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so much for pretending to care...

anyway, sure you could fix your toilet..., maybe.

but you couldn t be a plumber.

you couldn't succeed in any trade without the requisite training and experience.

it takes about five years of actual work in any trade to become worthy of being called a journeyman.

many never make it to that and they remain helpers.

becoming a master of a trade is even more difficult.

you have to be safe, be smart, be educated and be able to lift and use the bloody tools.

the range of skills needed to be a master of a trade exceeds the skills needed to be an attorney, imho.

ok, so you are smart and mouthy. big deal, it s not like you are a braain surgeon.

now surgeons...., they have wide ranging skills.

oldr transcends "bubbles" in my opinion.

he is pretty widely knowledgable and has wide ranging skills....pretty rare for an engineer... :mrgreen:

lawyer, cross examine yourself.

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Lawyers have very high rates of substance abuse, depression/suicide, heart attacks and other serious physical ailments relative to the general population.

Why? Because they work very long hours awash in toxic stress hormones working diligently to solve other people's problems. And many of them do it for not a huge salary, contrary to popular belief - while most who graduated within the past 20 years are massively in student loan debt, so they have that stress to cope with, too.

Everyone hates a lawyer until they need one - and then many of them hate the lawyer when s/he seeks to get paid for her services.
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
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Another thought provoking read, from Nicholas Kristoff in the NY Times today, on Trump and poetry:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/opin ... egion&_r=0

Among those published, this one caught my attention as insight into the tactics of our president:


Najma Menai of West Lafayette, Ind., a student at Purdue, says that writing poetry is “one of the chief ways I’m keeping myself sane these days.” She submitted this poem warning against Trump’s antics distracting us from critical issues:
He will say something awful
And cause quite the fuss
Until that one thing
Is all we discuss.…
So when Trump says
The wall will now be a fence
Worry more about
Bannon and Priebus and Pence….
And when he acts like a child
On the global stage
Worry more about
How you, yes you, must engage

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Thought Provoking Read

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“In a world whose absurdity appears to be so impenetrable, we simply must reach a greater degree of understanding among us, a greater sincerity.” 

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Guinevere wrote: "... want safe drinking water, clean air, and to slow or stop sea-level rise and other impacts of global climate change; believe you can marry who you love, regardless of gender or race; believe that no one should face discrimination in jobs or housing or access to justice because of their gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, national origin, or age; and believe every citizen deserves an unfettered right to vote, then yes, I am the enemy and I'm damn proud of it.
The "extremist" agenda that LR and the Republicans are trying to defeat.
Guinevere wrote: "... Sure, I can fix my toilet, shovel my own snow, assemble my own IKEA bookcases, but no, I'm not a carpenter or an electrician or an engineer, and I hire people to do that kind of work for me and contribute to the local economy by paying them good wages to do that work. ... "
And the fact is that while I have done carpentry, plumbing, electrical work, welding, glazed windows, fixed cars, it takes me several times as long as someone who does it all the time. I hire them because I respect them for their skills and am grateful to have them.
Guinevere wrote: "... I don't even have complete control over my schedule -- when a court says, be present, I am present, regardless of what else I've got planned. ... " .
Freedom is not the absence of constraint it is the ability to choose how you are constrained.

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You're judging people who have a different skill set than you do, because they are different.
I try not to judge anyone. If I did/am doing, I can assure you that I will look inward to see what it is about me that does that.
I ended up in law school. But that doesn't make me "elite" as compared to someone whose skill is more mechanical, and who is good with their hands and is in the trades.
As I said before, what you do for a living does not make one an "elite". It's an attitude. The attitude I have described previously. Telling people how they should live, if they only thought the way "the elite" did they would see the light.
I don't think I have ever berated lawyers and if I did I am sorry. All proffesions have their purpose else they would not be a proffession. I believe I have berated politicians, but that's because they did not live up to or keep their promises.
If being "the enemy" means I support and defend the Constitution of the United States (as I have so sworn on multiple occasions); believe everyone should have access to good free (tax-payer supported) public education; want safe drinking water, clean air, and to slow or stop sea-level rise and other impacts of global climate change; believe you can marry who you love, regardless of gender or race; believe that no one should face discrimination in jobs or housing or access to justice because of their gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, national origin, or age; and believe every citizen deserves an unfettered right to vote, then yes, I am the enemy and I'm damn proud of it.
I see nothing here to disagree with other than calling yourself "the enemy". Merely having a difference of opinion on some subjects does not an enemy make. If everyone agreed, how boring it would be. And society would probably crumble as one sidedness gives way to stagnation.
So I may not be building homes, but I'm in court defending women and children from their battering spouse, who is trying to batter them again using the court system to try and avoid paying support, or sitting on a local board, or helping kids learn how to read, or sorting food at a for pantry, and yes, even sometimes, writing a check.
I appologize for sounding the way I did that those who donate money is "less" important than those who give of themselves and their time. I applaud you for your work with the down trodden. Thank you. I see many battered/raped women in the rooms of AA and know the services they need and sometimes get. There is much need for what you do.
Right, because that's what people are doing . . . just sitting around whining. There aren't any people working their asses off at 1, 2 or even 3 jobs and barely making ends meet. If they aren't doing well, it must be because they didn't budget or plan properly, like you did.
Nice leap. There are plenty sitting around whining just as there are plenty out there working 1,2 and 3 jobs to make ends meet. Where did I say different?
Lawyers have very high rates of substance abuse, depression/suicide,
From my own, very unscientific observation of people in the rooms, the construction trades (carpenters, plumbers, steamfitters, ironworkers, etc)are the most represented category especially in the 40+ age group. Seems drinking on the job was a time honored tradition for sometime. Engineers (EE, ME, CE, etc) seem to be the least represented. Cops and firemen are another large group.
And I am not aying that lawers do not have a high rate of substance abuse/depression/suicide.

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