Fuck those Aussies!

[BoSoxGal]

President Donald Trump 'slammed Malcolm Turnbull over refugee deal, accused him of trying to "ship the next Boston bombers" to the U.S. then HUNG UP on their hour-long call after just 25 minutes

You Oz losers better watch out!

[Econoline]

Beat me to it.

Full story, from WaPo:

• It should have been one of the most congenial calls for the new commander in chief — a conversation with the leader of Australia, one of America’s staunchest allies, at the end of a triumphant week.
  
  Instead, President Trump blasted Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull over a refu­gee agreement and boasted about the magnitude of his electoral college win, according to senior U.S. officials briefed on the Saturday exchange. Then, 25 minutes into what was expected to be an hour-long call, Trump abruptly ended it.
  
  At one point, Trump informed Turnbull that he had spoken with four other world leaders that day — including Russian President Vladi­mir Putin — and that “this was the worst call by far.”
  
  Trump’s behavior suggests that he is capable of subjecting world leaders, including close allies, to a version of the vitriol he frequently employs against political adversaries and news organizations in speeches and on Twitter.
  
  “This is the worst deal ever,” Trump fumed as Turnbull attempted to confirm that the United States would honor its pledge to take in 1,250 refugees from an Australian detention center.
  
  Trump, who one day earlier had signed an executive order temporarily barring the admissions of refugees, complained that he was “going to get killed” politically and accused Australia of seeking to export the “next Boston bombers.”
  
  U.S. officials said that Trump has behaved similarly in conversations with leaders of other countries, including Mexico. But his treatment of Turnbull was particularly striking because of the tight bond between the United States and Australia — countries that share intelligence, support one another diplomatically and have fought together in wars including in Iraq and Afghanistan.
  
  The characterizations provide insight into Trump’s temperament and approach to the diplomatic requirements of his job as the nation’s chief executive, a role in which he continues to employ both the uncompromising negotiating tactics he honed as a real estate developer and the bombastic style he exhibited as a reality television personality.
  
  The depictions of Trump’s calls are also at odds with sanitized White House accounts. The official readout of his conversation with Turnbull, for example, said that the two had “emphasized the enduring strength and closeness of the U.S.-Australia relationship that is critical for peace, stability, and prosperity in the Asia-Pacific region and globally.”
  
  A White House spokesman declined to comment. A senior administration official acknowledged that the conversation with Turnbull had been hostile and charged, but emphasized that most of Trump’s calls with foreign leaders — including the heads of Japan, Germany, France and Russia — have been both productive and pleasant.
  
  Trump also vented anger and touted his political accomplishments in a tense conversation with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, officials said. The two have sparred for months over Trump’s vow to force Mexico to pay for construction of a border wall between the two countries, a conflict that prompted Peña Nieto to cancel a planned meeting with Trump.
  
  Even in conversations marred by hostile exchanges, Trump manages to work in references to his election accomplishments. U.S. officials said that he used his calls with both Turnbull and Peña Nieto to mention his election win or the size of the crowd at his inauguration.
  
  One official said that it may be Trump’s way of “speaking about the mandate he has and why he has the backing for decisions he makes.” But Trump is also notoriously thin-skinned and has used platforms including social-media accounts, meetings with lawmakers and even a speech at CIA headquarters to depict his victory as an achievement of historic proportions, rather than a narrow outcome in which his opponent, Hillary Clinton, won the popular vote.
  
  The friction with Turnbull reflected Trump’s anger over being bound by an agreement reached by the Obama administration to accept refugees from Australian detention sites even while Trump was issuing an executive order suspending such arrivals from elsewhere in the world.
  
  The issue centers on a population of roughly 2,500 people who sought asylum in Australia but were diverted to facilities off that country’s coast at Nauru and Manus Island in Papua New Guinea. Deplorable conditions at those sites prompted intervention from the United Nations and a pledge from the United States to accept about half of those refugees, provided they passed U.S. security screening.
  
  Many of the refugees came from Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Somalia, countries now listed in Trump’s order temporarily barring their citizens entry to the United States. A special provision in the Trump order allows for exceptions to honor “a preexisting international agreement,” a line that was inserted to cover the Australia deal.
  
  Australia is seen as such a trusted ally that it is one of only four countries that the United States includes in the “Five Eyes” arrangement for cooperation on espionage matters. Members share extensively what their intelligence services gather and generally refrain from spying on one another.
  
  There also is a significant amount of tourism between the two countries.
  
  Trump made the call to Turnbull about 5 p.m. Saturday from his desk in the Oval Office, where he was joined by chief strategist Stephen K. Bannon, national security adviser Michael Flynn and White House press secretary Sean Spicer.
  
  At one point, Turnbull suggested that the two leaders move on from their impasse over refugees to discuss the conflict in Syria and other pressing foreign issues. But Trump demurred and ended the call, making it far shorter than his conversations with Shinzo Abe of Japan, Angela Merkel of Germany, François Hollande of France or Putin.
  
  “These conversations are conducted candidly, frankly, privately,” Turnbull said at a news conference Thursday in Australia. “If you see reports of them, I’m not going to add to them.”
  
  But U.S. officials said that Trump continued to fume about the arrangement even after signing the order in a ceremony at the Pentagon.
  
  “I don’t want these people,” Trump said. He repeatedly misstated the number of refugees called for in the agreement as 2,000 rather than 1,250, and told Turnbull that it was “my intention” to honor the agreement, a phrase designed to leave the U.S. president wiggle room to back out of the deal in the future, according to a senior U.S. official.
  
  Turnbull told Trump that to honor the agreement, the United States would not have to accept all of the refugees but only to allow them each through the normal vetting procedures. At that, Trump vowed to subject each refu­gee to “extreme vetting,” the senior U.S. official said.
  
  Trump was also skeptical because he did not see a specific advantage the United States would gain by honoring the deal, officials said.
  
  Trump’s position appears to reflect the transactional view he takes of relationships, even when it comes to diplomatic ties with long-standing allies. Australia troops have fought alongside U.S. forces for decades, and the country maintains close cooperation with Washington on trade and economic issues.

[BoSoxGal]

He's insane.

[Gob]

How the Aussie press saw it;

The corollary point is that Trump is the Mad King: volatile, vainglorious, and untrustworthy. Turnbull is right to handle him with kid gloves.

Indeed, if the report about Turnbull's call with Trump is accurate, it sounds almost as though Trump was "negging" the PM like a particularly low-rent pick up artist – describing the refugee deal as Australia's attempts to export the "next Boston bombers", boasting about his election victory and abruptly ending the call early. Stay mean, keep 'em keen.

Trump is now gainsaying his own private commitments, via Twitter. This is an extraordinary situation and one that is almost impossible to manage. American prestige is on the line.

World leaders be warned: Trump's conversations are not private and his word, unreliable.

[Lord Jim]

Trump’s behavior suggests that he is capable of subjecting world leaders, including close allies, to a version of the vitriol he frequently employs against political adversaries and news organizations in speeches and on Twitter.

That is precisely what I predicted Lord Dampnut would do should he win the election...The oaf has absolutely no sense of propriety...

Trump was also skeptical because he did not see a specific advantage the United States would gain by honoring the deal, officials said.

How about the "advantage" of being seen as a country that honors the commitments it makes?

Trump probably sees zero value in that. He would prefer that the US have the same sort of reputation for being a deal welsher and sleazy operator that he enjoys...

[Econoline]

Hey, he's repeatedly gotten away with it so many times over so many years...why would he now see any value in being seen as honest and trustworthy?

[wesw]

Berkeley is pissing on it s own porch and the "press" leads with a how terrible a terse phone call is.....

burn baby burn......

[Econoline]

...'cuz obviously there can't be *TWO* bad things happening at the same time...

[Sue U]

Berkeley is pissing on it s own porch and the "press" leads with a how terrible a terse phone call is.....

burn baby burn......

Yeah, that's it ... I'm sure whatever a couple dozen college kids are doing in Berkeley is way more significant than the President of the United States fucking up foreign relations by showing himself to be an untrustworthy party to international agreements who has the diplomatic skills of a toddler throwing a temper tantrum.

If you're trying for a Kellyanne Conway-style deflection, it's not working. (Psssst ... it doesn't actually work for her, either.)

[wesw]

burning , vandalism, not allowing free speech and association

vs

terse phone call


#fake news

#destroy CNN

#natl guard

#

[Sue U]

"Fake news" is reporting as real something that didn't happen. When the president actually does something that's both stupid and harmful to American interests, that's real, genuine, 100% news. You really need to learn the difference. It's not "fake" just because it shows your choice of a leader to be the ignorant, petulant twat he is. (Then again, technically that's not "news," either.)

[wesw]

define it how you want.

call it a ban or ham sammich... WG a S?

fake news, to me, is a coordinated effort to mislead.

#destroy cnn

the freedom of the press will not suffer if CNN is crushed by poor ratings and honest reporting of their bias and dishonesty.

at least MSNBC owns up to being rabid lefties. they wear it on their sleeves.

[Sue U]

define it how you want.

call it a ban or ham sammich...

No, a definition is actually what defines a thing. Calling something "fake news" doesn't make it "fake" just because the facts are uncomfortable for you. And this thread is not about bans or sandwiches. I get why you're trying to change the subject, though.

WG a S?

You do, obviously, because you keep bringing it up in a transparent effort to avoid the actual subject.

fake news, to me, is a coordinated effort to mislead.

No, that is either "spin" or "propaganda," which is what Sean Spicer and Kellyanne Conway deliver on a daily basis with their "alternative facts."

#destroy cnn

the freedom of the press will not suffer if CNN is crushed by poor ratings and honest reporting of their bias and dishonesty.

at least MSNBC owns up to being rabid lefties. they wear it on their sleeves.

Are CNN and MSNBC the only sources of news and information in your sad little world? Is someone forcing you to watch CNN? Are they hurting your fee-fees? I've got real news for you, cupcake: every news outlet has a point of view, because the stories are all written and selected for publication/broadcast by humans who have "ears" and "eyes" and "brains" that interpret what they "see" and "hear." Why do you think CNN has to be "destroyed"? Why are you jumping on Trump's bandwagon attempting to de-legitimize CNN and not also demanding the "destruction" of Fux Newz or the Washington Times or the Wall Street Journal or Breitbart.com, for that matter?

And still, NONE of this has anything to do with the subject of this thread, and particularly where Econoline's link was to the Washington Post, not CNN. But again, your obvious goal is to deflect, distract, avoid and "lalalalalalalalala I can't hear you" until this thread disappears down the page.

[wesw]

weak arguments all.

fake arguments.

call it a ham sammich if you want, it still tastes like bullshit on whitebread.

#pinko-blues

#waninginterest

#yawn

[Sue U]

weak arguments all.

fake arguments.

call it a ham sammich if you want, it still tastes like bullshit on whitebread.

#pinko-blues

#waninginterest

#yawn

#Lame, #sad and #dishonest.

You are a cowardly little boy who runs away. Every. Single. Time.

[Guinevere]

A cowardly little minion. My boys don't run away.

[wesw]

my garden is all turned over and weeded.

hopefully peace will last thru the harvests.

[Scooter]

WASHINGTON ― Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) called Australia’s ambassador to the United States Thursday morning to do damage control after President Donald Trump’s disastrous recent call with the country’s prime minister.

McCain said he expressed his “unwavering support for the U.S.-Australia alliance” in the call with Ambassador Joe Hockey.

“I asked Ambassador Hockey to convey to the people of Australia that their American brothers and sisters value our historic alliance, honor the sacrifice of the Australians who have served and are serving by our side, and remain committed to the safer, freer, and better world that Australia does far more than its fair share to protect and promote,” the senator said in a statement.

[rubato]

Impeachment by a bipartisan vote in less than 6 months.

He is not just making a few rookie mistakes and correcting himself as he goes. He never admits he had made a mistake, ever, and thus cannot learn on the job. Not anything. He just sends his spokesman out to lie in ever more implausible ways. He is spinning more and more wildly out of control like a carnival ride that is failing as it speeds up.

yrs,
rubato

[dales]

Impeachment by a bipartisan vote in less than 6 months.

I hope you're right on this, rube.