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let them die. Courtesy of the "christians" that make up the Republican Party.

And they will do it under cover of darkness, in the wee hours of the morning, and in a way that stifles discussion and dissent. Welcome to Trumpanzee controlled America (and no longer my America). 20 million Americans tossed on the dust heap. But don't worry, they don't have a plan to replace it. They're just going to gut Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security next. Then they roll back abortion rights, and do whatever they can to limit access to birth control because being a woman is as useless as being old or poor or sick, except while they can keep you breeding.

I'm sickened. This is disgusting. I never expected to see A Handmaid's Tale come to life, but we're headed there, led by a pack of old, privileged, corrupt, "christian" white men. May they all rot in hell.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/u ... 930623#_=_
WASHINGTON — Senate Republicans took their first major step toward repealing the Affordable Care Act on Thursday, approving a budget blueprint that would allow them to gut the health care law without the threat of a Democratic filibuster.

The vote was 51 to 48. During the roll call, Democrats staged a highly unusual protest on the Senate floor to express their dismay and anger at the prospect that millions of Americans could lose health insurance coverage.

One by one, Democrats rose to voice their objections. Senator Maria Cantwell of Washington said that Republicans were “stealing health care from Americans.” Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon said he was voting no “because health care should not just be for the healthy and wealthy.”

The presiding officer, Senator Cory Gardner, Republican of Colorado, repeatedly banged his gavel and said the Democrats were out of order because “debate is not allowed during a vote.”

The final vote, which ended just before 1:30 a.m., followed a marathon session in which senators took back-to-back roll call votes on numerous amendments, an arduous exercise known as a vote-a-rama.


The approval of the budget blueprint, coming even before President-elect Donald J. Trump is inaugurated, shows the speed with which Republican leaders are moving to fulfill their promise to repeal President Obama’s signature domestic policy achievement — a goal they believe can now be accomplished after Mr. Trump’s election.

The action by the Senate is essentially procedural, setting the stage for a special kind of legislation called a reconciliation bill. Such a bill can be used to repeal significant parts of the health law and, critically, is immune from being filibustered. Congress appears to be at least weeks away from voting on legislation repealing the law.

Republicans say the 2016 elections gave them a mandate to roll back the health care law. “The Obamacare bridge is collapsing, and we’re sending in a rescue team,” said Senator Michael B. Enzi, Republican of Wyoming and the chairman of the Senate Budget Committee. “Then we’ll build new bridges to better health care, and finally, when these new bridges are finished, we’ll close the old bridge.”

Republican leaders say they will work closely with Mr. Trump developing legislation to repeal and replace the health care law, but it is unclear exactly how his team will participate in that effort.

On Wednesday, Mr. Trump said he would offer his own plan to repeal and replace the law “essentially simultaneously.” He said he would put forth the plan as soon as his nominee for secretary of health and human services, Representative Tom Price, Republican of Georgia, is confirmed.

The Affordable Care Act has become ingrained in the American health care system, and unwinding it will be a formidable challenge for Republicans. More than 20 million people have gained coverage under the law, though premiums have risen sharply in many states and some insurers have fled the law’s health exchanges.

The budget blueprint instructs House and Senate committees to come up with repeal legislation by Jan. 27.

Senator Bob Corker, Republican of Tennessee, and four other Republicans had sought to extend that deadline by five weeks, to March 3. But late Wednesday night, Mr. Corker withdrew an amendment that would have changed the date.


“We understand that everyone here understands the importance of doing it right,” he said. He described the Jan. 27 date in the budget blueprint as a placeholder.

Senator Rob Portman of Ohio, another Republican who sought to delay the deadline, said: “This date is not a date that is set in stone. In fact, it is the earliest we could do it. But it could take longer, and we believe that it might.”

The House was planning to take up the budget blueprint once the Senate approved it, though some House Republicans have expressed discomfort with voting on the blueprint this week because of lingering questions over how and when the health care law would be replaced.

A vote on the measure in the House could come on Friday.

In its lengthy series of votes, the Senate rejected amendments proposed by Democrats that were intended to allow imports of prescription drugs from Canada, protect rural hospitals and ensure continued access to coverage for people with pre-existing conditions, among other causes.
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I wonder how much higher than average the suicide rate will be this year?
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What's on the table affects everyone, whether you have ACA care or not. Senate Republicans voted:

1. To end coverage for preexisting conditions, veterans benefits, and aid to rural hospitals.

2. To remove discrimination protection for women in healthcare.

3. Against the provision allowing children to remain on their parent's insurance till the age of 26.

4. To cut off funding for the Child Health Insurance Program (CHIP).

5. Against ACA contraceptive coverage and maternity care provision.

6. To direct committees to send budget legislation to defund and repeal the Affordable Care Act.

And for those of us who get health insurance through work, no pre-existing conditions and lifetime caps for coverage are back for everyone.

Do not be distracted by twitter feeds and arm-waving. Real and disastrous actions are being taken that will affect more than just the 20-30 million people who will lose their health care coverage and the 3 million people who will lose their jobs. Despite their assertions of this being an action to "repeal and replace," no viable alternative plan has been proposed or is in sight and you're naive if you think otherwise.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/s ... -obamacare
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Note #1; this has nothing to do with Trump, this is the GOP agenda pure and simple.

Note #2; Democrats, independent Liberals (like myself), and others need to do a better job reporting back to the nation what the GOP is doing and how much it will hurt us and how much it has hurt us.

Note #3; All of the jackasses who voted for 3rd party candidates because they didn't understand what the stakes are, should have their noses rubbed into this so they don't hurt us again (as they did voting for Nader).

But meanwhile I am ashamed of my country that it is governed by people of such barbaric morals. And I have to fight off despair. They are an 'axis of evil'. Obama was a great president opposed by powerful and amoral people.



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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
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So, at what point will the Republicans finally piss off enough people that the revolution can begin?
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BoSoxGal wrote:I wonder how much higher than average the suicide rate will be this year?
Has anybody else noticed that the ultimate cost of the financial meltdown fallout over the past several years has been an alarming rise is the rate of self-murder and murder/suicide?
The overall suicide rate rose by 24 percent from 1999 to 2014, according to the National Center for Health Statistics, which released the study on Friday. The increases were so widespread that they lifted the nation's suicide rate to 13 per 100,000 people, the highest since 1986. - NYT, April 2016
Anybody else wonder how the repeal of ACA and other punitive policies under the GOP agenda will affect this tragic and gruesome trend?

Whilst donating to ACLU, planned parenthood and other liberal causes is important under the Drumpffuhrer, consider also donating to or volunteering with your local suicide helpline.
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Anybody else wonder how the repeal of ACA and other punitive policies under the GOP agenda will affect this tragic and gruesome trend?
Has the trend slowed (even a little) since the ACA has been enacted? sorry, anything I googled that might have shed light on my question I was restriced from
I have yet to see any uptick in the length of time allowed in rehab since the ACA. Most insurances still only cover a week (basically time to detox) and maybe some outpatient time. I think you have to go in for your third detox before they even consider paying for an inpatient rehab stint.
And there is a federal law effecting any treatment center with more than 16 beds that keeps them from billing medicaid for treatment of low income patients.

from here
•Alcohol is involved over a quarter of all suicides in the US (approximately 7500 per year).
•Suicide is 120 times more prevalent among adult alcoholics than in the general population.
•Alcohol abusers have higher rates of both attempted and completed suicide than non-abusers.
•More than one-third of suicide victims used alcohol just prior to death.

I know of more than a few alcoholics and addicts who have attempted suicide (myself included) and more than a few who have been successful (thankfully I am not included). Many addict suicides go listed as OD's. Only when they are revived do they sometimes say "I was trying to kill myself, why did you wake me up?" then it is listed as an attempted suicide.

Addiction (to alcohol and/or drugs) is permanent fact of life. Once across that threshhold, one can never again "just have one taste". Thus, the solution must be life altering and life long. In patient detox is usually needed as it can be deadly. Rehab is nice as it gets people into a safe environment where there are no temptations and guidance can be given along with treatment of any other problems mental and real depression not just alcohol/drug induced depression. Need to be clean for a period before that determination can be made . Alcoholics are most likely to be misdiagnosed as being bi-polar, many opioid addicts are misdiagnosed as manic depressives. Clean time is needed to make an accurate diagnosis. Even with the ACA, the time needed is not in many insurance prgrams, and the deductables and co-pays still apply, and those have been going up and up and up.

I man the suffolk aa hotline a few times throughout the year. Thankfully there are many of us so the burden is not too great on any one aa group or person. Being on the 12th step call list is a little more demanding, but it's what we sign up for. I am responsible for the hand of aa to be there for any alcholic/addict in need.

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BoSoxGal wrote:
BoSoxGal wrote:I wonder how much higher than average the suicide rate will be this year?
Has anybody else noticed that the ultimate cost of the financial meltdown fallout over the past several years has been an alarming rise is the rate of self-murder and murder/suicide?... "

The hollowing out of the social safety net has not only removed health benefits which keep people alive but it has driven people into despair about their futures and given them a motive for killing themselves. Most individual bankruptcies are driven by health care bills which cannot be paid.

Why are they allowed to get away with talking about cutting government costs without telling us how many people will die from it and why that is a more "fair and just" society?



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The hollowing out of the social safety net has not only removed health benefits which keep people alive but it has driven people into despair about their futures and given them a motive for killing themselves. Most individual bankruptcies are driven by health care bills which cannot be paid.
And here I thought obama care fixed the healthcare cost problem.
And besides most get subsidies.
Nearly 83%, or 10.5 million of the 12.7 million exchange members, received the law's premium subsidies, according to HHS.
http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article ... /160319974

Got any facts or figures showing how heathcare non-affordability drives the rise in the suicide rate?

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oldr--subsidies or not, most personal bankruptcies are caused by people who lost their healthcare insurance and had a major illness (or maybe due to having a major illness) and ran up big bills they could not pay. For all its faults (and there are many) Obamacare offers a safety net that might well cut back on such bankruptcies in time (it takes time to run through your savings and default on your bills--these people aren't deadbeats, they are generally people who were doing well and fell on hard times), but it would not stop such bankruptcies immediately.

As for costs, with more hospital bills paid by insurers, the charity care components of hospital bills would definitely decrease over time--and perhaps the system would progress to a time where there could be more negotiation of fees and drug costs in future iterations. Social security and medicare did not stop poverty among the elderly, it reduced it. Likewise for other successful programs. It's silly to fault obamacare for not solving everything at once. but the simple fact is, more people are getting affordable insurance, coverage for their preexisting conditions, coverage for their families (including unmarried children in their 20s), coverage for drugs, and access to preventative care--pretty much what many who were employed by big companies enjoyed. Can it be improved? Certainly. But don't count on Trump or the republicans to do that--you'll get some stupid health savings account. I've said many times in the past, my mother in 2000 was billed $84,000 for a 3 day, uneventful hospital stay; could a person earning even $50000 a year save that, let alone enough to cover a serious illness/hospitalization(s).

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Obama care has been in place too short a time to have data on the effects of HC costs on personal bankruptcies. If Obama care is gutted we will be back to the status quo ante and we already know what happens then.


Hospitals have seen a > 30% reduction in unreimbursed care because of Obamacare, A huge reduction which also represents a huge drop in the amount of costs which have to be shifted to paying patients or made up with local or state tax dollars.

http://ccf.georgetown.edu/wp-content/up ... e-2016.pdf
Hospitals have experienced positive fiscal effects
from state Medicaid expansions.
A study of a
single nonprofit Catholic multi-state hospital system
with 131 acute care hospitals in 23 states and
the District of Columbia compared performance
between states. In Medicaid expansion states
charity care costs decreased 40.1 percent
compared to only 6.2 percent decrease in non-
expansion states.


Research across states for
all hospitals shows similar changes. In expansion
states the rate of uninsured patient stays in
hospitals typically declined by nearly 36.9 percent
while the rate in non-expansion states of decline was slight: 2.9 percent.

Other research reporting
on major hospital systems in multiple states
shows comparable declines in admissions
of uninsured patients. For example, Hospital
Corporation of America (HCA) members in
expansion states had a 48 percent decline in
uninsured admissions from 2013-14 as compared
to HCA hospitals in non-expansion states where
there was only a 2 percent decline in uninsured
admissions.

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oldr_n_wsr wrote: ...
And here I thought obama care fixed the healthcare cost problem.
... "
Really, why would anyone think that? No one has said so. It is better, a lot better, but not perfect. Killing it is the act of a monster.


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So nothing about
The hollowing out of the social safety net has not only removed health benefits which keep people alive but it has driven people into despair about their futures and given them a motive for killing themselves.
Lets break this up a little
The hollowing out of the social safety net has not only removed health benefits
The ACA supposedly increase medical benefits and the amount of people receiving them. You yourself have championed that. Now you are saying that's not true?
it has driven people into despair about their futures
I believe the number one reason people are driven into despair about their future is a lack of good job opportunities. Not whether or not they have health care.
given them a motive for killing themselves
So is it not-covered major medical bills that is causing the rise in suicides?

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The "hollowing out" refers to the actions of the previous 35 years involving both health care and the rest of the social safety net. Obamacare is an improvement but only for a very short time.


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And now The Speaker says the details of any R health insurance plan are "mumbo jumbo". Nice.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik ... story.html
--What about replacement? Ryan was, typically, vague about what the Republican congressional majorities will propose to replace the ACA if it’s repealed. He said he didn’t want to get into “all of the legislative mumbo-jumbo,” but of course the nature of the replacement isn’t mumbo-jumbo to Obamacare beneficiaries — it’s their life-and-death concern.

One idea he did mention is expanding health savings accounts, which allow people to set aside tax exempt funds to pay medical costs. As we’ve mentioned before, HSA’s are giveaways to the rich and of limited use for lower-income people, who have trouble scraping together funds to put in an account and who won’t get much benefit from a tax exemption.

The most important question that Ryan dodged on Thursday, and again after Friday’s House vote, is what’s the rush? Repealing almost any part of the ACA will leave the individual insurance market in worse shape than it is now, and possibly worse than it was before the ACA. That’s especially true as long as no replacement plan is on the table. There are many routes to improving the Affordable Care Act without eroding public protections. If Ryan is truly intent on improving the lives of Americans dependent on the act, why does he have to shroud his intentions with misstatements and misrepresentations?
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From the same artIcle - the ongoing Ryan/Republican lies about the ACA:
We know that House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wisc.) is desperate to repeal the Affordable Care Act. What he never has been able to explain adequately is why.

Oh, sure, Ryan has offered some rhetorical explanations. He says Obamacare is “collapsing.” That it’s in a “death spiral.” That it’s a “struggle” for Americans. He says a “much, much better system” could be put in its place.


Ryan made all these points, and more, during a town hall meeting Thursday evening aired by CNN. The hour-long session didn’t yield an explanation for Ryan’s haste to take action that could upend insurance coverage for more than 20 million Americans. It did underscore, however, that his description of and position on the law are based on misconceptions, misrepresentations and lies.

Doubts about the wisdom of rushing into repeal — expressed not only by doctors, hospitals, health advocates, patients and even Republican governors — haven’t slowed the rush on Capitol Hill. On Friday, the House approved a budget resolution that will begin the process of stripping away some ACA provisions; the Senate passed its own version earlier this week. Nine Republicans crossed the aisle to oppose the measure, which otherwise passed on a party-line vote.


Here are some of the most glaring misstatements about the Affordable Care Act that came out of Ryan’s mouth during the Thursday town hall.

-- “The law is collapsing.” “We’ve got to rescue people from the collapsing of this law,” Ryan said. He didn’t specify what he means by “collapsing,” but by almost any measure of enrollment and cost this generalization has no basis in truth. Enrollment in private plans offered through the ACA exchanges for 2017 is running well ahead of the figure for 2016. Last year about 11 million people signed up for exchange plans; this year the total is projected to be 12 million. That’s not counting enrollees under Medicaid expansion, who number about 11 million.


--Premium increases. Ryan maintains that premium increases for ACA plans are unsupportable for American families. He expounded on this issue in response to a question from Jeff Jeans, a member of the town hall audience. (See accompanying video.) Jeans described himself as a small business owner and Republican who had been dead set against Obamacare — until he was diagnosed with cancer at age 49.

“Thanks to the Affordable Care Act, I’m standing here today alive,” he said. “I want to thank President Obama from the bottom of my heart, because I would be dead if not for him.”

But when Jeans mentioned that he lived in Arizona, Ryan thought he had a “gotcha.” Pulling a note card from his pocket, he reeled off the premium increases for Arizona and a few other states for 2017. “Arizona — this year, the premium increases for people on Obamacare, 116%,” he said. Oklahoma, Tennessee and Minnesota also had double-digit premium increases.

A few points need to be made here. First, premiums and deductibles were rising before the ACA, and in many cases, the post-ACA increases are lower than before. Moreover, the four states Ryan mentioned were those with the highest increases in benchmark silver plans — the figures Ryan was using -- for 2017. What he didn’t mention was that increases in many other states were much lower. Arkansas, Ohio and New Hampshire — 2%. In Massachusetts and Indiana, rates actually dropped.

One reason Arizona rates rose so much is that premiums in that state had been inordinately low; insurers were making up in 2017 for lost ground. In 2016, the average benchmark plan premium for a 40-year-old in Phoenix, according to healthinsurance.org, had been $207 per month, one of the lowest rates in the nation, bested only by New Mexico and Indiana. The 2017 increase will raise Arizona’s rates to among the nation’s highest, but the increase over the average is nowhere near what Ryan cited.

Most important, the premium increases don’t remotely reflect what most Arizona ACA enrollees — or those of the other states — will actually pay. That’s because ACA subsidies are designed to rise in tandem with premiums, or in some cases even faster. In Arizona, 76% of enrollees get a premium subsidy, and more than half also get a subsidy to help pay deductibles and co-pays. State-by-state statistics on subsidy increases for 2017 are here.

In almost every state, Obamacare premium increases were more than matched by increases in the government subsidy, as is shown by this chart by Kevin Drum of Mother Jones.
In almost every state, Obamacare premium increases were more than matched by increases in the government subsidy, as is shown by this chart by Kevin Drum of Mother Jones. (Motherjones.com)
In Arizona, the subsidies for 2017 are rising 428% for a 27-year-old earning $25,000 and 270% for a family of four with a $60,000 income. For that family, the list price of insurance will average $1,529 a month, but the subsidy will slash that to $405, or $100 per person.

Ryan didn’t mention any of that.

--High-risk pools for preexisting conditions. Ryan understands that protection for people with preexisting medical histories is the most popular element of the Affordable Care Act. Republicans eviscerate it at their peril. He told the town hall audience that the GOP has “a better way” to guarantee coverage for those people: high-risk pools. Separating those with expensive conditions from the overall insurance pool will make insurance cheaper for everyone else, he asserted. Since “8% of all the people under 65 have that kind of preexisting condition,” sequestering them would “dramatically lower the price for the other 92%.”

“We had a really good one in Wisconsin,” Ryan said. “Utah had a great one. I was talking with a congresswoman from Washington today who was telling me how good their state high-risk pool is.”

A lot of misconceptions and untruths are packed into this spiel. It’s unclear where Ryan got his figure of 8% of Americans suffering from conditions that would relegate them to a high-risk pool, but it grossly underestimates the problem. The Department of Health and Human Services estimated in 2011 that 50 million to 129 million Americans under 65, or 19% to 50%, had some kind of preexisting condition and up to 20% of them were uninsured. The ratio rose sharply with age, so that as many as 86% of those aged 55 to 64 were at risk of being denied insurance because of their medical condition. In 2012, FamiliesUSA estimated that nearly 25% of all Americans under 65 could be denied coverage without the ACA protections.

America’s experience with state high-risk pools has been almost universally grim. Before the ACA’s enactment, 35 states had such arrangements. They were chronically underfunded and for enrollees they were expensive, with deductibles as high as $10,000 and premiums as high as double those for healthy individuals. Every state excluded coverage for as long as a year for the very conditions that made their users uninsurable on the open market. They typically imposed benefit limits too low to pay for treatment, time limits for enrollees, and waiting lists.


For these reasons and others, by 2000 the pools were covering only 8% of the uninsurable population, according to a survey by health economist Austin Frakt. (That may be where Ryan got his figure, but if so he made a glaring error.) Economist Harold Pollack calculated in 2010 that if a nationwide pool covered only 4 million people with a history of emphysema, stroke, cancer or a heart condition, it would cost more than $24 billion a year and would still need to impose waiting periods before coverage of a condition and other restrictions. Whether a Republican Congress fixated on budget-cutting would appropriate that kind of money is doubtful.

As for the success stories Ryan touted, he’s overstating the case. Wisconsin’s pool did better than most, with 23,000 enrollees in 2013, but imposed deductibles of at least $5,000, premiums of twice the standard rate, and a six-month waiting period for coverage of a preexisting condition. Utah Gov. Gary Herbert was already fretting about the rising cost of his state’s high-risk pool in 2010, when the Affordable Care Act was enacted and took the problem off his hands.

It’s unclear what Ryan is referring to in his mention of Washington’s high-risk pool. Like other states, Washington shut down its pool when the ACA’s guarantee of coverage for anyone with a preexisting condition kicked in. It’s still covering a few people who were enrolled before 2014, but that will end this Dec. 31. Before the ACA, the program was not popular. Premiums ran as high as $23,000 a year, and covered only about 30% of patients’ expenses. The rest was borne by surcharges on commercial insurers, meaning that everyone with an individual or group policy in the state was paying for the pool — a reminder for Ryan that the cost of covering preexisting conditions can’t be eliminated, only shifted around.

--The “death spiral.” At the town hall, Ryan reiterated the specious claim that because more unhealthy people are buying Obamacare plans and “healthy people [are] not buying it,” rates are “skyrocketing,” driving more healthy people away and leaving costly unhealthy customers in the pool in a vicious cycle.

Experts who have examined the ACA market say nothing of the kind is happening. The Council of Economic Advisers reported this month that there’s no evidence that premium increases have had an adverse effect on either enrollments in the individual market or the risk pool. Enrollment is rising, and signups of people in the 18-34 age range — the most desirable because most healthy category, have remained steady at about 28% of total enrollment. That’s not as high as the 40% share that would be required to make the pool totally self-sustaining, but it’s not declining either. And it contradicts Ryan’s claim that “younger, healthier people [are] just going without insurance.”
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Just out from the nonpartisan Congressional budget office: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/u ... 0&referer=
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said on Tuesday that repealing major provisions of the Affordable Care Act, while leaving other parts in place, would cost 18 million people their insurance in the first year and could increase the number of uninsured Americans by 32 million in 10 years, while causing individual insurance premiums to double over that time.

The budget office analyzed the probable effects of a Republican repeal bill like the one approved in Congress but vetoed early last year by President Obama.

The C.B.O. report, released after a weekend of protests against repeal, will only add to the headaches that President-elect Donald J. Trump and congressional Republicans face in their rush to gut President Obama’s signature domestic achievement and try to replace it with a health insurance law more to their liking.
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The C.B.O. report, released after a weekend of protests against repeal, will only add to the headaches that President-elect Donald J. Trump and congressional Republicans face in their rush to gut President Obama’s signature domestic achievement and try to replace it with a health insurance law more to their liking.
Headaches? They'll revel in accusing the CBO of partisanship and say that the people don't want obamacare.

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Re: Bring your old, your tired, your sick, and we will

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On Saturday, Republican Rep. Mike Coffman held an event for his constituents at a public library in Aurora, Colorado. At least 150 constituents showed up, most of them hoping to ask Coffman about his recent vote to repeal the Affordable Care Act and his plans for a replacement. But only about 70 people got to meet with Coffman: Despite booking a large room with ample space, Coffman allowed in only four constituents at once for five minutes at a time. When the crowd grew restless, police put up crime scene tape and Coffman snuck out the back door—six minutes before the event was scheduled to end.
I gather other (R) Congresscritters are being overwhelmed by constituent concerns about ACA repeal, but of course they don't care.
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Re: Bring your old, your tired, your sick, and we will

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“Today’s report shows only part of the equation — a repeal of Obamacare without any transitional policies or reforms to address costs and empower patients,” said the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah. “Republicans support repealing Obamacare and implementing step-by-step reforms so that Americans have access to affordable health care.”
Add to that the CBO's abysmal record with respect to predicting the use and cost of the ACA, and everyone in the bubble can breath a little.

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