of violent attacks on Trump supporters.
No doubt there will be plenty more such assaults in the final two weeks, as Americans head to the polls.
And Hillary Clinton's campaign may be involved in those attacks.

[Lord Jim]

You're not going to get much of an argument from me on this score lib...

I'm not familiar with the details of all the incidents alleged in that article, but everything I have seen and read shows that while some of the Trumpanzees talk a lot of bellicose threatening trash, the lion's share of physical acts, (assault, vandalism, arson, etc) have come from anti-democratic anti-Trump elements on The Left, not from the Trump supporters...

Aside from that old codger who cold cocked the anti-Trump protestor being escorted out of a Trump rally months ago, just about everything else I've seen has come from the anti-Trumpers...

The physical intimidation and signs being grabbed in Chicago that led to that rally being cancelled, the rioting outside Trump appearances in California and a few other places around the country, (that included egg and rock throwing, punches and cars being wrecked) the huge number of Trump signs being removed from or destroyed on private property, the fire bombing of the GOP headquarters in North Carolina...

None of that came from the Trump Koolaid drinkers...

The Trumpanzees have engaged in a lot of toxic and threatening behavior on the internet, and some of them have been quoted in the press talking big about "revolution" and "going underground", but my impression is that the bulk of these fools are just gasbags like their hero...

[BoSoxGal]

Is it anti-democratic to lash out at followers of an anti-democratic wannabe-despot?

[Crackpot]

Not excusing anyone but some of the intimidation stories I've been here wrong about trump support era is scary. I worry about thier upcoming "poll watching" activities and the narrative they'll play if and when they get booted and or arrested.

[Lord Jim]

Is it anti-democratic to lash out at followers of an anti-democratic wannabe-despot?

.

Yes.

That kind of behavior evinces the same sort of contempt for democratic principles that they claim to be opposed to.

More over it is counter productive, because it plays into the demagogue's narrative of how he and his followers are "persecuted"...

It's both morally wrong and politically foolish.

[Bicycle Bill]

If I see it I am going to post it. I am not in a position to know what the fact are, but I am going to post it and let you guys sort it out. More violence:

https://www.lifezette.com/polizette/ant ... he-nation/

Anti-Trump Violence Sweeps the Nation
Media pays little attention to escalating attacks, thousands of threats against Trump supporters
by Matthew Vadum | Updated 26 Oct 2016 at 9:55 AM

A "news blog" called "PoliZette", side-by-side with other musings on pop culture, religion, and modern mommyhood under the umbrella of something called "LifeZette"??

LifeZette’s mission is contained in its moniker:  Life.  Explained.  Each day the site captures the wonder, the complexity, the frustration and the joys of life in all its variety.  This is media built for the way we live — never in one place or focused on one issue to the exclusion of all others.  From pop culture to faith, parenting to politics, LifeZette delivers a compelling mixture of stories, commentary, video and graphics designed to inform and entertain — and to help all of us live our lives to the fullest.

Something to fill an empty space, in other words, whether it needed filling or not.

It was said many years ago that if one were to put an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of typewriters and let them pound the keys for an infinite amount of time, they would eventually recreate all the works of William Shakespeare.  Since Al Gore graciously invented the internet, we have been able to test this theory and have (so far) disproven it.

But thank you, liberty, for linking us to some of the monkeys' output.

-"BB"-

[Big RR]

Is it anti-democratic to lash out at followers of an anti-democratic wannabe-despot?

.

Yes.

That kind of behavior evinces the same sort of contempt for democratic principles that they claim to be opposed to.

More over it is counter productive, because it plays into the demagogue's narrative of how he and his followers are "persecuted"...

It's both morally wrong and politically foolish.

I can't argue with that Jim. It's really stupid to play right into his hands.

[BoSoxGal]

I'm not condoning violence or property destruction, but from what I've heard in the news those are the minority of anti-Trumpers doing that stuff. Most of the protesters are participating in making their voices heard in opposition to a budding tyrant; I have no problem with that.

I, too, am very worried about what is going to happen on Election Day with Trump stirring up hostility among his followers and encouraging 'poll watching'.

I'm going next week to vote early.

[liberty]

If I see it I am going to post it. I am not in a position to know what the fact are, but I am going to post it and let you guys sort it out. More violence:

https://www.lifezette.com/polizette/ant ... he-nation/

Anti-Trump Violence Sweeps the Nation
Media pays little attention to escalating attacks, thousands of threats against Trump supporters
by Matthew Vadum | Updated 26 Oct 2016 at 9:55 AM

A "news blog" called "PoliZette", side-by-side with other musings on pop culture, religion, and modern mommyhood under the umbrella of something called "LifeZette"??

LifeZette’s mission is contained in its moniker:  Life.  Explained.  Each day the site captures the wonder, the complexity, the frustration and the joys of life in all its variety.  This is media built for the way we live — never in one place or focused on one issue to the exclusion of all others.  From pop culture to faith, parenting to politics, LifeZette delivers a compelling mixture of stories, commentary, video and graphics designed to inform and entertain — and to help all of us live our lives to the fullest.

Something to fill an empty space, in other words, whether it needed filling or not.

It was said many years ago that if one were to put an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of typewriters and let them pound the keys for an infinite amount of time, they would eventually recreate all the works of William Shakespeare.  Since Al Gore graciously invented the internet, we have been able to test this theory and have (so far) disproven it.

But thank you, liberty, for linking us to some of the monkeys' output.

-"BB"-

Meade hates the expression, but it is one of my guiding principles, “it is what it is“. You might not like it, but that doesn’t make it go away. “It is better to know an ugly truth than to believe in a pretty lie“. This stuff is either true or not, but I expect most of it is true.

[MajGenl.Meade]

lib, would you please desist from ascribing words to me that I'm not sure are true. Have I said that I hate the expression "it is what it is?" Maybe I have but I doubt it. Perhaps it was someone else. I'm considering having the sig line "lib sucks donkey dicks" if you don't remove my name from your sig line.

[Big RR]

I'm not condoning violence or property destruction, but from what I've heard in the news those are the minority of anti-Trumpers doing that stuff. Most of the protesters are participating in making their voices heard in opposition to a budding tyrant; I have no problem with that.

I, too, am very worried about what is going to happen on Election Day with Trump stirring up hostility among his followers and encouraging 'poll watching'.

I'm going next week to vote early.

No argument there BSG; by all means express your opinions and protest, But when it comes to violent action (which is what I though you meant by lashing out), I think the actors belie what they claim to stand for.

I can't say Hillary supporters have been more violent than Trump supporters as Jim has stated, but I'll condemn violence on either side of the aisle. It's that sort of behavior that drove me away from the anti war movement in the 60s/70s.

[wesw]

now you are seeing the light.

free thought is becoming intolerable to the left.

when you put a trump sticker on your car you have to accept that your windshield may be smashed.

live free or die. right?

some things are worth dying for, liberty is among those things..., don t you agree?

[Big RR]

I don't know liberty other than through his/her posts, so I can't say (s)he is worth dying for.

However, free thought and speech is not intolerable to either side of the political spectrum, only to certain elements in each. Yes, there are some on the left who decry free speech in the name of sensitivity to the feelings of others, just as there are some on the right who decry free speech on the grounds of security. And both sides are also populated by some individuals who refuse to let certain subjects be openly discussed and try to shut those discussions down, be it abortion rights or gun rights. But there are many free speech advocates on both the left and the right.

As for the violence, it is rarely, if ever, justified. And it is certainly not justified for merely having a bumper sticker on your car.

[wesw]

thank you for the serious reply.

I do think that the problem of intolerance is much more prevalent on the left.

the campuses (campi ? ) are a glaring example.

I doubt that you listen to trump speeches (other than out of context soundbites) but he is passionate about helping our black citizens and hits it in every speech.

these things are cheered by his largely white audiences. racists? whatever..., right?

his loudest cheers are often in response to his condemnation of common core..., he should beat that to death to get women, of all colors, on his side....

anyway, call me what you want (not you, RR, but others...), it flows off my back much more easily these days, and that is a good thing.

me and the other trumpeteers aren t going to be violent whatever happens with the vote, but if big brother comes after our liberty, as stated in the bill of rights, I fully expect it to be defended, and that may mean civil unrest and balkanization in America, and that will be a horrible thing for us all.

[oldr_n_wsr]

an infinite amount of time,......Since Al Gore graciously invented the internet, we have been able to test this theory and have (so far) disproven it.

Haven't even gotten close to infinite amount of time with the monkeys.

But anyway, we have evidence? of Hillary/DNC hiring bad people who hire thugs to commit violence at Trump rallies. From what I have heard, the political leanings of those hired for the violence was not a pre-requisite. i would guess htat most of those commiting the violence were there for a paycheck and could care less about Trump or Hillary and their supporters.

Sad state of affairs.

[liberty]

lib, would you please desist from ascribing words to me that I'm not sure are true. Have I said that I hate the expression "it is what it is?" Maybe I have but I doubt it. Perhaps it was someone else. I'm considering having the sig line "lib sucks donkey dicks" if you don't remove my name from your sig line.

I am a nice guy unless I am threatened. If I am threatened I can be as unreasonable as anyone else. Assuming what you said here is not a threat I will take your name out of my sig line, but I will not stop referrng to what others have said. But, I know how unreliable memory can be so I will defer to you on what you said or did not say.

However, if it was a threat we can get into a discussion of all kinds of sexual perversions that you might like. Some are disgusting beyond belief. Not my cup of tea so to speak, but I don’t judge others, “Judge not less you be judged”. Actually, I don’t think oral sex as practiced by a heterosexual couple is a perversion.

[Burning Petard]

I am against violence. But that is sort of like obscenity--I know it when I see it.

For me, taking lawn signs, writing over lawn signs, obscuring bumper stickers or applying unwanted bumper stickers, even shouting or impolite gestures are not violence.

As I said in other contexts, I find no self-evident human right to never be offended.

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