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I’m the union leader Donald Trump attacked. I’m tired of being lied to about our jobs.
Trump swore he'd save our jobs. He didn't.
By Chuck Jones December 8 at 2:00 PM

The Washington Post's Libby Casey and Danielle Paquette sit down, Dec. 8, with Chuck Jones, the Indianapolis union leader who President-elect Donald Trump attacked on Twitter. (The Washington Post)

I’m a union leader in Indianapolis. I represent the Carrier workers whose jobs Donald Trump has pledged to save. And I’m tired of being lied to.

In February, corporate officials came to our plant and announced that they were closing the facility. They would move 1,300 jobs to a plant in Mexico. (Three hundred and fifty positions would remain in Indianapolis, mostly filled by research and development staff.)

Over the next several months, my team and I worked tirelessly to keep Carrier in our city. We came up with $23 million in savings, but the Carrier brass said that wasn’t enough. They could save $65 million by moving to Mexico. We couldn’t match that unless we were willing to cut wages to $5/hour and cut all benefits.

So we started to negotiate a severance package instead — one week of pay for every year of service, a $2,500 lump sum for every employee and free health care for six months.

Then, a couple of weeks ago, Trump got involved. He sat down with Carrier leaders. Afterward, he announced that 1,100 jobs would be saved. When I first heard the news, I was optimistic. But I began to get nervous when we couldn’t get any details on the deal. I urged caution, but our members got their hopes up. They thought their jobs had been saved.

When I met with Carrier officials last Thursday, I realized that that wouldn’t be the case. Though Trump said he’d saved 1,100 jobs, he hadn’t. Carrier told us that 550 people would get laid off.

Trump didn’t tell people that, though. When he spoke at our plant, he acted like no one was going to lose their job. People went crazy for him. They thought, because of Trump, I’m going to be able to provide for my family.

All the while, I’m sitting there, thinking that’s not what the damn numbers say. Trump let people believe that they were going to have a livelihood in that facility. He let people breathe easy. When I told our members the next day, they were devastated.

I was angry, too. So I told a Washington Post reporter the truth — that Trump’s 1,100 number was wrong. When Trump read my comments, he got angry. Last night, he tweeted:

Chuck Jones, who is President of United Steelworkers 1999, has done a terrible job representing workers. No wonder companies flee country!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 8, 2016

If United Steelworkers 1999 was any good, they would have kept those jobs in Indiana. Spend more time working-less time talking. Reduce dues

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 8, 2016

Now our office is getting phone calls and emails from people who are mad that I called Trump on his dishonesty. One man left five messages (though when I called him back and told him who I was, he hung up the phone). Some people have suggested that Trump didn’t mean to lie, he just got the numbers wrong. But I know that’s not true. On the campaign trail, Trump made perfectly clear how excellent a negotiator he is. I have negotiated hundreds of contracts. I know that if I’m going to have a fighting chance, I better damn well know the numbers.

To be honest, the attention isn’t a big deal. I’ve been doing this job for 30 years. In that time, people have threatened to shoot me, to burn my house down. I’m not a macho man, but I’m just used to it.

What I can’t abide, however, is a president who misleads workers, who gives them false hope. We’re not asking for anything besides opportunity, for jobs that let people provide for their families. These plants are profitable, and the workers produced a good-quality product. Because of corporate greed, though, company leaders are racing to the bottom, to find places where they can pay the least. It’s a system that exploits everyone.
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Lie big, lie early, and lie often. It's the GOP way.
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Trump’s power is limited; he has only threats and persuasion to work with until such time as he able to get some help from Congress until then he needs to make an example of some company. I would recommend Burger King. They moved their corporate head quarters to Canada in order to save on taxes. In exchange for that Trump should destroy their business with the help of this supporters. This would give his threats more power.

Then Congress could pass an Eminent domain law that would empower the president to seize companies that attempt move jobs out of the country. Sometime a little socialism is needed.
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I certainly hope that the above was supposed to be sarcasm.
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liberty wrote:I would recommend Burger King. They moved their corporate head quarters to Canada in order to save on taxes.
Another lie being spread by the village idiot because of his failure to read his own sources before he posts.
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Bicycle Bill wrote:I certainly hope that the above was supposed to be sarcasm.
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No, it is not sarcasm, but desperation. This country desperately needs high paying blue collar jobs so those worker can pay high amounts of income tax. The country needs lots tax money. Good jobs pay lots of taxes. Something has to be done to stop the bleed of jobs out of the country. What would be your solution?

Didn't Obama say he was going to stop bleed? But he didn't.

If trump fails the next president should be Putin, figuratively if not actually.
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After I posted the above it occurred to me that I might check on
Burger king's move because I do miss a lot of news. I did and it turned out they didn’t move. Well that is a shame; they would have made a great example. The company could have been destroyed without a lot of harm to the economy. I have been boycotting them for no reason; I can go back to there now. The food is not bad.

I wonder if Obama had something to do with it?

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No, it is not sarcasm, but desperation. This country desperately needs high paying blue collar jobs so those worker can pay high amounts of income tax. The country needs lots tax money. Good jobs pay lots of taxes.
No, what this country needs is people who are capable of doing a job.  We need people who can pass a drug test.  We need people who know what it means to come to work, every day, on time, sober and ready to do their job instead of just showing up and expecting to get paid for it.  We need people who don't sit on their can and collect unemployment or disability for a phantom illness, or stand on a street corner in an army surplus jacket with a cardboard sign claiming to be a homeless veteran because it pays almost as well as getting a real job.  We need to restore America's lost work ethic; and you aren't going to do that by passing legislation or by executive fiat.

And as far as "good jobs pay lots of taxes", Donald Trump had a pretty good job based on the amount of money he can throw around on jet airplanes with custom-dyed leather seats and gold lavatory fixtures, not to mention (supposedly) self-funding a Presidential campaign.  Care to tell me how much in taxes HE paid??  In his case, the money didn't go to taxes; it went to accountants who cooked the books and lawyers who found ways for him to *AVOID* paying taxes.
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liberty, the tone of your posts, above, seems to be different than how I feel.

no wonder that scooter is, or pretends to be, scared.

I don t find fault with your bully pulpit argument , but when you start talking about seizing things I too am afraid.

move to Russia if you like it there so much. get to steppe'in...... :D

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Why move? Trump and his boyfriend Vlad will be making America great like Russia, just give them 4-8 years.

Or maybe Donald, like Vlad, will figure out a way to never leave power . . .
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wesw wrote:liberty, the tone of your posts, above, seems to be different than how I feel.

no wonder that scooter is, or pretends to be, scared.

I don t find fault with your bully pulpit argument , but when you start talking about seizing things I too am afraid.

move to Russia if you like it there so much. get to steppe'in...... :D
Wes even under eminent domain the government still has to pay fair market value; that is not exactly the old Soviet Union.

However the government, if need to, could get creative in how they pay.
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yeah. I m not a big fan of eminent domain.

using it punitively is beyond acceptable to me.

well....maybe just the tech giants....

zuckerberg needs a little down to earth bringing.

still, I m only joking.

a better facebook is one click away if some billionaire decides to compete.

same with google.

they are becoming big brotherish, and I think that even the left will soon tire of that.

jeff Bezos at the WaPo?

the Washington post and the new York times and other media outlets have exposed themselves as dishonest, distorters of truth.

I think that they will find competition coming their way..., big league.

trump can pick that little independent, employee owned paper down in florida, tampa, I think, that reversed their endorsement of Clinton, and make That little paper the Paper of Record for his administration.

I just think that there are better options than seizure by govt.

I want to tell a joke about a Sicilian Viking from turkey, but I can t think of a good one right now......

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