Who sez the GOP doesn't like crazies?

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Re: Who sez the GOP doesn't like crazies?

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rubato wrote:Adam Lanza was armed and trained by his mother.


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And what laws already on the books at the time would have prevented this?

Moms bought the guns to give the messed-up kid something to do.

Moms used very poor judgment.

She paid with her life as did the poor children at Sandy Hook.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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Did you have a point? That is what I said already.

She paid with her life, and their lives too.


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My point is that the laws already in place would have done nothing to prevent this tragedy. :(

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I am a long-time member of the NRA, I recently got a phone call from a nice-sounding female voice that thanked me for my long-time support and told me that Wayne Lapeer asked her to call experienced members like me for their views about the future direction of the organization. The first question was: "Do you think the NRA should work more aggressively to restore our gun rights that have been taken from us?"

I responded: "Just what rights have been taken from us?" There was just silence in my ear as the call was disconnected.

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Did you have a point? That is what I said already.
Actually, that wasn't at all what you already said...

One of the most amusing features of rube's writing is that not only doesn't he understand what other people have written, he frequently doesn't understand what he himself wrote... :D
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Burning Petard wrote:I am a long-time member of the NRA, I recently got a phone call from a nice-sounding female voice that thanked me for my long-time support and told me that Wayne Lapeer asked her to call experienced members like me for their views about the future direction of the organization. The first question was: "Do you think the NRA should work more aggressively to restore our gun rights that have been taken from us?"

I responded: "Just what rights have been taken from us?" There was just silence in my ear as the call was disconnected.

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"Just what rights have been taken from us?"
Move to NY state and see what gun rights we don't have.

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Or California, or Jersey.
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oldr_n_wsr wrote:
"Just what rights have been taken from us?"
Move to NY state and see what gun rights we don't have.

For ,,, example?


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For ,,, example?


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In CA, no extended round magazines for one.

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oldr_n_wsr wrote:
"Just what rights have been taken from us?"
Move to NY state and see what gun rights we don't have.
what gun rights do you not have?

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Jarlaxle wrote:Or California, or Jersey.

well I have a friend in NJ who owns an arsenal of guns (handguns, rifles, and shot guns) that would rival many others in other states. He frequently goes to the range to fire them and has competed in many tournaments as well. Not sure what "rights" he lacks.

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dales wrote:
For ,,, example?


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In CA, no extended round magazines for one.

He is in NY first of all and losing extended capacity magazines is a right? Or merely something people want?

The limits on what you can legally buy and own are pretty scant.



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Perhaps the strict constructionists should explain why the 2nd Amendment should apply to any weapon/ammunition that did not exist in the 1790s, and which therefore could not possibly have been intended by those who enacted it to be covered by it.
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Are there any strict constructionists?
Justice Antonin Scalia delivered the following remarks at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington, D.C., on March 14, 2005.

JUSTICE SCALIA: * * *
I am one of a small number of judges, small number of anybody — judges, professors, lawyers — who are known as originalists. Our manner of interpreting the Constitution is to begin with the text, and to give that text the meaning that it bore when it was adopted by the people. I’m not a “strict constructionist,” despite the introduction. I don’t like the term “strict construction.” I do not think the Constitution, or any text should be interpreted either strictly or sloppily; it should be interpreted reasonably. Many of my interpretations do not deserve the description “strict.” I do believe, however, that you give the text the meaning it had when it was adopted.
* * *

Although it is a minority view now, the reality is that, not very long ago, originalism was orthodoxy. Everybody, at least purported to be an originalist. If you go back and read the commentaries on the Constitution by Joseph Story, he didn’t think the Constitution evolved or changed. He said it means and will always mean what it meant when it was adopted.

Or consider the opinions of John Marshall in the Federal Bank case, where he says, we must not, we must always remember it is a constitution we are expounding. And since it’s a constitution, he says, you have to give its provisions expansive meaning so that they will accommodate events that you do not know of which will happen in the future.

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All of which says jack shit about gun rights protecting 30-round magazines of smokeless powder filled shells, and semi-auto pistols when the constitution was written in an era of muzzle-loading single shot black powder muskets.

And as it turns out you can buy black powder revolvers and rifles over the internet in all 50 states. So much for restrictions.



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I might give these guys a try.........https://www.ghostguns.com/

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Scooter wrote:Perhaps the strict constructionists should explain why the 2nd Amendment should apply to any weapon/ammunition that did not exist in the 1790s, and which therefore could not possibly have been intended by those who enacted it to be covered by it.
The same reason the first amendment should apply to any means of communication tbat did not exist in the 1790s, and which therefore could not possibly have been intenxed by those who enactex it to be covered by it.
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Well Scooter, first of all, because of the 9th and 10th Amendment. And because the other amendments apply to technologies that did not exist in 1798, such as the need for a court order to wire-tap a telephone. And by the way, a non-governmental entity or private individual cannot own many particular armaments that did exist in 1790.

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Jarlaxle wrote:The same reason the first amendment should apply to any means of communication tbat did not exist in the 1790s, and which therefore could not possibly have been intenxed by those who enactex it to be covered by it.
You are confusing speech with the means used to deliver it to its audience. "Speech" today remains pretty much what it was in the 1790s - spoken and written language, art, music, symbols, silence even, whatever form will convey that which we want to express. All that modern communication does is allow it to reach many more people, much faster and much cheaper.

To reverse your analogy back to the 2nd Amendment, there are modern manufacturing techniques that could mass produce 1790s era weapons, and transportation networks that can get them to a worldwide market literally overnight if desired. It's still the same gun, regardless of how much easier and cheaper it is to make it, and how many more people can buy it. If I had said that the 2nd Amendment should only apply to guns individually forged and finished by hand, and transported from manufacturer to purchaser using a horse and buggy, then your analogy might have worked.
Burning Petard wrote:Well Scooter, first of all, because of the 9th and 10th Amendment.
8th Amendment - excessive fines and cruel/unusual punishment - no relevance. A 9th Amendment argument would say, what, that there is a right to keep up with advances in technology?
And because the other amendments apply to technologies that did not exist in 1798, such as the need for a court order to wire-tap a telephone.
Wiretaps were deemed to require a warrant because they provide a means for law enforcement to get around the 4th Amendment protections that apply within the confines of our homes. Before the invention of the telephone, the conversation in question might well have taken place through letters, as people had been doing for hundreds of years before the Constitution. Whether intercepted at the post office or taken from a home, reading someone's mail requires a warrant. That should not change because the conversation travels over a wire instead of in a mail carrier's bag.
And by the way, a non-governmental entity or private individual cannot own many particular armaments that did exist in 1790.
And never could own some of them, I would guess, which supports the contention that the Founders never intended that people should be able to own the most powerful weapons that technology can produce. They had the common sense to recognize that protecting the right to own pistols and muskets did imply a right to own a cannon.

I have to wonder, when guns of the era could fire only one round per minute, what the Founders would have thought of civilians being able to legally own a weapon that can fire 600 RPM.

And Long Run, strict constructionists...originalists...tomAYto...tomAHto...it is an approach to constitutional interpretation that they follow when it suits them and jettison when it doesn't
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