Texas Governor Bombarded with Used Menstrual Products After Signing 'Fetal Burial' Order
Vice President Mike Pence proclaimed his intentions to fight for the lives of the unborn, but Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has taken extreme steps to shut down choice by women. After Abbott made an order that all women who have abortions and miscarriages must pay to have the fetal tissue buried, women launched a protest.
The Dallas Morning News reports that one woman, Ele Chupik, took to Facebook to urge women to send their used feminine hygiene products to Abbott. Chupik had no idea that women would actually do it, but they did.
“Unsure about fertilized status of these panty liners,” one anonymous sender wrote including her package.
Through December at least 17 women mailed their bloodstained products to the Texas governor’s office according to records the paper obtained.
“Sending unprotected human bodily waste is a health hazard,” said Michael Sullivan, a postal inspector in the capitol city. “We don’t see a whole lot of that.”
The governor’s office kept the incident quiet, not reporting it to the press or the postal inspector. The staff simply threw them away, but made digital copies of the items, perhaps for an open records request. Most elected officials’ offices keep mail on file.
“I am enclosing my tampons and sanitary pads as long as the law stands,” another woman wrote in.
One woman who didn’t even live in the state mailed her items encouraging the office: “Bury this!”
“I hoped that it would be taken as an insult,” Chupik said. “The same way we feel insulted.”
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Not sure there are really a whole lot of other ways to take it...“I hoped that it would be taken as an insult,”
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EWW!
This evoked an old, posthumous, Marilyn Monroe joke punchline:
"No thanks, I'll eat it here."
This evoked an old, posthumous, Marilyn Monroe joke punchline:
"No thanks, I'll eat it here."
“In a world whose absurdity appears to be so impenetrable, we simply must reach a greater degree of understanding among us, a greater sincerity.”
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Today I got an email solicitation from a Congress critter from West Virginia asking for money to support a constitutional amendment to change the definition of 'person' in the 14th Amendment to include a bundle of human cells as soon as they form a zygote--at the moment of conception.
No hint how all those used menstrual pads would be examined to determine if they held evidence of a dead person.
I thought the message was a reenforcement of the old joke that the toothbrush was invented in West Virginia--because anywhere else it would be a teeth brush. Then I check the congress-critter's web page and it turns out he is a carpet bagger that lived in the DC metro area and was very active in the Maryland GOP party. The dems got control of the districting process and his Maryland state senate district was gerrymandered into a safe Dem district, so he moved to Charlestown, W.VA where he was elected to the federal Congress. Can't blame him on the good people of W.VA. He was just another one of those DC swamp critters our president is gonna exterminate. The guy fled west to get away from the those Maryland voters, but the good voters of W.VAa found a way to get ride of him and sent him back to the Swamps that the good states of Maryland and Virginia did not want and donated for our national capital.
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No hint how all those used menstrual pads would be examined to determine if they held evidence of a dead person.
I thought the message was a reenforcement of the old joke that the toothbrush was invented in West Virginia--because anywhere else it would be a teeth brush. Then I check the congress-critter's web page and it turns out he is a carpet bagger that lived in the DC metro area and was very active in the Maryland GOP party. The dems got control of the districting process and his Maryland state senate district was gerrymandered into a safe Dem district, so he moved to Charlestown, W.VA where he was elected to the federal Congress. Can't blame him on the good people of W.VA. He was just another one of those DC swamp critters our president is gonna exterminate. The guy fled west to get away from the those Maryland voters, but the good voters of W.VAa found a way to get ride of him and sent him back to the Swamps that the good states of Maryland and Virginia did not want and donated for our national capital.
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I wonder why the antiabortionists never use images like this on their billboards to show the cuteness of the "unborn"?
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That appears to be a blastocyst, no?
Abortion generally occurs most often 9-12 weeks, at early fetal stage of development - if the woman isn't that far along when she decides to terminate, she's made to wait in order for the D&C to be effective. So that's not an accurate depiction of the fetal stage at which most abortions take place.
That said, if you search Google you'll find hundreds of inaccurate depictions that present a much more 'baby' looking fetus at 9-12 weeks than what is realistic - propaganda to make abortion seem like baby-killing.
I miscarried at 13 weeks, age 37. I'd had a scan at 8 weeks with strong heartbeat and showing normal development, but began spotting at 13 weeks, went to my ob/gyn immediately to find no more heartbeat. I birthed that fetus naturally, alone in my shower a few days later - with very real and intensely painful contractions, and hemorrhaging afterward that landed me in the ER for several hours. I spent days bedridden with heavy bleeding and on a hormone & grief-induced roller coaster. A real heartbreaking experience, like no other.
Anyway, what I gave birth to looked nothing like the photos anti-choicers use to break women's hearts, and my fetus was developed normally to 10-12 weeks before becoming unviable. So whatever.
Everything about pregnancy is so personal and in many cases so painful, it's just abhorrent that it's politicized. And to be honest, as much as I hate those anti-choice assholes, I also get very angry at many of my fellow feminists who are very often strident in their insistence that abortion doesn't leave lasting trauma for women who choose it. That's simply not true, unless I just happen to have met the only dozens upon dozen of women who mourn their abortions for the rest of their lives - even IF they don't regret the choice. There are forums like this one online for women who grieve abortion experiences, and retreat programs for women to process the grief - some programs are religious, some are secular. So it just isn't true that abortion is 'no big deal' the way some feminists assert - which I understand is done because black/white is easier to discuss than shades of grey. Still, until the conversation becomes more nuanced, a lot of women (and men) are left feeling as though there is no acceptance for their experience and pain.
Abortion generally occurs most often 9-12 weeks, at early fetal stage of development - if the woman isn't that far along when she decides to terminate, she's made to wait in order for the D&C to be effective. So that's not an accurate depiction of the fetal stage at which most abortions take place.
That said, if you search Google you'll find hundreds of inaccurate depictions that present a much more 'baby' looking fetus at 9-12 weeks than what is realistic - propaganda to make abortion seem like baby-killing.
I miscarried at 13 weeks, age 37. I'd had a scan at 8 weeks with strong heartbeat and showing normal development, but began spotting at 13 weeks, went to my ob/gyn immediately to find no more heartbeat. I birthed that fetus naturally, alone in my shower a few days later - with very real and intensely painful contractions, and hemorrhaging afterward that landed me in the ER for several hours. I spent days bedridden with heavy bleeding and on a hormone & grief-induced roller coaster. A real heartbreaking experience, like no other.
Anyway, what I gave birth to looked nothing like the photos anti-choicers use to break women's hearts, and my fetus was developed normally to 10-12 weeks before becoming unviable. So whatever.
Everything about pregnancy is so personal and in many cases so painful, it's just abhorrent that it's politicized. And to be honest, as much as I hate those anti-choice assholes, I also get very angry at many of my fellow feminists who are very often strident in their insistence that abortion doesn't leave lasting trauma for women who choose it. That's simply not true, unless I just happen to have met the only dozens upon dozen of women who mourn their abortions for the rest of their lives - even IF they don't regret the choice. There are forums like this one online for women who grieve abortion experiences, and retreat programs for women to process the grief - some programs are religious, some are secular. So it just isn't true that abortion is 'no big deal' the way some feminists assert - which I understand is done because black/white is easier to discuss than shades of grey. Still, until the conversation becomes more nuanced, a lot of women (and men) are left feeling as though there is no acceptance for their experience and pain.
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Excellent point Econoline.
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Pardon if my long post made it difficult for you to grasp the point rubato - but actually, Econoline's point is not excellent, because it's invalid.rubato wrote:Excellent point Econoline.
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At blastocyst stage, abortions don't happen.
At blastocyst stage, most women have no clue whatsoever that they're miscarrying, because they generally don't even know they're pregnant.
Hopefully that's simple enough to track.
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That critter happens to be a far right conservative, and a leading light in the "freedom" caucus of the house of representatives. He is also a Dartmouth grad, something that I'm sure he does not explain to his constituency. He's a good friend and classmate of a friend of mine. The story is my friend tells about going out there and campaigning with him are hair raising. West Virginia is the heart of Trumpanzee land. I'm very thankful my home state of Maryland ran him out on a rail.Burning Petard wrote:Today I got an email solicitation from a Congress critter from West Virginia asking for money to support a constitutional amendment to change the definition of 'person' in the 14th Amendment to include a bundle of human cells as soon as they form a zygote--at the moment of conception.
No hint how all those used menstrual pads would be examined to determine if they held evidence of a dead person.
I thought the message was a reenforcement of the old joke that the toothbrush was invented in West Virginia--because anywhere else it would be a teeth brush. Then I check the congress-critter's web page and it turns out he is a carpet bagger that lived in the DC metro area and was very active in the Maryland GOP party. The dems got control of the districting process and his Maryland state senate district was gerrymandered into a safe Dem district, so he moved to Charlestown, W.VA where he was elected to the federal Congress. Can't blame him on the good people of W.VA. He was just another one of those DC swamp critters our president is gonna exterminate. The guy fled west to get away from the those Maryland voters, but the good voters of W.VAa found a way to get ride of him and sent him back to the Swamps that the good states of Maryland and Virginia did not want and donated for our national capital.
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Blastocyst is 5 to 10 days after fertilization. Implantation is occurring at that time, and usually takes 10+ days to complete. A woman is not pregnant until implantation occurs. As BSG said, you cannot abort a blastocyst.
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I didn't see where Econoline mentioned anything about abortion. He only showed a picture of an embryo that isn't as cute as what the pro-runyourlife people always want you to see.
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The point is that blastocysts and embryos ARE NEVER ABORTED. Only fetuses are aborted. So the picture and point are off base.
I generally consider Econo's posts to be full of wisdom, but this one just fell short. I'd happily discuss the phenomena of photographic misrepresentation of fetuses by the pro-birth/anti-choicers, but this just wasn't the right photo to present to make that point.
I generally consider Econo's posts to be full of wisdom, but this one just fell short. I'd happily discuss the phenomena of photographic misrepresentation of fetuses by the pro-birth/anti-choicers, but this just wasn't the right photo to present to make that point.
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You'd think a real scientist would know that...At blastocyst stage, abortions don't happen.
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Embryos ARE aborted. They are called early abortions. Even I know that...BoSoxGal wrote:The point is that blastocysts and embryos ARE NEVER ABORTED. Only fetuses are aborted. So the picture and point are off base.
(usually medically induced)
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Yes, you're right - I was thinking of traditional D&C, not morning after pill or other nonsurgical abortion.
I stand corrected.
I stand corrected.
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And what about "spontaneous abortion?"
BTW -- I think that cute blastocyst above is a male. I detect a penis and testes growing in the center... right?
BTW -- I think that cute blastocyst above is a male. I detect a penis and testes growing in the center... right?
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Spontaneous abortion was covered by my statement that most women at blastocyst or embryonic stage of pregnancy don't even know they're miscarrying. Miscarriage is spontaneous abortion.
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Still, the possible death of that cute little unborn potential human is the reason why the pro-runyourlife people ( 
thanks, Joe!) oppose the morning-after pill and many forms of contraception. From http://www.prolife.com/birthcnt.html:
thanks, Joe!) oppose the morning-after pill and many forms of contraception. From http://www.prolife.com/birthcnt.html:- Physicians across America -- and around the world -- are now confirming that the Pill, IUDs, Depo-Provera and Norplant cause early abortions.
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Having a better grasp of biology than you do I grasp the point better than you do as well.BoSoxGal wrote:Pardon if my long post made it difficult for you to grasp the point rubato - but actually, Econoline's point is not excellent, because it's invalid.rubato wrote:Excellent point Econoline.
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At blastocyst stage, abortions don't happen.
At blastocyst stage, most women have no clue whatsoever that they're miscarrying, because they generally don't even know they're pregnant.
Hopefully that's simple enough to track.
What is aborted in a first trimester aboortion is a blob of protoplasm less than 3 in long and roughly a gram in weight. At most.
Before then it is something between that and what Econoline posted, At 8 weeks, a common time for an abortion, a fetus is a blob of protoplasm the size of a kidney bean.
Econolines post is valid and then some.
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I'm not sure I'd assume that rube...Having a better grasp of biology than you do I grasp the point better than you do as well.