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O’Reilly told Trump that Putin is a killer. His reply: ‘You think our country is so innocent?’

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. – President Donald Trump has long been effusive in his praise for Russian President Vladimir Putin, despite criticism from Republicans and Democrats alike.

In an interview with Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly, which will air ahead of the Super Bowl on Sunday, Trump doubled down on his “respect” for Putin – even in the face of accusations that Putin and his associates have murdered journalists and dissidents in Russia.

“I do respect him. Well, I respect a lot of people, but that doesn’t mean I’ll get along with them,” Trump told O’Reilly.

O’Reilly pressed on, declaring to the president that “Putin is a killer.”

Unfazed, Trump didn’t back away, but rather compared Putin’s reputation for extrajudicial killings with the United States’.

“There are a lot of killers. We have a lot of killers,” Trump said. “Well, you think our country is so innocent?”


Trump added that he thinks the United States is “better” getting along with Russia than not.

“If Russia helps us in the fight against ISIS, which is a major fight, and Islamic terrorism all around the world, major fight. That’s a good thing,” Trump said. ISIS is another name for the Islamic State.

It wouldn’t be the first time Trump has brushed aside the topic of Putin’s political killings.

In a 2015 interview on “Morning Joe,” Trump was pressed on the same issue and gave a similar answer.

“He kills journalists that don’t agree with him,” the show’s host, Joe Scarborough, pointed out.

“Well, I think that our country does plenty of killing, too, Joe,” Trump said.

As recently as this week, a prominent Putin critic exhibited symptoms of poisoning for the second time since 2015. The incident drew the attention of Republican Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), a staunch Russia critic, who tweeted two newspaper editorials that call for the United States to denounce the incident as an act of political retribution. He called both editorials “a must-read.”
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/02/04/tr ... -fox-news/

It's staggering that an American President would draw this kind of moral equivalence between the United States and Putin's gangster regime, but not at all surprising coming from this President...
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I'm going to be very disappointed in the Congressional Republicans if this latest outrageous comment doesn't bring on a chorus of criticism from their ranks...

(Not just McCain, Graham, and Rubio, who can be counted on to denounce this.)
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"A chorus of criticism" isn't close to enough. What they need to do is follow the law, and hold hearings on the appointment of Steve Bannon to the NSC. Real hearings, that comply with Senate rules, and don't exclude the Democrats. And then they need to take a real vote where they actually exercise judgment and find their spines.

Of course, they should've done the same thing with the Tillerson appointment. But hell, even three Democrats joined them in being spineless on that one.
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Well, Mitch McConnell earns himself a big fat F- for his response:
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said on Sunday that he won't "critique every utterance" of President Donald Trump, even those he disagrees with.

"Are you comfortable with the President of the United States seeming to equate U.S. actions with those of Putin's authoritarian regime?" Jake Tapper asked McConnell on CNN's "State of the Union."

"Putin's a former KGB agent, he's a thug, he was not elected in a way that most people would consider a credible election," McConnell replied. "No, I don't think there is any equivalency between the way the Russians conduct themselves and the way the United States does."

"Does it trouble you that he said this?" Tapper pressed.

"America is different," McConnell said. "I think there is a clear distinction here that all Americans understand, and no, I would not have characterized it that way."

"You said all Americans understand. Are you confident that the President understands it?" Tapper asked.

"Look, Jake, I can speak for myself and I already have about my feelings about Vladimir Putin and the way the Russians operate. I'm not going to critique every utterance of the President," McConnell said.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/m ... p-comments

"Every utterance" Mitch?

This isn't like you were asked to respond to Trump's views on the New York Times, or his opinion of Meryl Streep's acting talent...

This is the POTUS, drawing a moral equivalence between the United States and the regime of an authoritarian thug, our greatest geo-political foe, (a regime that brutally crushes internal dissent, imprisons and murders political opponents, engages in the systematic commission of war crimes in Syria, has invaded and occupied portions of two neighboring countries and out-right annexed the territory of one of them, and attempted to influence a US Presidential election, to name just some of their "activities")

This is an utterly shameful, outrageous and disgraceful thing for a President to say, and you as one of the most powerful leaders of the US Congress have an affirmative obligation to respond directly to it; not try to weasel out of responding with the weak-ass answer you gave.

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Try again...

The good news about this interview, is that it's going to broadcast on the main FOX broadcast channel during the pre-game of the Super Bowl, so it will have a much larger audience then it would have if it had just been broadcast on a cable news show. Many millions of Americans will have the opportunity to see first-hand as their President equates their country to Putin's Russia.

Perhaps the public reaction that comes from that will help to put a little more steel into the spines of the Mitch McConnels...
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“If Russia helps us in the fight against ISIS, which is a major fight, and Islamic terrorism all around the world, major fight.  That’s a good thing,” Trump said.
In other words, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

It's that sort of thinking during WWII that put us in bed with Joe Stalin, resulting in a divided Germany and the Cold War, too.
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Mitch McConnell never had steel and never will. He's a useless, boot-licking, hypocritical glob of protoplasm. And as obsessed with power as the King Trumpanzee. He is the last one I would expect to stand up to the regime.
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In other words, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Personally I don't have a problem with that concept, however this idea that Russia has any inclination to fight ISIS is a complete fantasy.

Lord Dampnut first advanced this fairy tale during the campaign, and bizarrely keeps repeating it even though he's been getting intelligence briefings where presumably he's been informed repeatedly that this is not the case...

Putin has been using his military in Syria to prop up Assad, primarily by attacking pro western rebel forces that we support, waging a war of terror on unarmed civilians, and targeting hospitals and aide convoys. He has done almost nothing against ISIS or any of the other Islamist militant groups operating in Syria.
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I'm sorry to say this LJ, but I'm not sure there are enough voices of integrity in your party anymore to stand up to this joke of a president.

And for the record, I hope with all my heart that I'm wrong.
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90% of republican voters, voted for T-rump. Nearly all of the GOP-controlled congress and senate support T-rump.

T-rump got the nomination by going to Republican groups and trying out different ideas, and the ideas which got positive reactions he kept, the ideas which didn't he shed.

T-rump a a creation borne out of Republican ideas, culture, and society. He won because he was the most LIKE the Republican base of all contenders.

He is uber-GOP. His uniform reaction to anything which disagrees or blocks him is to threaten, bluster, lie and demean just like he has done to a Judiciary nominated by GW Bush. Where did he learn that? That's the GOP playbook. That is what they have done for 8 years and now that they are having to back up their lies about Obamacare, free trade, and climate change (&c) they are having a tiny little crisis.

If the Democrats are smart they will make sure that everything he does has the GOP brand on it. They failed to make the GOP take the blame for the worst economic disaster in 80 years (with a GOP House , Senate, WH, and SC majority) and they cannot afford NOT to do so this time.

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Say rube...

Speaking of "backing up their lies"...

How are you coming with this:
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Berkeley Republicans endorsed Yiannopulous (SP?) The national organization endorsed Trump. Quite the record they have going there.


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Lord Jim wrote:Wow rube, that's quite a bit of news...

Do you have a link to where either the Berkeley CRs or the National CR organization "endorsed" Yiannopoulos?

Or are you just lying your ignorant, dishonest, smearing ass off again?

I'm going with Door # 2....
I couldn't help but notice that you failed to respond; I'm sure it was just an oversight on your part...
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In the popular imagination, American GIs in postwar Germany were well-liked and well-behaved. But a new book claims that US soldiers raped up to 190,000 women at the end of World War II. Is there any truth to the controversial claim?


I think so, because it is human to hate the enemy and not care what happens to them. It is not humane or noble or honorable but it is the way it is. I myself try to guard against it and I hope I would do it, but I am sure it did happen.
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I doubt that liberty.

my understanding is that prostitution became common among german women.

they were desperate.

a pack of lucky strikes or a Hershey bar went a long way.....

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Lord Jim wrote:Say rube...

Speaking of "backing up their lies"...

How are you coming with this:
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Berkeley Republicans endorsed Yiannopulous (SP?) The national organization endorsed Trump. Quite the record they have going there.


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Lord Jim wrote:Wow rube, that's quite a bit of news...

Do you have a link to where either the Berkeley CRs or the National CR organization "endorsed" Yiannopoulos?

Or are you just lying your ignorant, dishonest, smearing ass off again?

I'm going with Door # 2....
I couldn't help but notice that you failed to respond; I'm sure it was just an oversight on your part...

UC Berkeley Republicans invited Yiannopopouos to speak. That is an endorsement .


Your national party nominated Trump for president and licked his ass. That is an endorsement too.

Grow up and live in the real world.

The US GOP are butt lickers of history. We have weeks of Washington as "crazytown" bet even the pretend mavericks suck ass and vote for T-rump nominees.

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The new Atty General lied his head off and said that there was a huge increase in crime.

You sucked his dick and accepted the lie.

In fact, we have the lowest rate of violent crime in > 50 years.

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GOP, party of lies.

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And even as violent crime rate has continued to go down, prisons have become a growth industry.

as Matt Taibbi pointed out in his book 'Divide', we have three interesting data points over the last 25 years:

violent crime has steadily declined
rate of poverty has steadily gone up
prison population has doubled.

only a great mind like president Trump can explain this as due to the flood of bad guy immigrants and American industry chasing cheap labor off shore.

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UC Berkeley Republicans invited Yiannopopouos to speak. That is an endorsement .
Uhh, no it isn't...

But then I wouldn't expect a person who doesn't know the meaning of a word as common as "wealth" to know the meaning of the word "endorsement" either...

Liberty University invited Bernie Sanders to speak...

Does that mean that Liberty University endorsed Bernie Sanders? :loon



While Trump lied when he said the murder rate was "the highest in 47 years" this statement of yours:
In fact, we have the lowest rate of violent crime in > 50 years.
is also, well, a lie (or maybe you just haven't bothered to check the most recent facts before shooting off your mouth, like when you made your false claims about security on high speed rail in Europe):
Violent crime increased in many of the nation’s largest cities in 2016, the second year in a row that metro areas saw jumps in homicide, robbery and aggravated assault.
http://time.com/4651122/homicides-increase-cities-2016/

The highly disputable thing that Sessions said is that this increase the past two years represents a "permanent trend" ...

It's highly disputable (I would certainly dispute it) because the overall trend for the past two decades (despite the uptick the past two years) has been downward, but since it's an opinion about something that hasn't happened yet, it really can't be called a "lie"...(unlike claiming that violent crime rates today are the lowest they've ever been, for example)


You sucked his dick and accepted the lie.
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Mike Flynn was talking to Russia during Trump's campaign, intelligence community is confirming?

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I was planning to post about this...

Most of the focus has been on Flynn lying regarding talking about sanctions in conversations with the Russian ambassador to the US during the transition (which was a pretty stupid thing to do, since we of course bug the Russian ambassador's phone; something Flynn surely must have known...He was Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency fercrissakes... :roll: ) but these contacts during the campaign are far worse:

Despite Denials, Russians Were in Contact with Trump Campaign

News stories and headlines overnight are focused on the revelation that Michael Flynn discussed sanctions with Russia’s Ambassador in December phone calls, which flatly contradicts what Vice President Pence, White House Spokesman Sean Spicer, and Flynn himself had previously publicly asserted.

The story, broken by Greg Miller, Adam Entous and Ellen Nakashima at The Washington Post, contains a potentially even more explosive revelation: Russian contacts with Donald Trump’s inner circle during the presidential campaign, an allegation that the Trump administration has also previously categorically denied.

I. Implications

Why would the pre-election contacts be the more significant story? The reason is, as many commentators suggest, if such contact related to Russia’s cyber campaign to help elect Trump and destabilize a potential Clinton presidency, it could raise more serious allegations, even including treason.

Compare that implication to the potential legal violation of Flynn’s speaking with the Russian ambassador after the election. As Steve Vladeck wrote at Just Security, the law prohibiting private citizens’ engaging in diplomacy—the Logan Act—may not apply to an incoming president-elect’s transition team.

Sometimes the cover up is worse than the crime. On all these counts, administration and former campaign associates may need to consider the False Statements Crime, that is, if they spoke directly with investigators who have been handling these cases. (On the status of current investigations, I recommend Susan Hennessey’s discussion over at Lawfare.)

II. Denials

Since the election, the Trump team, including the president himself, have categorically denied any contact with Russian officials during the campaign.

Kate Brannen has a more comprehensive list of these denials in a chart published at Just Security. Perhaps the most significant and curious instance involved Mr. Trump at his first press conference after the election.

The press conference happened to be scheduled the day after Buzzfeed released the dossier containing unsubstantiated claims of Russian contacts with the Trump campaign. During the press conference, two reporters tried to ask the president-elect the question about any such contacts. From Kate Brannen’s handy chart, here is the synopsis:
Trump did not answer this direct question during the press conference. The reporter who asked attached to it a question about Russian hacking, which Trump focused on in his lengthy response, allowing him to avoid the first part of the question about contacts with Russia leading up to the election. The press conference was then adjourned.

When CNN’s Jim Acosta tried to ask the question earlier, Trump yelled at him, “Your organization is terrible.… You are fake news,” and refused to take a question from him.

After the press conference, reporters followed Trump to the elevators in Trump Tower, and Trump told them: No, no one on his team had any contact with the Russians (see also here).
A few days later, Vice President Pence also gave an unusual answer to the question, at first avoiding it and then qualifying his response by referring to when he first joined the campaign. Again from Brennan’s chart:
Fox News’s Chris Wallace asked Pence that same day, “Was there any contact in any way between Trump or his associates and the Kremlin or cutouts they had?”

Pence’s answer: “I joined this campaign in the summer, and I can tell you that all the contact by the Trump campaign and associates was with the American people. We were fully engaged with taking his message to make America great again all across this country. That’s why he won in a landslide election.”

Wallace followed up, “if there were any contacts, sir, I’m just trying to get an answer.”

Pence: “Of course not. Why would there be any contacts between the campaign?”
III. The New Revelations

Last night’s Washington Post story itself is primarily focused on Flynn’s December phone calls. Nonetheless, the Post also states, in passing: “The talks were part of a series of contacts between Flynn and [Ambassador] Kislyak that began before the November 8 election and continued during the transition, officials said.”

The Post notes that Vice President Pence made two assertions—one dealing with the December calls and the other “a more sweeping assertion, saying there had been no contact between members of Trump’s team and Russia during the campaign.” The Post then writes:
Neither of those assertions is consistent with the fuller account of Flynn’s contacts with Kislyak provided by officials who had access to reports from U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies that routinely monitor the communications of Russian diplomats. Nine current and former officials, who were in senior positions at multiple agencies at the time of the calls, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.
The Post also writes that the Russian ambassador recently remarked on contacts prior to the election: “Kislyak said that he had been in contact with Flynn since before the election, but declined to answer questions about the subjects they discussed.”
http://www.newsweek.com/despite-denials ... ign-555081
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I did find this part particularly hilarious:
Flynn on Wednesday denied that he had discussed sanctions with Kislyak. Asked in an interview whether he had ever done so, he twice said, “No.”

On Thursday, Flynn, through his spokesman, backed away from the denial. The spokesman said Flynn “indicated that while he had no recollection of discussing sanctions, he couldn’t be certain that the topic never came up.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... 069c1264d9

So, the incoming national security advisor vividly remembers wishing the Russian Ambassador a Merry Christmas, but he can't recall whether or not the single most important issue between the United States and Russia even came up in their conversation...

Gee, Flynn should be fired just for having a really, really poor memory...
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Flynn?

adios.

good riddance.

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