Generalissimo Trump screws the pooch, bigly

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Generalissimo Trump screws the pooch, bigly

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Donald Trump's first military decision as president was to put "boots on the ground" in a strike against an al-Qaeda compound in Yemen. Despite presidential spokesweasel Sean Spicer's claims that the action was "very successful," the result was actually one American serviceman dead, at least six others injured, a $70 million Marine Corps aircraft destroyed by an American airstrike, and claims of dozens of civilians -- including women and children -- killed in the crossfire, in a raid where "almost everything went wrong."

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/seal- ... pt0-594115

One 8-year-old girl shot through the neck was an American citizen -- the child of Anwar al-Awlaki -- which will hand al-Qaeda yet another propaganda point and recruitment tool: "It wasn't enough for the Americans to kill Anwar al-Awlaki in a drone strike; they're bent on wiping out his entire family, just like Donald Trump said he wanted to do."

Gee, do you think there will be a congressional investigation into who thought it would be a good idea to launch this enormous clusterfuck?

Donald "I know more than the generals" Trump: Now a clear and present danger both foreign and domestic.
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But the results were so great because he knows more than all the generals combined, believe him.

One thing, it usually takes new presidents a few months to screw up this bad--Trump is living down to my worst expectations, and it's only week two. :roll:

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The good news is that the good guys of Seal Team Six did manage to end the life of a 8 year old American citizen. At least she will never grow up to be a suicide bomber. The dead potential terrorist was the daughter of Anwar al-Awlaki, also an American citizen. He was killed about five years ago on the direct personal order of that famous constitutional law professor, President Obama. The execution was conducted by push-bottom warfare, without any potential harm to American operatives. See 'We Kill Because We Can' by Laurie Calhoun

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But the results were so great because he knows more than all the generals combined, believe him.
Rule of thumb: If somebody tells you "Believe me," DON'T.
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Jesus fucking Christ, this is horrific.

And explains why the SCOTUS prime time presser. Divert, divert, divert.

Sue, I'm stealing your commentary and sharing. I'll attribute.
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O hai, while we're all foreign-policying today, let's not forget about Trump's excellent Yemeni adventure! Mo deets, mo problems!
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Everything Went Wrong In Trump’s Clusterf*ck Yemen Raid. Let’s Blame Hillary Clinton!

By Doktor Zoom - February 2, 2017 - 11:57am 233

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William ‘Ryan’ Owens and Nawar Anwar al-Awlaki

The more we learn about last weekend’s raid by American special forces on a compound in Yemen, which killed a Navy SEAL, several al Qaeda fighters, and multiple civilians, including an 8-year-old girl who was an American citizen, the more it looks like Donald Trump authorized the raid in the first week of his presidency so he could have a feather in his cap, but now it’s starting to look more like the raid’s iffy planning will leave Trump with a big black eye. The military is now investigating the raid to determine whether noncombatants were killed (yes) and how many (????). But plenty of details are starting to come out that leave the impression that while the raid had been in the planning stages since sometime during the Obama administration, Trump went ahead and gave the order without enough information, because he wants to be a badass and — you might want to sit down — may occasionally act in a hasty, ill-thought-out manner!

First off, the basics: Joint Special Operations Command raided a village Sunday night in south-central Yemen to capture computer equipment and cell phones that could yield valuable intelligence about al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula; that part of the raid apparently succeeded, according to Pentagon spokespeople. But there seems to be a pretty big gap between the official story and what leakers from various sources are saying about the raid. Col. John Thomas, a spokesman for Central Command (and a person for whom junior high must also have been a living hell), said the planning for the attack had “started months before” during the Obama administration, but hadn’t been “previously approved” by the former president. And here are the read-em-carefully paragraphs from The Guardian:
Thomas said he did not know why the prior administration did not authorize the operation, but said the Obama administration had effectively exercised a “pocket veto” over it.

A former official said the operation had been reviewed several times, but the underlying intelligence was not judged strong enough to justify the risks, and the case was left to the incoming Trump administration to make its own judgment.
According to Reuters, the operation lacked key information:
U.S. military officials told Reuters that Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations.

As a result, three officials said, the attacking SEAL team found itself dropping onto a reinforced al Qaeda base defended by landmines, snipers, and a larger than expected contingent of heavily armed Islamist extremists.

The Pentagon directed queries about the officials’ characterization of the raid to U.S. Central Command, which pointed only to its statement on Wednesday.

“CENTCOM asks for operations we believe have a good chance for success and when we ask for authorization we certainly believe there is a chance of successful operations based on our planning,” CENTCOM spokesman Colonel John Thomas said.

“Any operation where you are going to put operators on the ground has inherent risks,” he said.
Official story: all operations are risky, but we were ready for all the stuff that went wrong. Leaked version: it was a cluster f-bomb from the start because the intelligence about the target wasn’t very solid.

The special operations team encountered heavy resistance, wounding three members of the team and killing one, Navy SEAL William ‘Ryan’ Owens, and the team called in airstrikes by helicopter gunships and Harrier jets. Two MV-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft were sent to extract the raiders, but one of them had an engine failure, resulting in a “hard landing” that injured two crew members and left the Osprey unflyable, so one of the jets destroyed it with a laser-guided bomb. Then, after everyone was out, Yemeni officials said the raid had resulted in a high number of noncombatant casualties, including several children. One of the children killed was Nawar “Nora” al-Awlaki, 8, the daughter of Anwar al-Awlaki, the Al Qaeda leader the Obama administration killed in a drone strike in 2011 (his 16-year-old son was killed in another strike on an al Qaeda leader a week later, though he was not the target of that raid).

But we got those hard drives, and there may be something good on them. Yay?

The New York Times (which said Obama handed off the operation to Trump because “the Pentagon wanted to launch the attack on a moonless night and the next one would come after his term had ended,” a detail other reports don’t mention and the Times doesn’t source — Trump people, maybe?) reports Team Trump decided to authorize the attack at a dinner meeting attended by Trump and his best buds Jared Kushner and Steve Bannon, along with Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Joint Chiefs chair Gen. Joseph Dunford, VP Mike Pence, and national security adviser Mike Flynn. It’s not clear who advocated most strongly for the strike or whether anyone urged caution; we imagine Bannon raising his head slowly, his eyes an unnatural red, and saying thickly, “Exterminate the brutes.” You also sort of have to wonder how Jared Kushner brought his top-notch real estate developer experience to the deliberations. The tell-all memoirs to come out of this administration will undoubtedly be amazing. Or, considering how TrumpLand leaks like the hydraulic lines on a V-22 Osprey, we may get all the dinner’s details in the Washington Post by the weekend.

Now let’s stir in these factors, as highlighted by David Corn at Mother Jones. The Times reports,
Mr. Trump’s new national security team, led by Mr. Flynn, the former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency and a retired general with experience in counterterrorism raids, has said that it wants to speed the decision-making when it comes to such strikes, delegating more power to lower-level officials so that the military may respond more quickly. Indeed, the Pentagon is drafting such plans to accelerate activities against the Qaeda branch in Yemen. [emphasis added by Corn]
Similarly, the Washington Post says:
“We expect an easier approval cycle [for operations] under this administration,” another defense official said…“We really struggled with getting the [Obama] White House comfortable with getting boots on the ground in Yemen,” the former official said. “Since the new administration has come in, the approvals [at the Pentagon] appear to have gone up.”
Says Corn, if you read between the lines in all these reports, it looks like Trump wanted action, and by god he got some action, regardless of whatever may have held back that wimp Obama. But once the operation went tits-up, military officials are going off the record and telling reporters that Trump went ahead and approved a mission with inadequate intelligence and preparation, and not enough people on the ground or in the air. Corn asks,
Is that really what happened? Or is the Pentagon throwing Trump under the bus for a failure that’s their fault? I suppose we might find out if Congress decided to investigate, but that would be out of character for them. After all, Congress rarely spends its time holding contentious hearings about missions in dangerous parts of the world that go south and get people killed. I can’t think of one recently, anyway.
Hmm. Excellent point. Where was Hillary Clinton during all this, and would we have a better understanding of what went wrong if we grilled Sidney Blumenthal? Who gave the order to stand down? What about the emails? WHAT ABOUT THE EMAILS?

[Guardian / NYT / Reuters / WaPo / Guardian / Tom Scocca on Twitter / MoJo]
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Unfuckingbelievable
Trump didn’t bother to show up in the Situation Room for bungled Yemen raid

President Trump was not in the Situation Room during the first special forces raid of the Trump administration. The raid on a reported al-Qaida base in Yemen resulted in the death of U.S. Navy SEAL William “Ryan Owens.” Three other officers were wounded during the raid, and a suspected 30 civilians (approx. 10 men, 10 women, 10 children) were killed. Fourteen Al-Qaida were also killed.

“The president was here in the residence,” Press Secretary Sean Spicer said to reporters. “He was kept in touch with his national security staff. Secretary Mattis and others kept him updated on both the raid and the death of Chief Owens as well as the four other individuals that were injured. So he was kept apprised of the situation.”

U.S. military officials have told Reuters on condition of anonymity that President Trump “approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations.”
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"First off, the basics: Joint Special Operations Command raided a village Sunday night in south-central Yemen to capture computer equipment and cell phones "

First off, this was a military operation, executed by military personnel, who are all volunteers and suit up knowing they are "GI" military equipment and expendable, just like the Osprey that was destroyed by other US military personnel.

Seals are among the best GI's in the world. Seal Team Six have long worked to demonstrate they are the best of the best.

My son worked at a desk right next to the current Secretary of the Interior, while they were both US Navy officers assigned to Seal Headquarters West, He has talked to me at length about the focus of the Seals. The Mission IS Everything. If the mission is accomplished and all equipment is destroyed and all the Seals dead--it was a successful mission. Warriors do not think like normal people.

If they got the hardware they were sent to get, the mission was successful. Political fall-out, human cost, actual intelligence obtained from that equipment, is all outside the responsibility of the Seals.

Our president is the CinC. He wants to pretend he knows what a warrior is because he played baseball in high school at a second rate military academy. But he cannot maintain the pretense now. The buck stops at his desk. There is no laying off responsibility on the planners or the previous administration.

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zinke seems to be an impressive man.

if your son sat beside him , I suspect that your son is also an impressive man.

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Zinke is a dink; I expect a terrible performance from him at Interior.
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ah, the old montana insult.

I haven t heard anyone called a dink for twenty years....

bsg is keepin it real

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