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Lord Jim wrote:
assuming they give this relief and Trump ignores it, what can they do
Well, if the case isn't thrown out, and if the plaintiffs are successful in the trial court, and if the decision is ultimately upheld by the Supreme Court, (a whole lot of ifs) ...

And then Trump were to defy the ruling of the SC, then he would be doing something that not even Richard Nixon was willing to do...
True, but Trump is no Nixon--he's more of an Andrew Jackson, who did defy the courts.

And there were a number of times when the courts backed down own attempts to reign Nixon in on his Vietnam conduct precisely because of this sort of concern (see, e.g. Tatum v Laird where Rehnquist refused to recuse himself, even though he had made statements on the same issues during his confirmation--all because a good portion of the SC didn't want the appellate decision, ordering Nixon to curtail his surveillance of "enemies", to stand. It's rare that such disputes go that far precisely because the courts want to avoid a constitutional crisis.


Guin, thanks.

And FWIW, it took the freedom riders to get the Kennedy administration to enforce the court desegregation rulings.


or gets his tame Congress to pass a bill that "explicitly consents" to allowing him to continue to accept these payments or whatever, and it's business as usual.

That's pretty much what Lincoln did when he found out he didn't have the power to suspend Habeas Corpus. But my guess is that, by then, trump will have pissed enough in Congress off to make such a bill's passage iffy at best.

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BoSoxGal wrote:This is a bit of an aside but related to the core concept of the importance of lawyers - I read online last night that one of Trump's policy goals is to eradicate the Legal Services Corporation! :evil:
Wbat do they do, exactly?
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Generally, provide the indgent representation in non criminal cases; things like representing a tenant in a eviction proceeding.

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do they handle immigration cases?

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I don't think so--most of them are handled by either private counsel or some charitable organization.

If anything, they may provide services to undocumented aliens who are victims of trafficking or domestic violence or other crimes, but I do not think they appear in immigration court or provide that sort of service.

does anyone know for certain?

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LSC funded legal aid attorneys are strictly prohibited from representing non-citizens except under VAWA - which Trump is also planning to entirely defund.
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Non citizens; I thought it was only undocumented aliens--persons with visas or green cards could be represented? Is this incorrect?

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The standard is "eligible aliens". Here's the CFR link: http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECF ... .1.3.11.27

And the key provisions:
(e) Eligible alien means a person who is not a citizen but who meets the requirements of §1626.4 or §1626.5.

(f) Ineligible alien means a person who is not a citizen and who does not meet the requirements of §1626.4 or §1626.5.


§1626.3 Prohibition.
Recipients may not provide legal assistance for or on behalf of an ineligible alien. For purposes of this part, legal assistance does not include normal intake and referral services.

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§1626.4 Aliens eligible for assistance under anti-abuse laws.
(a) Subject to all other eligibility requirements and restrictions of the LSC Act and regulations and other applicable law:

(1) A recipient may provide related legal assistance to an alien who is within one of the following categories:

(i) An alien who has been battered or subjected to extreme cruelty, or is a victim of sexual assault or trafficking in the United States, or qualifies for immigration relief under section 101(a)(15)(U) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(15)(U)); or

(ii) An alien whose child, without the active participation of the alien, has been battered or subjected to extreme cruelty, or has been a victim of sexual assault or trafficking in the United States, or qualifies for immigration relief under section 101(a)(15)(U) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(15)(U)).

(2)(i) A recipient may provide legal assistance, including but not limited to related legal assistance, to:

(A) An alien who is a victim of severe forms of trafficking of persons in the United States; or

(B) An alien classified as a non-immigrant under section 101(a)(15)(T)(ii) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(15)(T)(ii), regarding others related to the victim).

(ii) For purposes of this part, aliens described in paragraphs (a)(2)(i)(A) and (a)(2)(i)(B) of this section include individuals seeking certification as victims of severe forms of trafficking and certain family members applying for immigration relief under section 101(a)(15)(T)(ii) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(15)(T)(ii)).

(b) (1) Related legal assistance means legal assistance directly related:

(i) To the prevention of, or obtaining relief from, the battery, cruelty, sexual assault, or trafficking;

(ii) To the prevention of, or obtaining relief from, crimes listed in section 101(a)(15)(U)(iii) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(15)(U)(iii)); or

(iii) To an application for relief:

(A) Under section 101(a)(15)(U) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(15)(U)); or

(B) Under section 101(a)(15)(T) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(15)(T)).

(2) Such assistance includes representation in matters that will assist a person eligible for assistance under this part to escape from the abusive situation, ameliorate the current effects of the abuse, or protect against future abuse, so long as the recipient can show the necessary connection of the representation to the abuse. Such representation may include immigration law matters and domestic or poverty law matters (such as obtaining civil protective orders, divorce, paternity, child custody, child and spousal support, housing, public benefits, employment, abuse and neglect, juvenile proceedings and contempt actions).

(c) Relationship to the United States. An alien must satisfy both paragraph (c)(1) and either paragraph (c)(2)(i) or (ii) of this section to be eligible for legal assistance under this part.

(1) Relation of activity to the United States. An alien is eligible under this section if the activity giving rise to eligibility violated a law of the United States, regardless of where the activity occurred, or occurred in the United States (including in Indian country and military installations) or the territories and possessions of the United States.

(2) Relationship of alien to the United States. (i) An alien defined in §1626.2(b), (h), or (k)(1) need not be present in the United States to be eligible for assistance under this section.

(ii) An alien defined in §1626.2(j) or (k)(2) must be present in the United States to be eligible for assistance under this section.

(d) Evidentiary support—(1) Intake and subsequent evaluation. A recipient may determine that an alien is qualified for assistance under this section if there is evidentiary support that the alien falls into any of the eligibility categories or if the recipient determines there will likely be evidentiary support after a reasonable opportunity for further investigation. If the recipient determines that an alien is eligible because there will likely be evidentiary support, the recipient must obtain evidence of support as soon as possible and may not delay in order to provide continued assistance.

(2) Documentary evidence. Evidentiary support may include, but is not limited to, affidavits or unsworn written statements made by the alien; written summaries of statements or interviews of the alien taken by others, including the recipient; reports and affidavits from police, judges, and other court officials, medical personnel, school officials, clergy, social workers, other social service agency personnel; orders of protection or other legal evidence of steps taken to end abuse; evidence that a person sought safe haven in a shelter or similar refuge; photographs; documents; or other evidence of a series of acts that establish a pattern of qualifying abuse.

(3) Victims of severe forms of trafficking. Victims of severe forms of trafficking may present any of the forms of evidence listed in paragraph (d)(2) of this section or any of the following:

(i) A certification letter issued by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

(ii) Verification that the alien has been certified by calling the HHS trafficking verification line, (202) 401-5510 or (866) 401-5510.

(iii) An interim eligibility letter issued by HHS, if the alien was subjected to severe forms of trafficking while under the age of 18.

(iv) An eligibility letter issued by HHS, if the alien was subjected to severe forms of trafficking while under the age of 18.

(e) Recordkeeping. Recipients are not required by §1626.12 to maintain records regarding the immigration status of clients represented pursuant to this section. If a recipient relies on an immigration document for the eligibility determination, the recipient shall document that the client presented an immigration document by making a note in the client's file stating that a staff member has seen the document, the type of document, the client's alien registration number (“A number”), the date of the document, and the date of the review, and containing the signature of the staff member that reviewed the document.

(f) Changes in basis for eligibility. If, during the course of representing an alien eligible pursuant to §1626.4(a)(1), a recipient determines that the alien is also eligible under §1626.4(a)(2) or §1626.5, the recipient should treat the alien as eligible under that section and may provide all the assistance available pursuant to that section.

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§1626.5 Aliens eligible for assistance based on immigration status.
Subject to all other eligibility requirements and restrictions of the LSC Act and regulations and other applicable law, a recipient may provide legal assistance to an alien who is present in the United States and who is within one of the following categories:

(a) An alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence as an immigrant as defined by section 101(a)(20) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20));

(b) An alien who is either married to a United States citizen or is a parent or an unmarried child under the age of 21 of such a citizen and who has filed an application for adjustment of status to permanent resident under the INA, and such application has not been rejected;

(c) An alien who is lawfully present in the United States pursuant to an admission under section 207 of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1157) (relating to refugee admissions) or who has been granted asylum by the Attorney General or the Secretary of DHS under section 208 of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1158);

(d) An alien who is lawfully present in the United States as a result of being granted conditional entry pursuant to section 203(a)(7) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1153(a)(7), as in effect on March 31, 1980) before April 1, 1980, because of persecution or fear of persecution on account of race, religion, or political opinion or because of being uprooted by catastrophic natural calamity;

(e) An alien who is lawfully present in the United States as a result of the Attorney General's withholding of deportation or exclusion under section 243(h) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1253(h), as in effect on April 16, 1996) or withholding of removal pursuant to section 241(b)(3) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1231(b)(3)); or

(f) An alien who meets the requirements of §1626.10 or §1626.11.

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§1626.6 Verification of citizenship.
(a) A recipient shall require all applicants for legal assistance who claim to be citizens to attest in writing in a standard form provided by the Corporation that they are citizens, unless the only service provided for a citizen is brief advice and consultation by telephone, or by other non-in-person means, which does not include continuous representation.

(b) When a recipient has reason to doubt that an applicant is a citizen, the recipient shall require verification of citizenship. A recipient shall not consider factors such as a person's accent, limited English-speaking ability, appearance, race, or national origin as a reason to doubt that the person is a citizen.

(1) If verification is required, a recipient may accept originals, certified copies, or photocopies that appear to be complete, correct, and authentic of any of the following documents as evidence of citizenship:

(i) United States passport;

(ii) Birth certificate;

(iii) Naturalization certificate;

(iv) United States Citizenship Identification Card (INS Form 1-197 or I-197); or

(v) Baptismal certificate showing place of birth within the United States and date of baptism within two months after birth.

(2) A recipient may also accept any other authoritative document, such as a document issued by DHS, by a court, or by another governmental agency, that provides evidence of citizenship.

(3) If a person is unable to produce any of the above documents, the person may submit a notarized statement signed by a third party, who shall not be an employee of the recipient and who can produce proof of that party's own United States citizenship, that the person seeking legal assistance is a United States citizen.

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§1626.7 Verification of eligible alien status.
(a) An alien seeking representation shall submit appropriate documents to verify eligibility, unless the only service provided for an eligible alien is brief advice and consultation by telephone, or by other non-in-person means, which does not include continuous representation of a client.

(1) As proof of eligibility, a recipient may accept originals, certified copies, or photocopies that appear to be complete, correct, and authentic, of any documents establishing eligibility. LSC will publish a list of examples of such documents from time to time in the form of a program letter or equivalent.

(2) A recipient may also accept any other authoritative document issued by DHS, by a court, or by another governmental agency, that provides evidence of alien status.

(b) A recipient shall upon request furnish each person seeking legal assistance with a current list of documents establishing eligibility under this part as is published by LSC.

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§1626.8 Emergencies.
In an emergency, legal services may be provided prior to compliance with §§1626.4, 1626.6, and 1626.7 if:

(a) An applicant cannot feasibly come to the recipient's office or otherwise transmit written documentation to the recipient before commencement of the representation required by the emergency, and the applicant provides oral information to establish eligibility which the recipient records, and the applicant submits the necessary documentation as soon as possible; or

(b) An applicant is able to come to the recipient's office but cannot produce the required documentation before commencement of the representation, and the applicant signs a statement of eligibility and submits the necessary documentation as soon as possible; and

(c) The recipient informs clients accepted under paragraph (a) or (b) of this section that only limited emergency legal assistance may be provided without satisfactory documentation and that, if the client fails to produce timely and satisfactory written documentation, the recipient will be required to discontinue representation consistent with the recipient's professional responsibilities.
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That makes sense Guin; thanks.

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Sue/BigRR - judge assigned is Ronnie Abrams (a Cornell undergrad!). Do either of you know her?

https://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/07/29 ... ench/?_r=0
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Don't know her; she's young and new to the bench. 2011 Obama appointee and associate of Kirsten Gillibrand, so clearly biased and very unfair to Donald.
GAH!

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BoSoxGal wrote:LSC funded legal aid attorneys are strictly prohibited from representing non-citizens except under VAWA - which Trump is also planning to entirely defund.
Just to clarify (for us non-lawyers): VAWA=the Violence Against Women Act of 1994.
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Young indeed, She's about my age.

Damn. Shoulda gone to Yale....
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so clearly biased and very unfair to Donald.
sue-- :lol:

guin--I don't know her much beyond what Sue said. And we all should have gone to the Ivy law schools.

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Big RR wrote:
so clearly biased and very unfair to Donald.
sue-- :lol:
#rigged, obvs.
Big RR wrote:And we all should have gone to the Ivy law schools.
In retrospect, I'm pretty well satisfied with both the education and the professional opportunities afforded by our state school, which I think are every bit as good and valuable as those provided by Harvard or Yale, just somewhat different. I had some truly great profs and the Career Development office hooked me up pretty well when it was job-finding time. Had I actually thought about it as a career path, I probably could have used the school's administration/alumni political network to get on the track for a spot on the bench myself.
GAH!

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I was being facetious; I am happy with my education as well (and the value for the money I spent) and it has served me well in my career. However, an Ivy degree is definitely a plus in pursuing a judgeship--especially a federal one (something I did not aspire to). I don't think it would have been that different, but the simple fact is that some diplomas open more doors than others (of course, it would have taken years to pay the tuition debt).

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