A "Good Guy" With A Gun vs. A "Bad Guy" With A Gun

[dales]

PUBLISHED: January 12, 2017 at 11:59 am | UPDATED: January 12, 2017 at 12:58 pm



PHOENIX (AP) — An attacker who shot an Arizona state trooper in a roadside ambush Thursday was himself fatally shot by a passing driver while he was bashing the officer’s head on the pavement.

The trooper suffered a severe wound to his shoulder and upper chest but he is expected to recover at a hospital.

“My trooper would not be alive without his assistance,” Department of Public Safety Director Ralph Milstead said of the good Samaritan who stopped.

The drama unfolded at an early morning rollover wreck near the town of Tonopah, on Interstate 10 in the desert west of Phoenix. In that crash, a woman was ejected and killed. She was believed to have been the passenger, and the man who shot the trooper is thought to have been driving.

Responding to a driver’s report of gunfire near the highway, the trooper spotted the wreck and stopped, Milstead and DPS Capt. Damon Cecil said. While he was putting out flares, the suspect opened fire and then physically attacked the wounded trooper, Milstead said. Both Milstead and Cecil said the trooper was ambushed.

The man was on top of the officer and “getting the better of him,” slamming the trooper’s head against the pavement, Milstead said. That’s when the passing driver showed up and asked if the trooper needed help.

He said yes, and the passer-by went back to his vehicle, got his gun and told the suspect to stop the attack, Milstead said. When he didn’t, the driver shot him.

Investigators were trying to determine how the rollover happened and whether the suspect was involved with the initial report of gunshots, officials said. Investigators plan to speak with the person who made that call.

Milstead said he feared the worst when he headed to the hospital to check on the wounded trooper.


“He’s incredibly fortunate to be here with us today,” the director said.

Westbound Interstate 10 was closed most of the morning, and traffic heading for California and western Arizona was detoured.

[liberty]

Well, what I want to know is this, is this murdering so call good-Sumatran going to be charged with first degree murder, as some would like?

[Scooter]

A good Sumatran? Is he from Indonesia?

[liberty]

PUBLISHED: January 12, 2017 at 11:59 am | UPDATED: January 12, 2017 at 12:58 pm



PHOENIX (AP) — An attacker who shot an Arizona state trooper in a roadside ambush Thursday was himself fatally shot by a passing driver while he was bashing the officer’s head on the pavement.

The trooper suffered a severe wound to his shoulder and upper chest but he is expected to recover at a hospital.

“My trooper would not be alive without his assistance,” Department of Public Safety Director Ralph Milstead said of the good Samaritan who stopped.

The drama unfolded at an early morning rollover wreck near the town of Tonopah, on Interstate 10 in the desert west of Phoenix. In that crash, a woman was ejected and killed. She was believed to have been the passenger, and the man who shot the trooper is thought to have been driving.

Responding to a driver’s report of gunfire near the highway, the trooper spotted the wreck and stopped, Milstead and DPS Capt. Damon Cecil said. While he was putting out flares, the suspect opened fire and then physically attacked the wounded trooper, Milstead said. Both Milstead and Cecil said the trooper was ambushed.

The man was on top of the officer and “getting the better of him,” slamming the trooper’s head against the pavement, Milstead said. That’s when the passing driver showed up and asked if the trooper needed help.

He said yes, and the passer-by went back to his vehicle, got his gun and told the suspect to stop the attack, Milstead said. When he didn’t, the driver shot him.

Investigators were trying to determine how the rollover happened and whether the suspect was involved with the initial report of gunshots, officials said. Investigators plan to speak with the person who made that call.

Milstead said he feared the worst when he headed to the hospital to check on the wounded trooper.


“He’s incredibly fortunate to be here with us today,” the director said.

Westbound Interstate 10 was closed most of the morning, and traffic heading for California and western Arizona was detoured.

Who was the guy who attacked the officer and why did he do it ?

[datsunaholic]

So far, they've only identified the officer. They haven't identified the assailant, the female passenger who was killed in the wreck, the motorist who shot the assailant, the motorist who used the officer's radio to call in assistance, or the person who initially called in the shots fired 911 call that brought the officer to that location in the first place.

Since the attacker is dead, why he attached the officer while the officer was setting out flares will probably never be known.

[liberty]

UPDATED: Civilian shoots, kills man attacking deputy in Florida

http://www.leoaffairs.com/featured/brea ... y-florida/

[Jarlaxle]

So far, they've only identified the officer. They haven't identified the assailant, the female passenger who was killed in the wreck, the motorist who shot the assailant, the motorist who used the officer's radio to call in assistance, or the person who initially called in the shots fired 911 call that brought the officer to that location in the first place.

Since the attacker is dead, why he attached the officer while the officer was setting out flares will probably never be known.

I'm goin to go with, "He was nuts," personally.

[liberty]

UPDATED: Civilian shoots, kills man attacking deputy in Florida

http://www.leoaffairs.com/featured/brea ... y-florida/

Is this a copy cat nation? I think this may continue until some good Samaritan goes to prison for helping a cop. I believe in some liberal states this guy would go prison for shooting the attacker three times.

[Big RR]

I believe you may be right; most 'liberal states" draw the line at two shots.

[Scooter]

We had a case up here not too long ago, a police officer shot someone three times, the jury said it was justifiable so he was acquitted of murder.

It was the six subsequent shots he fired into his inert body on the floor that got him convicted of attempted murder.

[MGMcAnick]

We had a case up here not too long ago, a police officer shot someone three times, the jury said it was justifiable so he was acquitted of murder.

It was the six subsequent shots he fired into his inert body on the floor that got him convicted of attempted murder.

So the "suspect" was dead after three shots, but the cop was convicted of attempted murder after six? Things just keep getting curiouser and curiouser. Was the grouping not tight enough or what?

[Scooter]

The jury found that the first three shots were fired under the reasonable belief that the cop was in fear of his life. So even with an intent to kill, it was not murder or manslaughter. The next six shots were fired after the man had fallen to the ground, the claim that he was still in fear for his life at that point was not seen as reasonable. Intent to kill would make it murder, but the autopsy determined death to have occurred before the latter six bullets were fired. One cannot be held guilty of murder if the victim is already dead. So he was convicted of attempted murder.

The way that helped me to get my head around it was to ignore that death was cause by bullets fired by the cop and imagine that death came about by any other cause, because the cop's justified actions have no bearing on whether subsequent actions were justified, nor on what charges he should be convicted of if they were not.

See here.

[RayThom]

The jury found that the first three shots were fired under the reasonable belief that the cop was in fear of his life... The next six shots were fired after the man had fallen to the ground, the claim that he was still in fear for his life at that point was not seen as reasonable...

Around here I'd say this could be prosecuted as an "Abuse Of Corpse" case. AOC is a Class A misdemeanor unless the abuse involves sexual intercourse, or “deliberate failure to prepare, bury, or cremate a corpse,” and is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 or up to 12 ½ years in prison, or both.

The cop should be thankful he got off so easily.

[liberty]

I agree with the second poster, but I think on this board at least I am in the minority. If you want a civilized society you can’t tolerate people attacking representatives of law and order. If one is unlucky enough run across an A-hole cop, you can’t hit him all you can do is report him later.

I agree with the second poster, but I think on this board at least I am in the minority. If you want a civilized society you can’t tolerate people attacking representatives of law and order. If one is unlucky enough to run across an A-hole cop, you can’t hit him all you can do is report him later.

I thought this was a copy cat, but this incident happen back in November. Just how common is this?



http://www.leoaffairs.com/featured/brea ... y-florida/


William W. Hatcher
November 14, 2016 at 8:32 pm
I would like to know what will happen to the citizen that had a legal right to carry but has used that right to shoot someone to defend a police officer. A follow up would be nice.

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Nope
November 14, 2016 at 9:31 pm
Nothing. He did the right and legal thing. Well within his rights to shoot. The officer’s life & safety was in danger – as was that of the general public. Give that man a medal!

[Scooter]

Do you have anything at all to suggest that there is anything more than an insignificant minority who believe the guy should be in prison?

Anything at all?

So why are you trying to invent controversy by making outlandish claims like there are states where he would be in prison?

Must have been a slow day at the dog track.